 activinetJust BecausePremium join:2001-03-29 Katy, TX | Help needed! Can only ping, no http, etc. Can anyone help this Northpoint IDSL refugee out of the mess I'm in with SWBell DSL install? The Problem: Since getting sync last week, cannot do anything but "ping" or "tracert". Can't get IE 5.5, nor Netscape 4.x to work. Web browsers won't work with my dial-up access too (to EV1), not just ADSL modem login. Needless to say, I want to avoid an FDISK! BTW, SWBell telephone support probably only made things worse trying to help me!
Particulars: SWBell adsl, Katy/Houston area, RT, got sync (power, ready, link) on the Westell Wirespeed 516 modem, Intel Pro 100b NIC (faithful to the end with Northpoint), Win98SE, used SBC Broadjump install CD for the Westell modem, followed by the SBCIS install CD for Enternet300 (V. 1.4). Manually coded in the SBC DNS primary and secondary into tcp/ip properties, including the swbell.net domain.
Symptom1: can ping or traceroute (though both slow) from either the EV1 dialup connection or the Enternet300 dslreguser connection.
Symptom2: IE 5.5 tells me, "Cannot find server... The page cannot be displayed..." and at the bottom, "Cannot find server or DNS error". It tells me this for the "https://secure.swbell.net/dsluniversal" URL, or any URL. URLs such as "http://63.83.36.109" won't work either in the browser (again, whether dialup or dsl).
Symptom3: Netscape 4.06 (?) for any type of URL, will tell me "Netscape was unable to create a network socket connection....."
I've gone through the Win 98 Troubleshooters, including checking/re-installing the various "winsock" files the troubleshooters suggest. Checked microsoft knowledge base and didn't find much else. I'm at my wit's end on how to solve this myself, again, short of running FDISK!
Before anyone suggests the dsl modem or the NIC, note that I can make a dialup connection with pots, but the web browsers won't work with that either. It has to be something more fundamental in software(Win Registry?).
Would appreciate any assistance, so that I can get back online and help the next newbie. Thanks. |
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 powerhogStinkin' up the jointPremium join:2000-12-14 Owasso, OK | Have you configured your browser(s) to use the LAN instead of a dial-up connection? |
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 DaSneaky1Done wall to block them allPremium,MVM join:2001-03-29 The Lou Reviews:
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| reply to activinet First off, welcome to the SwBell Forum!
Now, have you logged in to the SwBell server first and added in your username and password. You can't access the "net" without first registering. If you look in your paper work that came with the install help cd, you will see an address that has "https" in it. You need the "s" in order to get to the site. Once you register and set your EnterNet 300 login and password to the same, you should be alright. Keep in mind, you need to login with SwBell's service to get to the net! If that does not work, post back and we'll dig deeper. -- -- (sing) I owe! I owe! So off to work I go! |
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 activinetJust BecausePremium join:2001-03-29 Katy, TX | reply to powerhog Yes, my browsers are configured for LAN. |
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 activinetJust BecausePremium join:2001-03-29 Katy, TX | I have not registered my own username yet, because also according to the install guides, one should have no trouble going to »secure.swbell.net/dsluniversal with the "dslreguser" login. I do have trouble doing this. (Not trying to be obstinate, but having no dsl registered username should have nothing to do with my dialup connection at a different ISP.)
I read in another thread that I can register from any Internet connection, but I don't want to do that, may be a (slim) bargaining chip with SWB.
It bugs me that my trusty web browsers won't work with the dialup connection to ev1.net either. I know it had to have something to do with a bad software install, either the Westell or the Enternet, I just don't know where to look. |
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 FlippantSo Much For SubtletyPremium,Mod join:2000-06-04 Katy, TX Host: Filesharing Software Earthlink Cable Texas Gulf Coast AT&T U-verse AT&T Southwest
| Well, it could be an MTU problem if it is set too high. If you tweaked your system for ISDL and had a DHCP then your MTU may be set at 1500. You can download DrTCP from the Tweak FAQ and see what it is set too and change the value if too high. Try 1450 to start with, there should be no problem with that.
