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Re: TechNet Broken? (Win98SE + new update)

reply to R2

said by R2:

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Dang! Bubba, you have the Scrollbar problem but not the TechNet problem?

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reply to R2
The only thing more amazing than the continued operation of this Win98SE PC is that I paid for this abominable software in the first place.

I get none of the problems reported by others in this thread.

A little patchy history . . .

November 15, 2003	Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer 6 SP1 (KB824145)
October 5, 2003	October 2003, Cumulative Patch for Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 (KB8    28750)
September 1, 2003     Root Certificates Update
August 22, 2003	Security Update for Microsoft Data Access Components -823718
August 22, 2003	August 2003, Cumulative Patch for Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1
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(snipped 124 lines of update records, most of them security patches)
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September 19, 1999	Update for Security Vulnerabilities in Scriptlet.typlib and Eyedog Acti  veX Controls
August 8, 1999	Dynamic HTML Data Binding
August 8, 1999	Windows Media Player 6.1
August 8, 1999	VRML 2 Viewer
August 8, 1999	Internet Explorer 5 Web Accessories
July 3, 1999	Macromedia Shockwave
July 3, 1999	Macromedia Flash

reply to R2
no problem with technet using 98se w ie 5.5 sp2 with the nov. patch!

no problems with 98se w ie6 sp1 with the nov. patch

never had a scroll problem!

wait sometimes i can not see scroll bars at winupdate and the download catalog but that is just because Ie's text size is too big

I have found that when going to those sites text size needs to be at "smallest"

however at technet, text size does not seem to matter.

with the other ms sites (win update and the download catalog) you will have display problems if you are not close to(or right at) default settings in these areas

display properties>appearance tab> message box text size.
display properties>settings tab>advanced>display text size

hope this helps.

btw what exactly is the scroll problem?
cant see the scroll bars?

reply to Mele20
I wasn't going to answer or reply to your post, but someone could actually get hurt reading your posts... and there is no "LOL" after that statement...

How much did you modify your brand new XP computer after you got it? Beyond the "Norm" even for us Security buff's at DSLR? I believe I read somewhere you intended to make "26 pages" of modifications to XP Pro..Would THAT have something to do with your problems with XP Pro? Can you start a new thread and tell us your problems under the M$ or Software forum? The reason I am answering this is because I am SO worried someone will actually misinterpret your numerous statements and wind up messing their system...Nothing personal, but I have been using XP Pro over a year now, and I have no problems... Sure, you've got to keep it patched and updated...that's a fact of life.. and I didn't even get infected with Blaster.. Patches, a router, a couple of security programs, a couple of small modifications.. that's all...
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reply to R2
whitefishdj - could you add the SMALL HTML tag before that long list? It would make the page easier to read on these old cranky Win98 box. Yes, using Win98 is kinda like those guys that work on old classic cars, isn't it?

Nam Vet - check out the long Update thread to read about the Scrollbar issue. It basically involves three things:

•Clicking the 'open space' on the scroll bar now makes it jump further than expected. ALL other MS products simply move down one page. Now, what I believe I am seeing is that IE uses the position at which you click the scrollbar to determine how far to jump. This would be akin to clicking "Scroll Here" on the Scrollbar Context Menu.

So, in my assessment, MS modified the behavior of the Scrollbar so that the Default "onclick()" behavior is "Scroll Here" and not "Page Down". This is annoying because this breaks the tradition that has been in place for years and still exists on all other MS products.:(

•The Scrollbar Context Menu (something most of us never knew existed) now works very erratically -- to the point where I feel it is not usable at all.

•You can no longer select text and then use to scroll bar to move the page. Whenever you click the scrollbar, the selected text is immediately un-selected. This is also new behavior that is unique to the newly-patched IE.:(

reply to R2
Windows ME, with the patch applied, same context menu problem with scroll bar, and same error message at TechNet page. I am really looking forward to the patch of the patch!

reply to R2
fwiw in reguards to #1
it does not do this with ie 5.5 sp2(all patched) neither before or after the november patch.

on my 98se ie6 sp1 machine I noticed this behavior before the november patch!

#2 is ok on both

#3 is ok with ie5.5
but selected text is un-selected when scrolling with ie 6
(I dont know if this happened before the nov patch or not)
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reply to R2
more info re #1
on the ie6 box clicking as fast as i can results in winding up at the same place as hitting the keyboard "pagedown" twice.
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reply to R2
OK, I fixed the scrollbar problem -- completely -- by switching out the MSHTML.DLL file. I switched this file:

6.0.2800.1276 10/16/03 1:34 PM 2,734 MB

...in place of this file:

6.0.2734.1600 10/16/03 4:31 PM 2,699 MB

Both of these files were released with the new patch. The newer version (based on time) is the one that breaks the Scrollbar. However, it is the older version based on the Version numbers. Some users got the first and some got the second. I am fairly certain this is correct and the source of the inconsistency we are seeing.

It would never hurt to have more data points. Can you all tell me:

1) If you have the Scrollbar problem
2) The version of MSHTML.DLL on your box.

Any help is appreciated.

Interesting observation R2 . I do not have the scroll bar problem and I am using 6.0.2800.1276 10/16/03 1:34 PM 2,734 MB.
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FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION. It comes bundled with the software.

Thanks. That would be consistent with my findings. You have the 'fixed' patch.

reply to R2
... 6.00.2800.1264, 2.66 mb, Sunday, November 16, 2003 1:56:49 AM (btw, it was modified {Thursday, September 18, 2003 6:28:40 PM} before it was created, which is a neat trick when you thing about it... after removal of patch, all is well ...

... don't ask me why, but it's not the version you seem to have - and I don't care, it works! ... ...

... I think I'm done with this mess ... trying to analyze M$ is like eating soup with a fork ...

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reply to R2

said by R2:

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OK, I fixed the scrollbar problem -- completely -- by switching out the MSHTML.DLL file. I switched this file:

6.0.2800.1276 10/16/03 1:34 PM 2,734 MB

...in place of this file:

6.0.2734.1600 10/16/03 4:31 PM 2,699 MB

Both of these files were released with the new patch. The newer version (based on time) is the one that breaks the Scrollbar. However, it is the older version based on the Version numbers. Some users got the first and some got the second. I am fairly certain this is correct and the source of the inconsistency we are seeing.

It would never hurt to have more data points. Can you all tell me:

1) If you have the Scrollbar problem
2) The version of MSHTML.DLL on your box.

Any help is appreciated.

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reply to antiserious
That is still OK -- you don't have the BAD file -- 6.0.2734.1600 appears to be the Scrollbar-breaking file. As long as you have any other version, you are probably fine...

reply to Tablet
Hmmm... Tablet, darn, that is not consistent.:( I need more data...

reply to R2

My MSHTML.DLL Properties Sheet

reply to R2
I have the same file ver as Randy, still with the "broken" scroll bar.

also I am positive the scroll bar acted this way before the nov patch on my 98se/ie 6 sp1 box

reply to R2
1) If you have the Scrollbar problem: Yes
2) The version of MSHTML.DLL on your box: 6.0.2800.1276 Created: Thursday, October 16, 2003, 1:34:36 PM