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ronpin
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reply to woody7
Re: Ignorance is bliss........

Why turn to government for a solution??? America is custom made-to-order for any enterprising soul to step up to the plate and offer some real competition.
Oh sure, you'll need to do some technology homework and create a believable business plan to get private funding. But then you get to reap the rewards....or maybe just hope that big-brother does it for you???


pnh102
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said by ronpin See Profile:
Why turn to government for a solution???
It's pretty sick how over the past 70 years more and more Americans feel perfectly comfortable with the government providing the "solutions" to all their problems, instead of taking it upon themselves to solve the problems on their own.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Don't like your cable service? Then cancel it. No one ever died without cable TV. Get a bunch of your fellow disgruntled ex-cable-subscribers, pool your cash and get investors and start your own cable company. Or switch to satellite. You a residential subscriber that doesn't like your phone service? Cancel that as well, there are quite a few cellular phone companies who would be more than happy to take your business. Can't get high speed internet access? There's already plenty of people who want that but cannot get it. Why wait for a solution that will never come when you can all band together and start your own ISP?
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JTRockville
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I think of munis as turning to the community, rather than the government.

When it comes to infrastructure, I strongly feel it shouldn't be left to those who can make the most profit.

Why should we be forced to choose between funding 7 digit salaries, or doing without?


zabes63

join:2003-04-05
Batavia, IL

reply to pnh102
Ya make allot of good points and suggestions. Most of which I already have implemented on a personal basis.

But for me the push for the Muni project wasn't about fast Kazaa, porno and gaming.

It was about making our area more attractive to high tech businesses than say... India, Mexico, Canada.....

It was about jobs. Something sorely lacking these days.
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oliphant5
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reply to ronpin
said by ronpin See Profile:
Why turn to government for a solution???
Because these particular businesses have shown a long history of market manipulation and anti-competitive practices all at the cost of the consumer.
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vic102482
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reply to JTRockville
said by JTRockville See Profile:
I think of munis as turning to the community, rather than the government.

When it comes to infrastructure, I strongly feel it shouldn't be left to those who can make the most profit.

Why should we be forced to choose between funding 7 digit salaries, or doing without?
Agreed, also why cant internet access be a community service? You have community and private ice rings community and private stores community and private gyms etc.
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BosstonesOwn

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reply to zabes63
amen..... in this day and age the companies care about the bottom lines only and are greedy as all hell. This is what the people who voted it down deserve to be a$$ raped by the local telco's and cable co's.... Sweet Redemption ... Welcome to the real world the communities need to band together and get it done or get @$$ raped .... Very simple.
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BosstonesOwn

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said by ronpin See Profile:
Why turn to government for a solution??? America is custom made-to-order for any enterprising soul to step up to the plate and offer some real competition.
Oh sure, you'll need to do some technology homework and create a believable business plan to get private funding. But then you get to reap the rewards....or maybe just hope that big-brother does it for you???
they are not turning toward goverment for an improvement they are turning toward thier community as a whole. If you realized not a tax dollar is used except for studies you would see that it's paid just like a grant for an institute. Or better yet via bonds after the company pays off the bonds it goes into profit and then the prices fall even lower..

Man am I glad that they turned over and f*cked the cities after the schills believed the crap that telco's and cable co's spewed.

Hmmm How's the song go "I hate to say i Told you sooooooo"
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said by ronpin See Profile:
Why turn to government for a solution??? America is custom made-to-order for any enterprising soul to step up to the plate and offer some real competition.
Oh sure, you'll need to do some technology homework and create a believable business plan to get private funding. But then you get to reap the rewards....or maybe just hope that big-brother does it for you???
If the private sector read (cable/telcos) can't/ won't deliver the service is it wrong for the municipal govt. to step in to offer an alternative?

amdace
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said by pnh102 See Profile:
...(clipped for brevity)...instead of taking it upon themselves to solve the problems on their own.

Isn't that exactly what a community would be doing by building a project like this?


ronpin
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said by vic102482 See Profile:
said by JTRockville See Profile:
I think of munis as turning to the community, rather than the government.
That's just word-play to draw a distinction between community and government -- I mean you want to hold a referendum (vote/election) to pass bond issues which are guaranteed by taxpayers. I'd call that "government". If you really need to resort to word-play what does that say about your argument?

TACSPEED
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reply to ronpin
quote:
America is custom made-to-order for any enterprising soul to step up to the plate and offer some real competition.
This might work for areas were all the stars are aligned and the fruit is hanging low. Although from your postings in the fiber forum, it doesn't appear that you have gotten off the ground yet, and you seem to have some serious concerns.

