shell2600
Just A Shell
join:2002-05-22
Sea Cliff, NY
| reply to Anti_Cyrix
Re: Microsoft
It's not about which player is better, it's about whether or not Microsoft was cashing in on their media player "bundleability". Which player is better is quite simply irrelevant.
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Ronnie123
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join:2003-03-11
Springtown, TX
| i think it's a dangerous trend to punish companies simply for giving people the features they want. If microsoft hired some goons to burn down the real network offices... or threatened media providers with retribution for releasing media in real format.. that would be one thing. But simply adding a media player to their operating system is a different issue entirely.
If media player wasn't included with windows and i had a choice of downloading real player or MP, i would still be using media player.... because it s better. I have both.. I'm sure most people do. But if i see media for download in both formats, i choose the windows media player file every single time.
I felt the same way about netscape... If they want people to use their software instead of the software included with the operating system they should make it better.... not cry because their software isn't good enough to be competitive.
Next thing you know some playing card company will sue microsoft for "bundling" solitaire with windows. |
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Speedy8
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join:2002-08-22
Alliance, OH
clubs: | I agree 100%. Maybe Corel will sue microsoft for notepad/wordpad going against wordperfect! |
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georgermct
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join:2000-05-12
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Ummm...this is pretty stupid on Reals part. I have WMP, RealOne & QuickTime. I wasn't forced to use ONLY WMP so what's Reals issue? Hell, if I developed an OS and also developed other software, I sure would bundle things together.
As long as we have a choice and can install and use any media player (including any/all software), what's the big deal? Microsoft didn't say we can't use other products on their OS...so what gives Real any right to cry foul?
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switchd
join:2003-12-17
Hollidaysburg, PA
|  reply to Ronnie123
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i think it's a dangerous trend to punish companies simply for giving people the features they want.
Features they want?!? I don't want WMP on my machine period. If a video I want to see is wma format, I won't watch it or will find another version of it. There are plenty of better formats available.
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I felt the same way about netscape... If they want people to use their software instead of the software included with the operating system they should make it better.... not cry because their software isn't good enough to be competitive.
I use Netscape and in my opinion it is far superior to IE in features, security, aesthetics and reliability. I also like the way Mail, Composer, Address Book and Navigator are so integrated into one aesthetically pleasing and functional application.
There is no simple way to completely uninstall IE or WMP from Windows. I don't like them and don't need them taking up space on my HD. What kind of OS is Windows if it doesn't function properly just because you remove a program?!
This is just my opinion. I know there are people that don't agree but there are also people who agree completely and that is the why we are supposed to have a choice along with the fact that competition drives innovation. MS isn't going to further browser or video technology if there is no reason to. This is all just my humble opinion.
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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| keywords there your opinion.
This lawsuit is a total farce. Then microsoft can counter sue claiming real and AOL don't bundle WMP with AOL. This is getting out of hand and this is just how the United states is turning no one works for a living they all sue to get what others have. It's sickening. They wonder why our jobs are being exported to other countries and the economy is in the crapper. God help us all if this one floats.
It stinks !!! And I hate it!!!
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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| reply to georgermct
said by georgermct  :
Ummm...this is pretty stupid on Reals part. I have WMP, RealOne & QuickTime. I wasn't forced to use ONLY WMP so what's Reals issue? Hell, if I developed an OS and also developed other software, I sure would bundle things together.
As long as we have a choice and can install and use any media player (including any/all software), what's the big deal? Microsoft didn't say we can't use other products on their OS...so what gives Real any right to cry foul?
Because this is what losers do to complain about others winning. This is real making excuses for their lack of a good product. Neither Real nor WMP have my use. They both suck equally as bad. And who wants all the real advertisements when even WMP doesn't have any and is free.
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Ronnie123
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join:2003-03-11
Springtown, TX | reply to switchd
you have the choice not to use windows if you don't like it. Microsoft sells neither air nor water. |
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switchd
join:2003-12-17
Hollidaysburg, PA
| That is true. Fortunately, about a month ago I purchased a Powerbook G4 after almost 8 years of using various windows machines. MS has made the system better with every new os it has released but it is safe to say (IMO) it doesn't match up to OS X and I personally am never going back.
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Yeahwhatever
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If you don't like it don't use it. To me, they are mirror images of themselfs. What one does the other does exactly the same. I don't prefer any one media program, just whatever the media itself request I use. I have 4 different media programs on my windows based machine. I would like to only have to use just 1 but unfortunalty that is not the case. I'm sure that if a poll was taken, 90% of windows users have 2 or more media players on their pc and of that 90%, 89% have realplayer. this is retarded. Microsoft should just bundle everything in one HUGH pakage, that way people would complain about the size of the install. I take that back, Microsoft would just get sued for elusively placing the install file or something. What a load of crap. Microsoft is just playing the game better than it's competitors. nuf said!! I hate sore losers! The world would not be where it is today if it were not for Microsoft. |
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rtcy
FACTS only please
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join:1999-10-16
Beverly Hills, CA
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| said by Yeahwhatever:
If you don't like it don't use it. To me, they are mirror images of themselfs. What one does the other does exactly the same. I don't prefer any one media program, just whatever the media itself request I use. I have 4 different media programs on my windows based machine. I would like to only have to use just 1 but unfortunalty that is not the case. I'm sure that if a poll was taken, 90% of windows users have 2 or more media players on their pc and of that 90%, 89% have realplayer. this is retarded. Microsoft should just bundle everything in one HUGH pakage, that way people would complain about the size of the install. I take that back, Microsoft would just get sued for elusively placing the install file or something. What a load of crap. Microsoft is just playing the game better than it's competitors. nuf said!! I hate sore losers! The world would not be where it is today if it were not for Microsoft.
