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Hopefully on to the US Supreme Court eventually.
Yep, great news. Now, the wait begins for another district court to decide in an opposite manner. Only by going to the Supremes will we be able to get a definitive conclusion to this.
Should be VERY interesting.
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Sarick
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| Lets just hope they don't that is all we need. A way to augment service fees on devices we don't even own. If these telcos get their way they will own rights to the TCP/IP protocol and a tax will be placed on a protocol.
The government has already decided not to tax the internet, the next step is to tax the protocols or something along that terms.
Internet Infrastructure Tax Incentive!
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mjcrocket
Mjc
join:2000-12-02
Abingdon, MD
| Better read Vonage's own words on this topic from their Terms of Service document:
»www.vonage.com/features_terms_service.php
4.5 Taxes
Customer is responsible for, and shall pay any applicable federal, state, municipal, local or other governmental sales, use, excise, value-added, personal property, public utility or other taxes, fees or charges now in force or enacted in the future, that arise from or as a result of Customer’s subscription or use or payment for the Service or a Device. Such amounts are in addition to payment for the Service or Devices and will be billed to your account. If Customer is exempt from payment of such taxes, it will provide Vonage with an original government-issued certificate attesting to tax-exempt status. Tax exemption will only apply from and after the date Vonage receives the Tax Exempt Document.
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Sarick
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|  Although this isn't vonage, I bought the device under the terms that it would always be free. My device still is free but if it by chance fails in the near future a replacement for the device would force me into the 510 model.
If push comes to shove I'll cancel the dish service. It's quite obvious that the new busyness model is a representation of the company that provides the dish service.
True to nature Sales taxes and federal taxes are a far cry from the device fees placed on the DVR system. Charlie comments on every showing how he believes in fairness and wants help from the viewers in regard to the satellite tax. Yet when given the opportunity to cash out on a hardware feature this busyness model has been made to profit off the consumer in the same manner.
The only difference with this model is state and federal taxes aren't directly pocketed into dish networks profits.
I used the term TAXES do to it's evil history you say fees and people don't give notice. On the other hand if you say taxes everyone has a grudge or interest. It's psychological targeting. My other reasonings for giving them the term taxes is based on Charlie's promoting fairness. His monthly broadcast of Charlie chat promotes cable companies lobbing to force an unfair tax on his consumers.
His busyness is investing a lot of cash to get consumers to support his anti-tax efforts. On the other side of the fence dish is doing the same to it's consumers.
I refuse to believe in his intentions to help the consumers subscription prices go down. On one hand he has the consumers interest and on the other are penny pinching ethics. Hasn't he thought this out? If the taxes he so opposes will upset so many people what makes him think this $5-$10 per month service fee won't make them upset just as equally.
Now that the PVR-DVR market has become saturated with mainstream service fees where is one to go. Dish could have used this to their advantage in a good way. Instead it was decided that taking money from the wallets of hard working consumers for a hardware feature is more profitable than getting more consumers. It's an odd approach because the feature is already free by design.
It all comes down to the choice to abuse the consumer vs entice the customer by bettering the service. This model is clearly not in the interest of the average dish consumer. The cost of this service is clearly out there costing upward of $120 a year. It's obvious that it's also being used as selling point for higher superscription level purchases.
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