Yes you should be able to get to secure site to register fairly easily.
Check on the MTU first, then maybe on to more drastic measures.  |
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 DaSneaky1Done wall to block them allPremium,MVM join:2001-03-29 The Lou Reviews:
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| reply to activinet Oh, gotcha. Do you have any previous PPPoE software installed on your system? What about "tweaking" programs installed on you machine? If you picked a bad one at some time then that could cause problems. What all protocals to you have bound to your NIC? Right now I'm just throwing our suggestions because I'm kinda at a loss. I'll be paying attention to this thread so I can see how it is resolved! -- -- (sing) I owe! I owe! So off to work I go! |
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 activinetJust BecausePremium join:2001-03-29 Katy, TX | reply to Flippant In reply to Flippant and DaSneaky1D:
DrTCP told me MaxMTU for the Intel Pro100 NIC was 1492, so I reset it to 1450, rebooted, tried both Enternet and dialup again. Neither method showed a difference in results. (As for other DrTCP settings, the TcpRcvWin = 65535 and the TTL = 64) (Did not look at or change any MTU for the NTS PPPoE adapter)
I already had DrTCP, which I used last year to tweak the Northpoint IDSL. As for protocols, all I have bound to the adapters is TCP/IP. Northpoint IDSL was a static IP address, so I never needed, nor had, PPPoE on this machine before.
Any other ideas, anyone? That Netscape error message has had me thinking that the SWB DSL software install did something "winsock-related" that was "bad". Does anyone know if/how I should investigate this? I already checked versions of "winsock" per the Win 98 troubleshooter. It checked out, but, there was one winsock-related file that I had on my PC that wasn't on the Win98SE disk (can't recall which and I'm not near the PC now). |
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 FlippantSo Much For SubtletyPremium,Mod join:2000-06-04 Katy, TX Host: Filesharing Software Earthlink Cable Texas Gulf Coast AT&T U-verse AT&T Southwest
| Unfortunately the only thing that comes to mind is kind of drastic. First uninstall Enternet, then remove the NIC driver, install NIC driver, install Enternet with reboots between each.
quote: As for protocols, all I have bound to the adapters is TCP/IP.
Your NIC should have the PPPoE bound to it. You might try updating your bindings.
Last try on the IE Options first. IE->Tools->Internet Options->Connections. Should have "Never dial a connection" selected. Then LAN Settings button, and no boxes checked.
Just noticed quote: Northpoint IDSL was a static IP address, so I never needed, nor had, PPPoE on this machine before.
Do you still have the old NP static IP in there if so you might change it to a non routable one like 10.0.0.1 I don't think that would cause a problem but maybe. |
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 RanmaPremium join:2001-04-28 Houston, TX | reply to activinet Go to start-settings-control panel-add/remove programs. Double click on Internet Explorer. Click on Repair browser and reboot and retry. The winsock registry key could also be bad. You can also restore the registry to the day before you had the browser issues. Reboot the PC and hit F8 as it reboots to go into the boot menu and choose command prompt only. Then type scanreg /restore and you choose a back up from a day it was good. It restores the registry. |
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 activinetJust BecausePremium join:2001-03-29 Katy, TX | reply to Flippant Flippant, I did all you suggest yesterday, in that order, to no avail. The NIC and PPPoE are bound. IE settings are as you suggest.
I didn't have the Northpoint IP in my network settings, and I have tried both "Obtain an IP address automatically", and also hard-coding one (192.168.0.1). I tried now with the 10.0.0.1 and it's no different.
I'm not sure what all my network settings should be, because the install guides gave no settings, and I can't go to the SWB website because I can't use my web browser. Talk about Catch-22!
