Why not to use SPEWS Page 2

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TamaraB Question The Current Paradigm Premium join:2000-11-08 Brooklyn NYC ·Verizon Online DSL	reply to AmeritecTech Re: Why not to use SPEWS said by AmeritecTech : What money do you think BBR uses to pay its hosting costs? I am responsible for who I support. I support BBR, which is NOT spam friendly. BBR is responsible for who they support! That is entirely their business! And BBR will have to deal with whatever consequences arise or don't arise as a result of their decissions. Captain Bob -- Motor Vessel - Tamara B. - 43' Long-Range Trawler Cape Elizebeth ME.»www.tamara-b.org
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nil Java Geek join:2000-11-27	Funny, that's what I've been saying about Nac.
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TamaraB Question The Current Paradigm Premium join:2000-11-08 Brooklyn NYC ·Verizon Online DSL	reply to Rhobite said by Rhobite : It's interesting that the discussion here has focused on the evils of SPEWS, with little discussion of NAC's failure to deal with its spam problem. Not to mention, zero suggestions about how else to punish people who sell fake drugs and send porn to kids. It's called being safe comfortable, and lazy. People don't want to be bothered with having to do any work, they don't want to suffer any discomfort, risk, or inconvience, they just want the problem to go away all by itself, without any cost, without any discomfort, and without any risk. I wonder... would this thread even have started if BBR did not appear on a level [2] listing? Now spews is an inconvience to Nil, so therefor spews is now evil. Spews was not evil last week. Why? Because there was no inconvience caused by a very effective BL last week. Why isn't NAC deemed evil? You see? That's childish, and one of the reasons we are in the state we are currently in i'm afraid! Captain Bob -- Motor Vessel - Tamara B. - 43' Long-Range Trawler Cape Elizebeth ME.»www.tamara-b.org
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nil Java Geek join:2000-11-27 Host: Webmasters and Dev.. Forum Feature Requ..	Give me some credit, I've ranted about draconian tactics of some blacklist for a long time now and I never agreed with this as a right way to fight spam. On the other hand, I have actively acted against spam for years.. so you're saying my opinion on this doesn't count because it's against spews? It's not just an inconvenience for me and dslreports.. it affects Internet as a whole and helps anti-spam activists to be discounted as extremists in midst of a witch hunt. -- Life is too short to be boring
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TamaraB Question The Current Paradigm Premium join:2000-11-08 Brooklyn NYC ·Verizon Online DSL	reply to nil said by nil : Funny, that's what I've been saying about Nac. You mean you see no difference between the two?? BBR does NOT support hackers, porners, and spammers by providing them space to operate on this Board! By contrast, NAC provides ip-space to the same, and they make money off of them. Does BBR make money from illegal and immoral users? No! The difference is stark, I am surprised you can't see the difference. Captain Bob -- Motor Vessel - Tamara B. - 43' Long-Range Trawler Cape Elizebeth ME.»www.tamara-b.org
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nil Java Geek join:2000-11-27 1 edit	Forget it, I've had enough playing ping-pong for the day.
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AmeritecTech Change we can believe in, 1922 Premium join:2002-09-06 Houston, TX	reply to nil There are two sites listed on the RBL entry. Gordontower.com says "project closed" on the front page and is apparently dead. sm1l1ngcustomerscomeback.com is not hosted on NAC any longer. It resolves to 209.113.236.162 which is owned by Network Innovations. So aside from terminating the spammers, what can NAC do to get back in the good graces of SPEWS? Nothing. -- Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's the non-thinkers that always come in legions." -John Callari
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TamaraB Question The Current Paradigm Premium join:2000-11-08 Brooklyn NYC ·Verizon Online DSL	reply to nil said by nil : Give me some credit, I've ranted about draconian tactics of some blacklist for a long time now and I never agreed with this as a right way to fight spam. Every "blacklist" is very well defined in terms of who they list and how. Every one of them, has a website, and their operations are clearly defined. Have you seen csma.biz for instance? A list of ANY spammer ip-range who have EVER sent them even one spam. Each sysadmin has the responsibility to use or not to use any list as they see fit. For some applications a "draconian" blacklist is quite appropriate, for others it's not. Ranting against a "list" is not entirely appropriate, rant instead against it's particular use perhaps, but not the list itself. After all, it's only information, no one is forced to use a particular list. Captain Bob -- Motor Vessel - Tamara B. - 43' Long-Range Trawler Cape Elizebeth ME.»www.tamara-b.org
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AmeritecTech Change we can believe in, 1922 Premium join:2002-09-06 Houston, TX	said by TamaraB : For some applications a "draconian" blacklist is quite appropriate, for others it's not. Ranting against a "list" is not entirely appropriate, rant instead against it's particular use perhaps, but not the list itself. After all, it's only information, no one is forced to use a particular list. Likewise, no one is forced to listen to a particular rant. Yet you continue to chastise nil's rant. -- Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's the non-thinkers that always come in legions." -John Callari
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nil Java Geek join:2000-11-27 Host: Webmasters and Dev.. Forum Feature Requ..	A rather whiny and tired nil by now Anyway, it seems this discussion is just going in circles.. we each have our opinions and doesn't look like anyone will change theirs. Can we agree to disagree and move on? -- Life is too short to be boring
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AmeritecTech Change we can believe in, 1922 Premium join:2002-09-06 Houston, TX	Sounds good.
