tdp17
join:2001-04-24
Charlotte, NC
| Sick of hearing "that's why I use Mozilla, etc."
I'm glad people point out these problems, it creates a better product. I'm happy knowing that even though there are all these exploits and such, Microsoft fixes them to the best of their ability, leaving a browser that is better secured than before. As for the other browsers, Mozilla, Netscape, Opera, etc. they may seem as the best alternative, but does anyone really test for errors in these browsers and report them to media? no. Instead, they make an update available and keep it all hush, hush from the media making it seem like they have no problems or exploits. The other browsers are much more vunerable to exploits than ie. |
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Nam Vet
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join:2001-12-03
Allentown, PA
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The other browsers are much more vunerable to exploits than ie.
LOL, yea sure they are
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mladd
join:2002-12-20
Ooltewah, TN
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tdp17,
It's actually the other way around. Due to numerous "enhancements" and "features" in IE and it's to-close-for-comfort integration with the OS and other apps (like Outlook) they practically build these vulnerabilities into it's own product.
Instead of "does anyone really test for errors in these browsers and report them to media?" you should be asking
"does anyone at Microsoft really test for these errors in it's own browser before releasing to the public" The answer would be the same. no.
I used alternate browsers, and now even an alternate OS. I just could no longer go on trusting Microsoft and it's products to provide the basic security in a normal home PC.
Using a PC should not mean having to first check every day to see if there are new updates and security releases available. You shouldn't have to go out and scan the virus boards to see if some new virus has sprung up. You shouldn't have to run an auto update (or download the latest DAT files) for you virus software. You shouldn't have to go out to the stores and buy new virus/firewall/spy-ware-protection/security software every few months. True, I may be exaggerating a bit, but you get my point.
After all is said and done.... It should just work.
That may be ignorant of me, but that's just my opinion of what what a personal computer SHOULD be.
-Mike |
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glorybox48
join:2001-02-08
Little Ferry, NJ
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said by tdp17  :
As for the other browsers, Mozilla, Netscape, Opera, etc. they may seem as the best alternative, but does anyone really test for errors in these browsers and report them to media?
You DO realize that many of these "other browsers" have been invulnerable to several huge IE exploits (including this extension spoofing and phishing) in the first place, right.. ? Wouldn't you rather -not need- a patch in the first place for a problem that doesn't exist? |
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evagilon
join:2003-01-10
Imperial Beach, CA | reply to tdp17
yeah right. when was the last update for ie again?
11/5/03.
as for keeping hushed, msnbc regularly notes when updats come out. |
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GNXPower
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join:2003-12-18
Huntington Beach, CA | reply to tdp17
Fixing them to the best of their ability would mean they're fixing them.
They aren't.
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CO_Chris
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Re: Sick of hearing "that's why I use Mozilla, etc
Hmmmmmmmm i say the hell with IE its BS. I was a Big IE fan til i started seeing the holes it has F&*&K M$ I am happy that people are using other Browsers just to she that M$ is not the S%^T
Remember a few months ago someone made a patch for IE??? well what happed it worked and Microcrap made then take it down Y?? because someone knew how to fix there crap and they did not. I got the patch but don't use IE anymore.
so Whatever |
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raye
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join:2000-08-14
Orange, CA
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Perhaps you should check out »umbrella.mx.tc/ before you make such a grand statement. 35 unpatched IE vulnerabilities vs 6 for Netscape and 1 for Mozilla.
I checked the site most recently yesterday, however it seems to have some difficulty accessing it as of 7 AM PST 01/29/04.
Mozilla does not have the phishing exploit that IE user have been tricked with. |
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stufried
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Re: Sick of hearing "that's why I use Mozilla, etc."
Microsoft is a victim of its own success. Hackers and researchers are concentrating on the Microsoft line of products because they have the largest market share. I'm not sure that the question is whether the same programmer (spending an equal amount of time) could find an exploit in Mozilla, Netscape, or Opera, but whether obscurity creates an additional measure of security.
