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reply to Mrdredd
I've run out of time on the Visualroute program, that ftrace is horribly slow.. and is pingplotter free? (as in wont expire and leave me hanging)

Plus the fact that I shouldnt have to run some stupid program to use tracert on my PC.

Any users still left with viruses which affect the damn internal network of Adelphia should be SHUT OFF with notices sent to have thier machines cleaned under the pretense of internal Adelphia network abuse!

reply to Mrdredd
I'm willing to bet they are done like that. There is a free verison of ping plotter found here »pingplotter.com/download.html
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Many networks block or rate limit ICMP now, thanks to people that like to abuse a basic network topology feature.
Just trace using UDP, it's slower, but at least it works.

Regards,
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reply to Mrdredd
mredd, wasn't that a horse that talked? typed,

"Plus the fact that I shouldnt have to run some stupid program to use tracert on my PC."

Why?
I believe Network Integrity is MUCH more important.

Hob
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"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

reply to Mrdredd
Well, I have mine back. Bellsouth was blocking on hook in the road for me.

You'll never see them back. It's a way that Adelphia can hide issues from the customer. I mean some people know how to get around, but most people don't. It's ignorance that companies bet on. They won't turn them back on, because it hides issues.
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Adelphia, you just flat out suck. THAT IS S-U-C-K!!!!!!!

reply to Mrdredd
agreed 100000000000% it is ridiculas and very cheesy on adelphias part.

reply to techno_rep
There is no reason for Adelphia to continue breaking a very basic internet protocol.

said by techno_rep:

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Many networks block or rate limit ICMP now, thanks to people that like to abuse a basic network topology feature.
Just trace using UDP, it's slower, but at least it works.

Regards,

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Zman pipped up

"there is no reason why ICMP shouldn't be restored to full functionality"

Unless you have access to Adelphia's Network you have no knowledge to make this kind of sweeping statement.
Can you tell us what FACTS prompted this sort of statement.

Hob
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"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."
- Ralph Waldo Emerson

Where are the "FACTS" supporting adelphia's apparent contention that ICMP can't be restored yet?

This is the usual adelphia insider's position - you are in the know, and not at liberty to share the information but customers should of course trust adelphia to always do what is in the customer's best interests. Riiiight.

I don't know whether it should or shouldn't be restored at this time but neither side is supporting their argument with "FACTS".

reply to Mrdredd
Here's a fact....Adelphia OWNS the network, it is theirs to secure as they deem fit.

ICMP isn't broke, it is being "controlled". there are plenty of applications that can be used to examine the performance of the network local to you. (This too is a FACT). If you don't wanna pay for one, then Use one of the freebies.

I really like AnalogX Hypertrace, it is free, it is simple, and it is able to trace clean through to dslreports, where even other's could not.

get it here:
»www.analogx.com/contents/downloa···race.htm

Frankly, Any company that made public, the steps it takes to secure their network, deserves exactly what they get.

reply to Mrdredd
Well until people have cleaned their machines and adelphia or any other internet provider sees that there is not going to be a delay or slow down in the system then and only then will it get turned back on. until then they will keep it off. Adelphia's support and facts in the matter is there are people on the network that have viruses that are causing network instability with icmp packets turned on.

they have the right to protect that network at any cost.

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they have the right to protect that network at any cost.

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reply to NSFY
NSFY asked

"Where are the "FACTS" supporting adelphia's apparent contention that ICMP can't be restored yet? "

Where they should be. Inside of Adelphia's network. Its Adelphia's decision and right to do anything they want with their Network. Thats actually the only fact you need. I don't see any unalienable right to ping and trace and If it is felt restricting that right will improve and secure the network ..oh well.

"but customers should of course trust adelphia to always do what is in the customer's best interests. Riiiight."

Actually a customer does not have any choice...Unless that customer gets a job overseeing Network security. I don't see an issue. There are tools out there that allow you to do what you say you can't. Kfsutops bemoaned that people know how to get round it but most don't, Those that don't have no idea what a trace is anyway!

Hob
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"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

reply to Mrdredd
Why is having ICMP unblocked so important?

reply to hobgoblin
"Plus the fact that I shouldnt have to run some stupid program to use tracert on my PC."

What the hell do you think tracert is? A third-party application could be more verbose, etc.

reply to gheezer
Thanks for the link to AnalogX Hypertrace ---- it works great. Our capability to run traceroute is off as well,,, but this one does the trick just as well.

Your very welcome, I love it, works great, and it's real simple.
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reply to gheezer

said by gheezer:

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ICMP isn't broke, it is being "controlled". there are plenty of applications that can be used to examine the performance of the network local to you. (This too is a FACT). If you don't wanna pay for one, then Use one of the freebies.

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