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The low-end market is kinda scary - an older couple called me to ask about the flyer -- and wound-up telling me they thought their [newer] home was already "wired for fiber". Heh-heh, yeah right. Someone else told me they were positive that Verizon was about to run fiber to them -- heh-heh.

Bottom-line I'm afraid the low-end is too...out-of-touch? (shall we say) to even grasp what 1/1mbs FTTH means or what its really worth (oh, I know slow FTTH is a misnomer -- but the price still beats everything else out there except Juno and the-like).
Anyhow, I think your on the right track. I hope there is opportunity for entrepreneurs like yourself. Whether it's a total private concept such as yours or a partnership with a municipal.

Let my also say there is room for the municipal concept too, such as Grant County, and Chelan County PUDs, since not every area is going to have all the stars aligned in the right position with the fruit hanging low.

Finally, it is becoming painfully obvious that FTTH will not be coming anytime soon from the major cable companies or the baby Bells.
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[text was edited by author 2003-10-31 15:03:24]


batageek
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reply to ronpin
How about this.....

Municipal broadband is an opportunity to provide another level of service to its citizenry, just as they do with water, sewer, streets, and in some cases, electric, gas & trash collection.

If the entire community benefits, either directly (via services provided) or indirectly (increased economic opportunities for the city to attract businesses or provide advanced emergency services, etc..), how is this a problem?

This is not some government handout, but instead, a local government taking a proactive stance to securing their own destiny. The people I've elected are looking out for my needs (whether or not you think they are essential). They are doing the job I've asked them to do....to represent me.

Go munis!
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JTRockville
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reply to ronpin
I'm not trying to play word games. I live in a region where a lots of people work for "the government", so perhaps it's easier for me to think of "the government" as being of, by, and for the people.

Many municipal systems have proven very beneficial to the people.

said by Jim Baller, municipal broadband attorney
Broadband Resports: Interview
written by Karl Bode
May 21, 2003:

Let's take a closer look. One of the systems studied was the municipal cable system of Glasgow, KY. The residents of Glasgow love their system because it has given them low-cost, high-quality cable service, and, since the mid-1990s, bargain-basement access to the Internet at 4 Mbps. Yet, according to cable industry, the Glasgow system should be considered a failure because it has never made a profit. It is quite true that Glasgow has never shown a profit, but that is because it sets its rates at the lowest possible level that will enable it to recover its costs. This policy has saved the citizens of Glasgow more than $30 million over the relevant period. For a town of 14,000 in rural Kentucky, that's not a failure -- its a grand success.

Another system included in the Denver study was the municipal communications utility of Cedar Falls, IA. To their credit, the professors acknowledged in their report that the system had not been operating long enough to generate any meaningful data. Since then, the Cedar Falls system has been a rousing success, particularly when compared to its next-door neighbor, Waterloo, IA, which shied away from establishing a communications utility of its own. The two cities are comparable in every way except that Cedar Falls has a municipal communications system and Waterloo does not. The result -- economic development in Cedar Falls has surged since the system was completed, even in the face of the economic downturn, while Waterloo's economy has languished. Hardly the profile of a failed system.
That's what happens when "big-brother does it". To that, I say...

Bring it, bro!!!!


oliphant5
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said by JTRockville See Profile:
..."the government" as being of, by, and for the people.

LOL! To me the government is just the most corrupt entity out there bar none...but when it comes to getting screwed, I'd rather risk getting screwed by muni broadband than know I'll be screwed by a telco or cable company.
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JTRockville
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  I never said all "the people" are above corruption.

But I agree: it seems to me, when done by a muni, vaseline is used.


pnh102
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said by BosstonesOwn See Profile:
amen..... in this day and age the companies care about the bottom lines only and are greedy as all hell.
Since when have companies not been focused on the bottom line and/or not been driven by greed?
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JTRockville
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That's precisely why munis are better for the community - their purpose is to provide a service. As you point out, the purpose of any company, is profit.


oliphant5
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reply to pnh102
It's not a matter of driven by greed as much as the willingness to violate anti-trust laws or other regulations, but just purchase laws that will permit and unprecedented level of greed and corruption.
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[text was edited by author 2003-10-31 16:42:06]


misiek

join:2000-12-25
Round Lake, IL

reply to batageek
said by batageek See Profile:
How about this.....

Municipal broadband is an opportunity to provide another level of service to its citizenry, just as they do with water, sewer, streets, and in some cases, electric, gas & trash collection.


Exactly.
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