For example, if I drive a Holden in Australia, it is likely to get ripped off. It is an easy car to steal and every thief knows how to "hotwire" it in about three seconds. If I take that Holden to the US, however, it is less likely to be ripped off, because US car thieves aren't spending their time learning how to steal cars that aren't readily available. Holden's security may be worse than say a Jeep's, but I've personally increased my security by going with the odd-ball car. |
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GNXPower
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| Re: Sick of hearing "that's why I use Mozilla, etc
Of course they can. I have no problems with the exploits being discovered themselves. EVERY type of software like these has problems.
The problem I have with Microsoft is the SLOW response from Microsoft regarding patching the exploits.
I'm still using IE most of the time (as part of MSN 9) but more and more often I'm finding myself using a Mozilla based browser, not just because of them less of these exploits discovered, but because they also offer more features including pop up blocking and some page manipulation blocking.
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mladd
join:2002-12-20
Ooltewah, TN
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Re: Sick of hearing "that's why I use Mozilla, etc."
MSNBC IS Microsoft. Of course they aren't going to bash Microsoft on all of the security issues and let all of the IE folks know when to patch their Operating Sys...I mean...Browser.
"when was the last update for ie again?
11/5/03."
How many vulnerabilities have been reported since then? More than Microsoft can keep up with, apparently, since they still have not released a patch for some of the most notorious ones that have been out for close to two months now.
I love this "vapor policy" of Trustworthy Computing Initiative. It's a joke. |
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72276539
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join:2001-01-19
Atlanta, GA
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Re: Sick of hearing "that's why I use Mozilla, etc
said by CO_Chris :
Remember a few months ago someone made a patch for IE??? well what happed it worked and Microcrap made then take it down Y?? because someone knew how to fix there crap and they did not. I got the patch but don't use IE anymore.
so Whatever
Get your facts straight, the patch the group made created several more problems then it actually fixed.
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dda
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join:2003-12-29
Bolton, MA
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Re: Sick of hearing "that's why I use Mozilla, etc."
Actually, Microsoft is also a victim of their own arrogance; by "integrating" IE into the OS and shipping it with the OS (all in an attempt to stifle competition), they have a responsibility to make (and keep) it secure. They have fallen down badly, I'd say because of their usual attitude of failing to plan for the unintended consequences of their "whiz bang" ideas.
Plus, they tend to ship code a wee bit "early," so to speak, which doesn't help matters. When bugs or exploits are found, they should fix them quickly, but they haven't done that, either.
Their browser is popular because they ship it with the OS, it is "good enough" for most people and they make getting any other browser more difficult. So yes, it becomes a target because some cracker can assume it is on the desktop and most likely be right. All the more reason to fix exploits quickly. |
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mod bait
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join:2001-06-11
Rochester, NY
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Re: Sick of hearing "that's why I use Mozilla, etc
said by raye :
Perhaps you should check out »umbrella.mx.tc/ before you make such a grand statement. 35 unpatched IE vulnerabilities vs 6 for Netscape and 1 for Mozilla.
Telling someone to "get your facts straight" is something that needs to be done carefully. The site you linked to lists 24 MSIE "vulnerabilities", but at least half a dozen of them are not vulnerabilities at all (because they only work in the My Computer zone), some others are "still being investigated", and some of the few remaining have yet to be verified elsewhere.
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mod bait
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join:2001-06-11
Rochester, NY
| reply to tdp17
Re: Sick of hearing "that's why I use Mozilla, etc."
said by tdp17 :
I'm glad people point out these problems, it creates a better product. I'm happy knowing that even though there are all these exploits and such, Microsoft fixes them to the best of their ability, leaving a browser that is better secured than before. As for the other browsers, Mozilla, Netscape, Opera, etc. they may seem as the best alternative, but does anyone really test for errors in these browsers and report them to media? no. Instead, they make an update available and keep it all hush, hush from the media making it seem like they have no problems or exploits. The other browsers are much more vunerable to exploits than ie.
Just use whatever you want, and be happy with it. Some people just need the little ego boost that goes along with (what they perceive as) a validation of their choice in software. So, take the "This is why I use..." quotes which fail to make any real point as a little cry for help, smile, and go on.
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mph300
Two Thirds The Way There
join:2000-11-09 | reply to mladd
Hey Mike,
Not Ignorant at all.....but thinking in a dream world....Wouldn't it be nice if computers WERE like what you described!! |
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