kaila
join:2000-10-11
Lincolnshire, IL
clubs: 
| Alright.........
Then charge us fairly for it. Many months ago it was reported that my old RoadRunner's bandwidth costs broke down to a nickel a gig, and that included routing and pipe charges. A dime, or even 20 cents per gig charged to the customer would seem fair ($10~20 per 100gig monthly).
I imagine that BT or whatever UK ISP is pushing this have similar bandwidth costs. If they don't, then then they should get out of the internet business now. It is a flawed business model destined for failure. |
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macmouse
Premium
join:2002-05-30
Saratoga, CA
| Thats right. Although its fun getting a free-ride, it really is the way it should be.
It will *only* work however when the prices are reasonable (as you have said). If done properly - this could be a big boom for broadband! Think about it -Now Granny can surf the net and only pay 10 bucks (or less) for broadband instead of $20+ whatever for dial-up. She has very limited usage, so she should pay "next to nothing" which would then be in direct competition with dial-up...
The only problem is, of course, they will *want* to charge ridiculous rates.
I recall seeing some over-charge limits in the past at like $10+ a gig! Thats highway robbery! I can get web hosting at $1 an gig transfer, which is on an fully redundant network with server clusters! If you pay for an monthly package, you can get even less...
I'd would also of course expect the quality to increase significantly. There certainly would be motivation for the ISP's to allow everyone to get top (throughput) speeds, instead of now where "you should be happy to get 1MB from an 1.5 line). Heck - They should be motivated to just remove caps entirely! Download at 10MB a sec and upload 1MB!
Now you can get the speed you want, when you need it, without paying through the noose for an fat pipe. Certainly would be nice to download the new linux ISO's. The speed is needed/wanted, but only for an short period of time.
Also, they would also have no reason to remove the "no servers" restriction, because we're paying for it!
They can still have an higher "price" on uploading.
Using your numbers.. 5 cents for download/gig and 20 cents for upload. I can live with that  .
Now "bandwidth hogs" will be treasured customers to please, not an scourge to be irradiated.
Once again though - this will *only* work if things are pricing is fair. If it is, then everything could come out as a whole lot better. |
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joebear29
join:2003-07-20
Alabaster, AL
| said by macmouse  :
Thats right. Although its fun getting a free-ride, it really is the way it should be.
It will *only* work however when the prices are reasonable (as you have said). If done properly - this could be a big boom for broadband! Think about it -Now Granny can surf the net and only pay 10 bucks (or less) for broadband instead of $20+ whatever for dial-up. She has very limited usage, so she should pay "next to nothing" which would then be in direct competition with dial-up...
I think you are forgetting about the fixed cost. What they are, I dunno, but I suspect they are signifigant. |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
 ·PHONE POWER
 ·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T CallVantage
·Time Warner VOIP
 ·RoadRunner Cable
|  reply to kaila
I agree 100%. I'm not opposed to paying per GB, but the prices and limits they come up with because they looked at what ""80% of the average surfers" do is gouging to more advanced users that probably recommended the service in the first place. Usenet providers are basically in the raw bandwidth business. If they can offer me 10GB of data/month for $9 and make a profit, why not my ISP?
Also, if they charge per GB, the base rate needs to come down. My mother who maybe transfers 1GB/month on her account should not have to pay $45.95 if they're going to be charging me extra because I used 50GB/month. The fair thing to do would be to reduce her price to say $30/month and charge me $30 + $1/gig over 20, or something like that.
I love all you can eat service. Don't get me wrong, but it's clear that a lot people don't understand why it's necessary to conserve and make efficient use of their connections. I'm tired of "paying" the price for abusers in the form of lower speed caps and restrictions on perfectly valid uses of my home connection. Charging people based on usage is the only thing that everyone will understand.
-- Rob |
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sherpaboy
join:2001-07-06
Seattle, WA
| reply to macmouse
I was at the secret ISP price gouging meeting last night, and we all came to agreement to keep our overage charging at the MAX! By colluding, we will be able to maximize our profits, squelch the growth of the internet, and alienate our client base.
I can't believe nobody thought of this collusion thingy before. We're brilliant! He He He He He..... |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| reply to macmouse
said by macmouse :
It will *only* work however when the prices are reasonable (as you have said).
exactly. And from what I have read, none of the big players that are thinking of this are thinking fairly. They will mildly rip off the low level users and ream the heavy users.
They could give a crap about fair, they are only thinking of how to get more money out of everybody. |
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sherpaboy
join:2001-07-06
Seattle, WA | Please define fair in the business world.
Would that be defined as setting your price so low that your shareholders who have your stock in their IRA get reamed when your company goes bankrupt? |
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SaBo7Ge
join:2003-03-12
US
| reply to sherpaboy
said by sherpaboy :
I was at the secret ISP price gouging meeting last night, and we all came to agreement to keep our overage charging at the MAX! By colluding, we will be able to maximize our profits, squelch the growth of the internet, and alienate our client base.
I can't believe nobody thought of this collusion thingy before. We're brilliant! He He He He He.....
said by SaBo7Ge :
I read all this posting about users who can d/l 60gigs for $45/mo and laugh hysterically.. If there's any injustice taking place right now it's in Anchorage,Alaska (the largest urban population base in the state) where GCI has a stranglehold on highspeed internet as the only Cable ISP..
»www.gci.com/promos/hypernet/hype···yhn6.htm
You think you've got it bad read below
384/64K with 5 GB of data transfer per month.
Connect unlimited computers to the same modem.
Connect up to 8 computers to the same modem.
Unlimited 24-hour/7-days-a-week live technical support.
GCI cable modem.
5MB Personal web space.
$39.99 a month with GCI Long Distance
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$54.99/month
Silver Plus 1.0M/128K with 10 gigabytes of throughput per month
$64.99/month
Gold 1.5M/128K with 20 gigabytes of throughput per month
$99.99/month
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$114.99/month
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$164.99/month
I'd love for another cable company to set up shop and compete up here because unfortunately ACS isn't really expanding they're DSL service so that people can get fast speeds... It's ashame most of you don't really know what broadband hell is until you live someplace like Anchorage, Alaska
I think some of the GCI execs must have been present at that meeting too...  |
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