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|  new folder colors
red = new topic
orange = updates to a topic you have read
white = no updates (entirely read)
ribbon = followed topic
lit background color = site "hot" topic
for half an hour, you may see things (colors) flip back and forth depending on which server you get. | |
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| Re: new folder colors Justin, are you referring to this? | |
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1 edit | Please don't whine. You can get used to the new features if you allow yourself to get used to the unknown. I like the new changes..
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| Might look better if they were centered in the colums (if that's possible)
This is how they look w/IE6 SP1
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1 edit | Re: new folder colors they are that way so they line up.
If something had more than one icon (lock, or lock+ribbon), they would no longer line up. (if they were centered) | |
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| How about the color of the lock changes, and also I think the orange behind the hot topics is not too cool , the folder with the glowing dot was much cleaner and more professional looking
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clubs: | I don't really like the orange color. I liked it before when it was grey since it had greater contrast to the red and white folders. | |
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| Re: new folder colors said by techie :
It's just too confusing now.
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clubs: | We also need to get someone to update the Icon Key page to reflect these changes. | |
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1 edit | Since you are putting the locked icon next to the folder icon now, why not the attachment symbol?
IMO the orange isn't too bad, but that red color behind hot topics is just plain annoying and clutter. The blinking dot worked so much better and looked better.
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| Re: new folder colors I agree. The more I look at the forums now, the worse I like these color changes. Makes the forums look childish with these big colorful icons. The previous way looked better, imho.
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4 edits | How do you know/tell if/when a topic is locked? There are three locked topics on »AT&T Southeast, yet no lock is showing.
Maybe something is just wrong with my system???
I prefer seeing the lock.... JMO
(edit) Make that four locked topics.
(edit2) On locked topics, see last two days in above Forum, I see one back-lit icon and at least three that are not back-lit. No lock, just one back-lit.
(edit3) I see locks everywhere except on »AT&T Southeast.
(edit4) The first locked topic in »AT&T Southeast is Topic #62. There are at least 4 in the first 30 topics not seen.
(EDIT5) WOW... It's now fixed. Hope that's not a jinx.. 
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1 edit | Hey the "it sucks" descriptions are always funny to read.
But if you stand a chance of influencing changes, you have to do better than that. It doesn't suck just because it has changed. Come up with a reasoned and constructive criticism, and provide an alternative vision, or don't waste time posting because then you sound like a whiner.
The fact is that people had been pointing out in the past lots of issues with the old scheme, and they were correct. This addresses those problems.
If you think this folder design is ugly, fair enough, then come up with a better one. If you want all states of a topic represented in one icon then you'll need to generate a WHOLE BUNCH of images:
locked vs unlocked
hot vs not
followed vs not followed
new topic vs updated topic vs seen topic
posted in vs not posted in
that is ... 2 x 2 x 2 x 3 x 2 = 48 different icons.
Come up with a self-consistent set of 48 different images, that look ok on both light colored forums and dark colored forums, and I'll use them! I'd be extremely glad to. | |
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join:2000-08-11 | Re: new folder colors Just out of curiousity, what was the problem before? | |
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| Re: new folder colors said by login name :
Just out of curiousity, what was the problem before?
no way to tell when a locked topic had been updated or was completely new.
no way to distinguish the difference between a new topic and one previously clicked, that had updates. (a very important distinction).
no indication of followed topics.
no way to tell whether a sticky had been updated, or was new (because there was only a single sticky gif for all reasons).
All these things have come up, at some stage or other, as criticisms, and they are all valid.
so what has changed, really:
For most forums, the ONLY difference is a color change on one folder, and the extra "lock" icon appearing on locked threads. Oh, plus the yellow ribbon appearing for "followed topics". (which I think is better than the "posted in" mark that illogically follows the topic title).
For a couple of popular social forums, the number of "hot topics" means a lot of topics get the folder cell background color addition, indicating 'hot topic'. I'm quite happy to do away with 'hot topic' notifications completely if you like, there are plenty of ways to see hot topics on the site already. | |
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| Re: new folder colors said by Dan Koerner :
I think "hot topic" is readily seen by the "Replies/uniqs" column. "Voted" needs back-lighting somewhere, either icon or subject.
My .02...
Ah constructive criticism, thanks.
voted (topic voting) is back-lit, on the topic subject. At least, if the forum theme has not been edited by the mod to remove that.
I agree that "hot topic" is kind of redundant. I'd like to remove it. The 'red dot'  is better to my eyes (not for black backgrounds yet, the gif still needs tuning) than a back-lite, but should be done away with completely if its still irritating to waste space indicating such things. | |
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| Re: new folder colors said by justin :
I agree that "hot topic" is kind of redundant. I'd like to remove it. The 'red dot' is better to my eyes (not for black backgrounds yet, the gif still needs tuning) than a back-lite, but should be done away with completely if its still irritating to waste space indicating such things.
I vote to trash the red dot. I looks like a laser is aimed at the icon block. To much real estate wasted anyway.
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| It totally wipes out Netscape and looks awful. Please stop with all the glitzy type changes and keep it simple instead. PLEASE.
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1 edit | Re: new folder colors netscape? netscape what version??
what on earth is THAT?
those table cells are just straight table cells.
edit: with the netscape, can you check again?? | |
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| i really didnt have a problem with the old way. red was fine, i'd remember if i read it-- just like an indication to see something was added on. its more clear now, not really necessary IMHO
oh well ill just have to get used to something new
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1 edit | I do not like most of the new changes:
1) All of the new icons and what they mean - I will never remember them.
