  pnh102 Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty Premium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD
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| reply to ronpin Re: Ignorance is bliss........
said by ronpin : Why turn to government for a solution???
It's pretty sick how over the past 70 years more and more Americans feel perfectly comfortable with the government providing the "solutions" to all their problems, instead of taking it upon themselves to solve the problems on their own.
I've said it before, I'll say it again. Don't like your cable service? Then cancel it. No one ever died without cable TV. Get a bunch of your fellow disgruntled ex-cable-subscribers, pool your cash and get investors and start your own cable company. Or switch to satellite. You a residential subscriber that doesn't like your phone service? Cancel that as well, there are quite a few cellular phone companies who would be more than happy to take your business. Can't get high speed internet access? There's already plenty of people who want that but cannot get it. Why wait for a solution that will never come when you can all band together and start your own ISP? -- The tobacco industry is more respectable than the telemarketing industry. |
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  JTRockville Data Ho Premium,MVM join:2002-01-28 Rockville, MD clubs:
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| I think of munis as turning to the community, rather than the government.
When it comes to infrastructure, I strongly feel it shouldn't be left to those who can make the most profit.
Why should we be forced to choose between funding 7 digit salaries, or doing without? |
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  zabes63
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| reply to pnh102 Ya make allot of good points and suggestions. Most of which I already have implemented on a personal basis.
But for me the push for the Muni project wasn't about fast Kazaa, porno and gaming.
It was about making our area more attractive to high tech businesses than say... India, Mexico, Canada.....
It was about jobs. Something sorely lacking these days. -- A Jobless recovery is not a recovery at all!! | Tri-City Broadband |
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| reply to JTRockville said by JTRockville : I think of munis as turning to the community, rather than the government.
When it comes to infrastructure, I strongly feel it shouldn't be left to those who can make the most profit.
Why should we be forced to choose between funding 7 digit salaries, or doing without?
Agreed, also why cant internet access be a community service? You have community and private ice rings community and private stores community and private gyms etc. -- I tie a rope around my penis and jump from a tree, don't you wanna grow up to be just like me!!!! |
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| reply to zabes63 amen..... in this day and age the companies care about the bottom lines only and are greedy as all hell. This is what the people who voted it down deserve to be a$$ raped by the local telco's and cable co's.... Sweet Redemption ... Welcome to the real world the communities need to band together and get it done or get @$$ raped .... Very simple. -- This package does not contain a winner... |
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| reply to pnh102 said by pnh102 : ...(clipped for brevity)...instead of taking it upon themselves to solve the problems on their own.
Isn't that exactly what a community would be doing by building a project like this? |
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  ronpin Imagine Reality
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| reply to vic102482 said by vic102482 : said by JTRockville : I think of munis as turning to the community, rather than the government.
That's just word-play to draw a distinction between community and government -- I mean you want to hold a referendum (vote/election) to pass bond issues which are guaranteed by taxpayers. I'd call that "government". If you really need to resort to word-play what does that say about your argument? |
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  batageek Slave To The Duopoly Premium join:2003-01-25
| How about this.....
Municipal broadband is an opportunity to provide another level of service to its citizenry, just as they do with water, sewer, streets, and in some cases, electric, gas & trash collection.
If the entire community benefits, either directly (via services provided) or indirectly (increased economic opportunities for the city to attract businesses or provide advanced emergency services, etc..), how is this a problem?
This is not some government handout, but instead, a local government taking a proactive stance to securing their own destiny. The people I've elected are looking out for my needs (whether or not you think they are essential). They are doing the job I've asked them to do....to represent me.
Go munis! -- »www.tricitybroadband.com |
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| reply to ronpin I'm not trying to play word games. I live in a region where a lots of people work for "the government", so perhaps it's easier for me to think of "the government" as being of, by, and for the people.
Many municipal systems have proven very beneficial to the people.
said by Jim Baller, municipal broadband attorney Broadband Resports: Interview written by Karl Bode May 21, 2003: Let's take a closer look. One of the systems studied was the municipal cable system of Glasgow, KY. The residents of Glasgow love their system because it has given them low-cost, high-quality cable service, and, since the mid-1990s, bargain-basement access to the Internet at 4 Mbps. Yet, according to cable industry, the Glasgow system should be considered a failure because it has never made a profit. It is quite true that Glasgow has never shown a profit, but that is because it sets its rates at the lowest possible level that will enable it to recover its costs. This policy has saved the citizens of Glasgow more than $30 million over the relevant period. For a town of 14,000 in rural Kentucky, that's not a failure -- its a grand success.
Another system included in the Denver study was the municipal communications utility of Cedar Falls, IA. To their credit, the professors acknowledged in their report that the system had not been operating long enough to generate any meaningful data. Since then, the Cedar Falls system has been a rousing success, particularly when compared to its next-door neighbor, Waterloo, IA, which shied away from establishing a communications utility of its own. The two cities are comparable in every way except that Cedar Falls has a municipal communications system and Waterloo does not. The result -- economic development in Cedar Falls has surged since the system was completed, even in the face of the economic downturn, while Waterloo's economy has languished. Hardly the profile of a failed system.
That's what happens when "big-brother does it". To that, I say...
Bring it, bro!!!! |
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  oliphant5 Got Identity? Premium join:2003-05-24 Corona, CA
| said by JTRockville : ..."the government" as being of, by, and for the people.
LOL! To me the government is just the most corrupt entity out there bar none...but when it comes to getting screwed, I'd rather risk getting screwed by muni broadband than know I'll be screwed by a telco or cable company. -- -- Munis Killed the Telco Star -- Powered by Barry McKockenner Racing in association with Jack Mikkokov Motorsports |
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  JTRockville Data Ho Premium,MVM join:2002-01-28 Rockville, MD clubs: | I never said all "the people" are above corruption.
But I agree: it seems to me, when done by a muni, vaseline is used. |
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| reply to BosstonesOwn said by BosstonesOwn : amen..... in this day and age the companies care about the bottom lines only and are greedy as all hell.
Since when have companies not been focused on the bottom line and/or not been driven by greed? -- The tobacco industry is more respectable than the telemarketing industry. |
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  JTRockville Data Ho Premium,MVM join:2002-01-28 Rockville, MD clubs: | That's precisely why munis are better for the community - their purpose is to provide a service. As you point out, the purpose of any company, is profit. |
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  oliphant5 Got Identity? Premium join:2003-05-24 Corona, CA
| reply to pnh102 It's not a matter of driven by greed as much as the willingness to violate anti-trust laws or other regulations, but just purchase laws that will permit and unprecedented level of greed and corruption. -- -- Munis Killed the Telco Star -- Powered by Barry McKockenner Racing in association with Jack Mikkokov Motorsports [text was edited by author 2003-10-31 16:42:06] |
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  misiek
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| reply to batageek said by batageek : How about this.....
Municipal broadband is an opportunity to provide another level of service to its citizenry, just as they do with water, sewer, streets, and in some cases, electric, gas & trash collection.
Exactly. |
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  rit56
join:2000-12-01 New York, NY | reply to zabes63 maybe you should consider electing a new President. 2 1/2 million jobs lost and counting during his term of office.
this comment is not an attack on you zabes by the way. just stating a fact, making a point. . |
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  oliphant5 Got Identity? Premium join:2003-05-24 Corona, CA | What, and reverse the trend of 7+% GDP growth, lower taxes and economic recovery? No thanks. |
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