I'm right there with you. I've tried like 8 of them and NOT one of them has all the features I'm looking for.
since this topic is about WMP it dos NOT do CDDB lookups, so 50% of the CD's you own you can't rip with the right ID3 tags in them because in Microsoft's own MONOPOLISTIC mind if they don't own it, they won't use it, and they will make a half ass version until they bankrupt the original one
they have managed to get more companies to make plug in for them thatn any other and this makes WMP bettter in that respect, then ofcourse there was the old Real player that was actually a VERY good product until they went to the real 1 and real2 I bought those and SPECIFICALLY said no to the contant rebilling to my credit card BUT somehow they did anyway, this took a couple of phone calls to resolve, with no refund on what I was charged. has anyone noticed how WELL they hide the fact you are going to get charged 9.99 a month for music?
also why the heck is there no STANDARD to these plug ins so that one will work with WMP or WINAMP or REAL ?
I love the fraunhoffer plug in I bought for WMP, it is awesome in speed and quality, but only works with it.
real one does NOT have a quality mp3 encoder made on the fraunhoffer engine, intead they use LAME or some other not so great and slower encoder.
so we are ALL screwed on this sunject too.
10 years from now Microsoft will have bankrupted CDDB and just buy it out as usual........ |
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rtcy
FACTS only please
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join:1999-10-16
Beverly Hills, CA
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| reply to Yeahwhatever
said by Yeahwhatever:
Microsoft is just playing the game better than it's competitors. nuf said!! I hate sore losers! The world would not be where it is today if it were not for Microsoft.
How does any other software maker get to compete with something that comes installed in the computr by default?
thats apples vs oranges
now once a user becomes knowledgeable and starts going out , finding, downloading, testing other media players, then your argument becomes more of a real scenario.
but MS numbers are always going to win simply because the masses don't know the difference, and after all they are the masses, begging to be led. |
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rtcy
FACTS only please
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| reply to georgermct
said by georgermct :
Ummm...this is pretty stupid on Reals part. I have WMP, RealOne & QuickTime. I wasn't forced to use ONLY WMP so what's Reals issue? Hell, if I developed an OS and also developed other software, I sure would bundle things together.
As long as we have a choice and can install and use any media player (including any/all software), what's the big deal? Microsoft didn't say we can't use other products on their OS...so what gives Real any right to cry foul?
they make a living SELLING real player and it's backend services.
along comes MS and sees them making a living and they decide, to make a media player and give it away for FREE.
we win (for now) and they bankrupt realnetworks.
they have done this time and again with several products, and all those companies are here no more
they stole the look and feel of AMIPRO back when WORD was the biggest embarresment of software on the planet, today word not only looks and feels like AMIPRO, but MS broke that company who ended up giving it away to Lotus, and then ran Lotus into the ground, until IBM rescued them.
do you remeber way back when Excel was a piece of crap? and Lotus 123 was the "spread" to use? they copied every good thing in it , then they gave it away in the office suite, forcing all others to sell office suites
you really need to stand back and look at their predatory manuevers better. the list is long and distinguished
bottom line is they WON the war by buying every politician they could and heavy handing those they can't buy.
it does not hurt that Bill's daddy is rubbing elbows with Presidents either
I still prefer Windows 2000 to Linux, but what goes around comes back around to BYTE you in the behind, not that I'm wishing them bad, just that this spectator sport is about to get exciting, Linux and OpenOffice may just get the last laugh (10 years from now  ) |
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Yeahwhatever
@comcast.n
| reply to rtcy
If you going to argue that point then how about Realnetworks to make thier own OS... yeah I thought so...
not likely to happen... The whole point here is MS made an OS, a product that they can do with what they want. If you want to make a software company and try to improve on something that MS has already done, you do so at your own risk; if you lose money in your venture then quit or make a better, or different app... nuff said! Like I said there would be no RealNetworks if it were not for MS..... |
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lazarus_
join:2002-08-31
Resolute, NU
2 edits | said by Yeahwhatever:
If you going to argue that point then how about Realnetworks to make thier own OS... yeah I thought so...
not likely to happen... The whole point here is MS made an OS, a product that they can do with what they want. If you want to make a software company and try to improve on something that MS has already done, you do so at your own risk; if you lose money in your venture then quit or make a better, or different app... nuff said! Like I said there would be no RealNetworks if it were not for MS.....
Thats not true.. M$ releases products that are included in their OS for the fact that they can. They dont want any competition and release media player, wordpad, outlook , IE and all the other buggy, exploitable crap that they don't even support with expedient patches for the simple reason to keep other companies from having success.. I hate real networks but they do have a case and I think its legit..
Fight the Powa! \m/=[-_-]=\m/
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