Right now, for the Intel adapter I have 10.0.0.1 as IP and 255.255.255.0 as submask. I have "Obtain IP..." for the PPPoE adapter. I have "Disable WINS" checked for both. I have no Gateway for either adapter (should I have one?). I have "Enable DNS" checked for both, and I have the domain name as swbell.net, and I have the primary and secondary dns (151.164.1.8, 151.164.1.7, 192.5.5.241, as someone suggested in another thread). Netbios over tcp/ip is checked but the box is grayed out (not selectable). Bindings to "Client for Microsoft Networks". "Allow Binding to ATM is No for both adapters, and the bottom checkbox is unchecked.
Do the above look reasonable? |
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 | reply to activinet Activinet, Your situation sounds similar to the problems I had when first connecting to SBC DSL. To make a long story short, I was using the same NIC you have (although it was NEVER used before I got DSL). Things got worse when I used the SBC helpdesk. It turns out that after I replaced the NIC with an inexpensive Linksys card and uninstalling and reinstalling the Enternet 300 software (previously registered) I was able to connect. I would suggest that you take the advice of the experienced posters here at DSLR. If that fails all attempts try a different NIC card and see if that helps. We'll stay tuned. Good luck! mb (absorbing the wise advice at DSLR) |
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 FlippantSo Much For SubtletyPremium,Mod join:2000-06-04 Katy, TX Host: Filesharing Software Earthlink Cable Texas Gulf Coast AT&T U-verse AT&T Southwest
| reply to activinet Hmmm, sound mostly fine. Believe it or not, if you aren't doing home networking you can even kill the TCP/IP stack for the NIC and things will work fine, but that is another subject. Unfortunately on the machine I am using I have RASPPPoE and it is a bit different. But what you have sounds in the realm of being correct.
Unfortunately, I am running out of ideas. It sounds like you have a fair understanding of this stuff. Hopefully someone else using Enternet can check your network settings for correctness.
Before doing anything really drastic like fdisk, you might try uninstalling IE and Netscape (backup you bookmarks) or update IE. If something is wrong with the Winsock I believe a reinstall may fix it.
Good luck and let me know if you get it fixed. Don't think I have heard this particular problem before. |
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 Anon | reply to activinet Possibilities:
1) Your Intel Pro 100 NIC card may not be compatible with the Westell 516 because Westell 516 modem only support 10BaseT NIC card but not straight 100BaseT NIC card?? The included NIC that came with your Westell Modem is a 10/100 NIC card but not straight 100BaseT, however.
2) Just a side note on this for possible initial stall prevention, probably nothing to do with your problem:
192.168.0.1 private IP address uses subnet 255.255.255.0 for class C
But 10.0.0.1 is class A and should be subnet with 255.0.0.0
3) You don't need to use Enternet 300, use Raspppoe instead to create your DSL registration profile, it works the same way as Enternet 300 which will allow you to accomplish registration any way...
4) Start simple with just a video and a NIC card with everything else disabled via either CMOS or unplug...also start clean with Enternet 300 uninstall, NIC driver removed, TCP/IP stacks removed, etc..what IRQ was assigned to your Intel PRO 100 NIC card?
5) Last resort, have ASI dispatch a tech out to your prem and ask the tech to surf the net using his own Laptop with your Westell Modem, it could be that your line is wired to the wrong/bad DSLAM port(or wrong/bad RT VCI?)...just to see whether it's your problem or the network configuration side/line issues, etc...:(
Good luck..:) -- me surf via me house netwire, FREE to do anything... |
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 powerhogStinkin' up the jointPremium join:2000-12-14 Owasso, OK | reply to activinet said by activinet: The Problem: Since getting sync last week, cannot do anything but "ping" or "tracert".