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Steve I'm a PC, so shut up Consultant join:2001-03-10 Yorba Linda, CA	reply to AmeritecTech said by AmeritecTech : Yet you continue to chastise nil's rant. She's fun to chastise
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Doctor Four My other vehicle is a TARDIS Premium join:2000-09-05 Dallas, TX ·AT&T U-Verse	reply to Mordy I'd like to see the SPEWS lunacy involved here get Slashdotted. In spite of the excessive traffic that would be generated here at BBR, that kind of publicity would do well to point out the damage that SPEWS causes to innocent thrid parties that happen to be in the same netblock as spammers. And at /., it would reach a good target audience. -- "Kayura or Badamon, whichever you are, you should know that I will never give up this battle. By the will of the Ancient, I shall succeed!" - Shuten (Anubis) from the Ronin Warriors.
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nil Java Geek join:2000-11-27 Host: Webmasters and Dev.. Forum Feature Requ..	Actually, slashdot hardly makes a dent in our traffic when they link to us, so wouldn't be excessive at all -- Life is too short to be boring
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AmeritecTech Change we can believe in, 1922 Premium join:2002-09-06 Houston, TX	They made a 90 page dent for that spammer hunt!
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Mordy Comfortably Numb Premium,MVM,ExMod 2004-07 join:2001-12-02 Denver, CO	reply to nil Well, someone with more influence needs to post to Slashdot...I submitted last night, but no luck yet. -- Facts do not cease to exist because the are ignored - Aldous Huxley
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TamaraB Question The Current Paradigm Premium join:2000-11-08 Brooklyn NYC ·Verizon Online DSL	reply to AmeritecTech said by AmeritecTech : So aside from terminating the spammers, what can NAC do to get back in the good graces of SPEWS? Nothing. NAC.NET has to terminate all their spammers to get de-listed from spews. That's the way spews works. They (NAC) are rife with spammers. See: »www.lxhp.in-berlin.de/spamsites/···NET.html for a partial current list. NAC also needs to be responsive to complaints, they need to explain what steps they have taken to insure that new spammers will not replace the old ones... I am not spews, but this is what I have observed, mainly on News://news.admin.net-abuse.email If you go to NANAE and read a bit, you will understand what the process is. Many providers are de-listed all the time. It's not impossible, it's quite common actually. Captain Bob -- Motor Vessel - Tamara B. - 43' Long-Range Trawler Cape Elizebeth ME.»www.tamara-b.org
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nil Java Geek join:2000-11-27 Host: Webmasters and Dev.. Forum Feature Requ..	reply to Mordy I have no influence I do think that more attention to the issue might be good for everyone involved though.. except maybe the spammers. -- Life is too short to be boring
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jspreha join:2002-02-02 Harrisburg, PA	reply to nil said by nil : Actually, slashdot hardly makes a dent in our traffic when they link to us, so wouldn't be excessive at all I believe that is about to change very shortly. New slashdot story is soon to appear to the masses.
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some lam0r @sympatico.ca	reply to nil f1r5T pS0t wwwwoooooooooooot! (sincerely hope you solve your spamadelic problems)
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