2) Read threads are getting mixed in with threads that have NOT been updated.
3) On my Fav forums I would LOVE to see it go back to where all I could see are the threads I posted to that were updated and nothing else. Now they are mixed and I have to stop following them - I only have 17+ pages of followed threads - I am NOT going to go thru 17 pages hitting Stop on each one.
This is nearly as bad as trying to go thru 3 pages of Saved threads only to not have them unsave the first time.
If the format is going to be kept then we all need a mass 'upkeep' of the threads that are already marked.
Maybe doing the changes you have made in the last day or 2 slowly thru the week but I do not care for the changes at all. It is now more difficult to read the things I want to read while ignoring those thread that have not been updated...
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| Re: new folder colors said by CylonRed :
2) Read threads are getting mixed in with threads that have NOT been updated.
3) On my Fav forums I would LOVE to see it go back to where all I could see are the threads I posted to that were updated and nothing else. Now they are mixed and I have to stop following them - I only have 17+ pages of followed threads - I am NOT going to go thru 17 pages hitting Stop on each one.
2. On what screen? are you seeing this, please post a screen shot and explanation.
3. Fav forums view (with topics shown) displays followed topics (ie: topics you have posted to and are updated) AND it displays new topics. It has always been so.
3a. Why are you going through 17+ pages of followed threads (presumably looking for updates) when there is a "updated followed" tab that just shows what you want? | |
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Read and unread together - mixed | 
Untidy Updated and followed |
3) It used to be you could have Updated posts in threads you responded to - nothing else. Nice and tidy - only ones that would stick around were sticky threads. As soon as I read all of the updated threads I posted to I would have NO threads listed till someone updated a thread I posted in. Nice and clean unlike the second pic which shows threads from July and August - stuff I had already read and have not been updated in a LONG time.
3a) Yes you are correct - I was mixing the 2. My apologies...:)
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| Re: new folder colors said by CylonRed :
2) Fav forums - mixed read and unread together when before it simply had all the updated unread threads (or new) and then all of the unread threads - now it is mixed.
No you are wrong, the topics were always ordered by time of last update. Just that all the folders were red. They are STILL ordered that way, but now you get to see additional info - orange means you read the topic before.
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3) It used to be you could have Updated posts in threads you responded to - nothing else. Nice and tidy - only ones that would stick around were sticky threads. As soon as I read all of the updated threads I posted to I would have NO threads listed till someone updated a thread I posted in. Nice and clean unlike the second pic which shows threads from July and August - stuff I had already read and have not been updated in a LONG time
Just read them, (click blue arrows), and they will vanish for good. They are the residuals from moving 'site marked' topics to 'followed' topics. | |
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| Re: new folder colors My screen does not show blue arrows at all if it is supposed to - even after clearing the cache and opening a new tab. Yes they clear if I read them but there is not blue arrow to click except for the first thread from today. All of the older threads have no arrow.
You know better for #2 but it is highly irratating going from one color to another. The page is still way busier than it needs to be. Before I knoew what I read as well - by the pencil or notepad - a lot less intrusive and easier on the eyes and it was completely intuitive. Now I have to try and remember what the colors mean.
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1 edit | Isn't putting a ribbon near an envelope redundant? I would imagine that for 99% of the people here, if you have posted in the thread, you would want it followed (makes sense).
Secondly, why put an envelope along with a lock icon? If the thread is locked, no one is posting to it anymore, so that will alleviate the need for showing any sort of envelope, right? | |
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| Re: new folder colors said by login name :
Secondly, why put an envelope along with a lock icon? If the thread is locked, no one is posting to it anymore, so that will alleviate the need for showing any sort of envelope, right?
Because some threads are locked but kept updated by mods and so on. Not all locked threads are dead and static. | |
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1 edit | Re: new folder colors Just giving my opinion here. As you can see by this screen cap, the forums are now quite the eye sore with so many icons.
1. I still don't see the purpose of including a locked icon next to an envelope. I have been around these parts for more than 3 years, and I have never noticed a locked thread that has been updated. If it was updated, what wast he purpose for it being locked. Defeats that purpose if you ask me.
2. ribbon next to envelopes. As it stands, the ribbon can mean two different things. One, it means that we have posted in the thread, which "naturally" would mean we want to follow it. Two, it means that it is a thread that we have followed, but not necessarily posted in. My problem is this. If I go in to a forum, I just like to casually glance at the threads and see which ones I have posted in. Sometimes I just like taking note as to how many views the thread has. If I search for ribbons, I am viewing threads that I have posted in, AND followed (without posting in). I think there definately needs to be a distinction between the two.
3. The little red dot in its own space has got to go. The site is starting to look like it was made for AOL with all the icons that are now popping up.
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| said by login name :
Isn't putting a ribbon near an envelope redundant? I would imagine that for 99% of the people here, if you have posted in the thread, you would want it followed (makes sense)
Yes this is true, but I'm probably going to deal with this by REMOVING the posted-here icon. Why? because it never worked well, and it is not in a logical place. It never worked well because the memory was short-term. You could look back several pages and find the posted-here icons vanish, even though you did post in the topic. | |
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| Re: new folder colors Just curious, but what is the easiest way for us to go in to a forum and easily see which threads we have posted in, regardless if they are updated or not?
Im only asking because I am so used to searching for the icon after the title, that I don't know what to look for now.
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