It seems like the network is configured and functioning properly. Although it is possible that the hardware/drivers are the culprit, I still think there is something wrong with the browsers. Have you tried adjusting your IE security options- set them for "low" security in all areas. |
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 Anon | reply to Anon said by NoHoP: Possibilities:
5) Last resort, have ASI dispatch a tech out to your prem and ask the tech to surf the net using his own Laptop with your Westell Modem, it could be that your line is wired to the wrong/bad DSLAM port(or wrong/bad RT VCI?)...just to see whether it's your problem or the network configuration side/line issues, etc...:(
Good luck..:)
Just thought I would mention that he would not even be pulling a connection if this were true. Unless the ILECs over there blanket provisions the DSLAM so that every port is configured for DSL service with this service provider, but then, if they did that, there would be no reason for it not to work, seeing as the SMS side is provisioned like this, and since all the cross connects exist on the bottom and top side of the ATM cloud, it would work.
So you are able to send ICMP traffic? Have you perhaps tryed to telnet? ;p This will help allievate this being a browser issue. also check your default route using netstat -r and see if it is setup correctly, I am actually just reading through this forum, so I don't know what it is supposed to be like on this ISP. -- -Anon ::writer of many great books:: |
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 Anon | reply to activinet Your Winsock files are corrupted. I've run into this before on some of my customers computers. This procedure can have a significant impact on the customers computer, but the need for this procedure seems to be showing up more and more. During the installation of the DSL line, sometimes the Winsock files become corrupted. Or they are corrupted to begin with. And sometimes, everything works fine for a period of time, and then the browser stops working. This is a procedure that many times will resolve the problem.
Before you start the editing procedure, It is always a good idea to make a Windows Start-Up disk, and to have a back-up copy of the registry.
Win98 (Customer Computer) To restore damaged or corrupt Winsock files. The computer will connect with the PPPoE adapter, but the browser will not work. The same symptoms are seen using the analog modem. You can connect to your ISP, but the browser stalls, will not browse. The technician will be to connect and browse with their laptop.
REGISTRY EDIT
1. Remove Dial Up Networking From------ Control Panel Add/Remove Programs Windows Setup Communications
(Reboot the Computer)
-Start-Run-Regedit
Registry Keys:
Expand: HKey Local Machine
Expand: System
Expand: Current Control Set
Expand: Services
Under Services, Delete the following Keys: Winsock Winsock2
Under Services, expand VXD. Under VXD, delete the following Keys: AFVXD DHCP MSTCP WINSOCK WINSOCK2
Rename in the "c:\windows\winsock.dll" to "winsock.asi"
After the Registry has been edited, go back and re-install Dial-Up Networking to restore your Winsock files to original condition. You will need the Win98 O.S. disk, unless the O.S. is on the hard drive. I have duplicated this procedure in WinME, but after I uninstalled Dial-Up Networking, the computer would always reboot in Safe Mode, until I re-installed Dial-Up Networking.
One thing to consider with a new installation on a WinME machine- you can create a restore point before you start the installation. This will allow you to return the customers computer to its previous condition. (Pre-Install).
After this procedure, you may have to un-install your PPPoE software, and re-install it.
I would also recommend changing your NIC as the Westell is only 10meg. I'm not sure if it will work with a 100m only card.
Good Luck!
-- To be or not to be, only the router knows!
Ken
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 activinetJust BecausePremium join:2001-03-29 Katy, TX | dsljock, You hit the mark, thanks a bunch! I followed your procedure, and after the re-install of DUN I was able to log in as dslreguser, register, and be on my way. Thanks a bunch, I had a feeling it had to do with a bad software install, either for the modem or Enternet, because it screwed up my dialup ability as well.
I appreciate all the help and support I received on this board, and I hope to return the favors soon (and often).
First test shows 578/79, so I'll be doing some tweaking, as I'm within (I think) 5000 feet from the RT. Thanks again, everyone! |
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 Anon | Glad I was able to help. After the tweaks you should be above 1100 for sure with just the RWIN tweak. good luck and glad it worked. |
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| dsljock, Thank goodness you came along with some timely information to get this one fixed. This is the first time I have heard of this happening, but you can bet I bookmarked ot for the next time. Nice call!
activinet, Very happy to hear that you are up and going. Good luck and happy surfing! |
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