Ronin4740
join:2000-05-03
Saint Charles, MO
| reply to Rexter
Re: If it's my hardware........
Gawd... Okay, it's your TV - Does that make it legal to hack the cable connection so you get HBO, Showtime, etc... for free?
Yep, the modem is your hardware and yep you can use it to connect to the cable modem network but read the AUP for practically any cable internet service and you items which prohibit uncapping modems and/or modifying firmware.
Inlcuded for reference: Charter's AUP and Customer Agreement Links
»www.charter.com/site/rules.asp#aup
»www.charter.com/site/customeragreement.asp
Mod your firmware and/or uncap at your own risk. A simple query of the modem from the cable company's NOC will reveal your actions and may subject you to termination of service.
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Rexter
YeeHaw
join:2002-11-17
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Rhobite
Premium
join:2002-02-24
Cambridge, MA
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It's not legal to receive channels you don't pay for. But you have to fault the cable companies for putting trusted equipment in the hands of consumers. Granted there's not much they can do technically (I'm not talking about whether it's illegal or not) about protecting TV signals, but they can certainly enforce caps at the headend rather than the CM.
It's against the AUP to sniff your neighbors' traffic, but the fact that this is even possible is 100% the fault of the cable companies. I don't even have cable HSI anymore - but it's kind of shocking that I could dust off my old SB4200, take the filter off my cable, and sniff my neighbors' traffic, without even being a subscriber. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
 ·Comcast
| reply to Ronin4740
said by Ronin4740  :
...Yep, the modem is your hardware and yep you can use it to connect to the cable modem network but read the AUP for practically any cable internet service and you items which prohibit uncapping modems and/or modifying firmware.
I'm not questioning the AUP of the cable companies and obviously, if you rent your modem you have no right whatsoever to modify it.
However, if you buy and own your own modem, this amounts to the cable company restricting your use of your property. It's similar to the MPAA saying you can't skip commercials on a DVD you own or the phone company saying you can only make 5 phone calls an hour over our network.
If they don't want people uncapping their modems, maybe they should move control of the caps to the CMTS. Or not let people use their own modems. |
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Aggie Dan
Stop... Reverse That.
Premium
join:2001-01-30
Frisco, TX
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| said by nasadude :
or the phone company saying you can only make 5 phone calls an hour over our network.
Or... Ummm... Maybe having the cell phone company restricting the number of minutes you can use on their network?
Outrageous I tell you.
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AthlGrond
Premium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO
·Comcast
1 edit | reply to nasadude
said by nasadude :
However, if you buy and own your own modem, this amounts to the cable company restricting your use of your property. It's similar to the MPAA saying you can't skip commercials on a DVD you own or the phone company saying you can only make 5 phone calls an hour over our network.
I disagree.
The cable company places no restriction on what you do with your equipment, they place restrictions on the type of equipment that is allowed connected to their network. (Mod your modem all you like, they don't care so long as you don't try to plug it in to their network.)
So it's not really a restriction on what you can do with your property, it's more a restriction on what you can do with Their's. |
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Clocker1000
join:2001-05-24
Sterling Heights, MI
·Comcast
·WOW Internet and C..
| I agree. It's just like the laws we have with respect to driving cars.
My car can go over 100mph but I'm restricted with how I can drive it on my 'network' of roads (which I pay for with my tax dollars).
The same goes for my cable modem. I can use it on the network but I better conform with the network rules. Some people just have to have something to bitch and complain about I guess.
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tonekilla
Pipe Dreams
Premium
join:2003-07-26
Gunnison, MS
clubs: | reply to Aggie Dan
What are you talking about? they want you to use the hell out of their network, so they can then charge the hell out of you.
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Aggie Dan
Stop... Reverse That.
Premium
join:2001-01-30
Frisco, TX
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| If you look at the higher charges once you go over your time allotted by your package as a penalty... Then the overage charges are similar to any fines or loss of network connection that your cable company would do.
Granted, the cable company takes a harsher stance. But, they are in effect the same thing.
This is, of course, neglecting the prepaid cell phones. Once those run out of minutes, you're done until you go buy some more minutes.
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b_zen
Premium
join:2002-07-24
Saint Louis, MO
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| reply to Rhobite
On to the point!
The hypocrisy of the ISP's and manufacturers (to a lesser degree)... Since they can't secure it from the start (technically, or due to cost) they'll leave it in the hands of users, hardware is usually having a valuable cost on the market  , then reprimand you if you find a way to set the monkey loose...
The day I find a non-technical way of uncapping my modem, you bet I'll try it
By the way, how do you "re"cap your modem???
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aitech
Guru. Kneel
join:2000-12-19
Boston, MA
clubs: | reply to Ronin4740
If you turn off syslogging, and change tree walking - no, they cannot simply "query the modem" and find out what your doing. |
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insomniac
Oh Yeah
Premium
join:2002-09-22
Naperville, IL
clubs:
·AT&T Midwest
| reply to b_zen
To re-cap, you should just be able to reset it and let it get the config file from the ISP instead of the customized one from your spoofed TFTP server, right? That's how I understand it, but I have no experience in actually uncapping my modem because I've never seen the risk of losing my service as "worth it."
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Jeremy341
Bye
Premium
join:2000-01-06
localhost
| reply to b_zen
said by b_zen :
By the way, how do you "re"cap your modem???
You "re"boot it, and allow it to get the configuration file off the ISP's TFTP server like it's supposed to. |
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Jeremy341
Bye
Premium
join:2000-01-06
localhost
| reply to nasadude
said by nasadude :
However, if you buy and own your own modem, this amounts to the cable company restricting your use of your property.
You can do whatever the hell you want with your own cable modem, and nobody will say a word. But once you plug it into your cable company's network, you're using their service, and you're agreeing to their rules. If you don't like their rules, you can lease a modem, or go somewhere else. |
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insomniac
Oh Yeah
Premium
join:2002-09-22
Naperville, IL
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·AT&T Midwest
| reply to AthlGrond
said by AthlGrond :
The cable company places no restriction on what you do with your equipment, they place restrictions on the type of equipment that is allowed connected to their network. (Mod your modem all you like, they don't care so long as you don't try to plug it in to their network.)
That's right. I think this is the same thing as blue-boxing on my phone line, except the penalties for stealing phone service can be harsher since there are specific laws against it.
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b_zen
Premium
join:2002-07-24
Saint Louis, MO
clubs: | reply to Jeremy341
Thank "re"you |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| reply to aitech
said by aitech :
If you turn off syslogging, and change tree walking - no, they cannot simply "query the modem" and find out what your doing.
No matter what you do to your modem, an uncapped modem will stick out like a sore thumb at the CMTS on their QoS profiles. only way to 'hide' is to uncap to a higher level of service the company offers. on providers like OOL its not possible as they offer only one speed (10000/1000).
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pilferk3
join:2004-02-11
Pine Meadow, CT
| reply to nasadude
I'm not sure that's a valid analogy. People own DirectTV set tops, yet DirecTV controls content to that box. There are plenty of content providers who "control" the content via some sort of "control" on consumer owned equipment.
There is consumer choice: Connect to the providers content and allow them some measure of control over the equipment you own OR choose not to conncet to the providers content. Thus, the reason for the EULA/TOS agreement.... |
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