RPM Jack
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Re: [FP] Articles of Association - Your Ideas Please
11) In case a board member can not perform their duty, resigns or has been removed via impeachment by a 2/3 majority board vote, the board shall, with the grounds clearly stated and defensible, call for a vote of the membership to replace said board member.
Perhaps some clarification of the impeachment process could be added, assuming that it is not already present and I just missed it in reviewing the articles. How is the impeachment process initiated - by a board member in a public meeting? Is the "target" of the impeachment process allowed to participate in the impeachment vote? Does the general membership of FP have any input into the impeachment process or is the process handled solely by the board? |
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Gargoyle
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| said by RPM Jack  :
Perhaps some clarification of the impeachment process could be added, assuming that it is not already present and I just missed it in reviewing the articles.
Not present anywhere else.
said by RPM Jack :
How is the impeachment process initiated - by a board member in a public meeting? Is the "target" of the impeachment process allowed to participate in the impeachment vote? Does the general membership of FP have any input into the impeachment process or is the process handled solely by the board?
Since we have never documented this, here is my view ...
Impeachment of a board member can be started by any member of FP. It is started via a post in DCSP (that's right, we discuss everything in the open now.) After discussion in that thread and with the will of a significant number (judgement call, but I would say 10 minimum) of members for such a vote, then I (unless the President is the target, then the 1st VP will do this) will post an official vote of the full membership for resolution.
Yes, the target gets to be in the debate and in the vote as do all members. Everyone will be heard, everyone gets one vote.
One more thing I might change is that impeachment requires 2/3 majority of the members that vote. Which is different than currently written since there are now a significant number of FP members that appear to be no longer active.
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RPM Jack
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| Gargoyle, thank you very much for the feedback!
To clarify one point: Article 11 states "has been removed via impeachment by a 2/3 majority board vote," so the board would vote to impeach first and then the general membership would vote to impeach, or does the general membership just vote on the replacement for the impeached board member?
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Gargoyle
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| said by RPM Jack :
To clarify one point: Article 11 states "has been removed via impeachment by a 2/3 majority board vote," so the board would vote to impeach first and then the general membership would vote to impeach, or does the general membership just vote on the replacement for the impeached board member?
I am suggesting we change that.
Impeachment of a board member can be started by any member of FP.
It may be that it's too early in the morning and I haven't had enough coffee yet ... but since you made me think about this  I am right now of the opinion that it's best to let the entire membership be included in the whole process. This specific discussion is around the continued support for a board member. Board members are in place to serve the FP membership by operating the FP Association to 1) fulfill our goals (help find cures and have fun) and 2) ensure FP decisions (money, parts, etc.) are taken in the members best interests. If faith is lost (for whatever reason) in a board member to serve the membership ... then I think every member should have the right to be involved.
(BTW - these are my opinions ... as always I am looking for others to chime in as well)
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RPM Jack
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| I attempted to wordsmith some of earlier comments on the impeachment process as a jump start for the discussion; feel free to dissect it as needed! I removed the clause about the 2/3 vote in article 11 and added some additional comments about the actual impeachment process.
11) In case a board member can not perform their duty, resigns or has been removed via impeachment, the board shall, with the grounds clearly stated and defensible, call for a vote of the membership to replace said board member.
xx) Impeachment proceedings against a board member may be initiated by any member of FP via a post in the DCSP forum. Following a level of discussion in the DCSP forum deemed appropriate by the board to demonstrate the will of the membership, the President of the board will decide whether to schedule a vote by FP membership to impeach; if the President is the target of the impeachment proceedings, the First Vice-President will make the decision to proceed. A vote for impeachment by FP membership by a 2/3 majority of the votes cast will be required to remove a board member.
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simplykristi
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Metro KC | reply to Gargoyle
Re: [FP] Articles of Association - New DRAFT
I gave my approval with a thumbs up
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1 edit | P Ness suggested this in another thread: "What I propose is that the operator also have to be Voted and approved every 6 or 12 months. Why should the operators not be held to a performance standards, which yes would include behavior."
Looking at the AOA, that may already be a requirement, depending on your interpretation:
"8) The members will elect a board of directors consisting of a minimum of 5 members, all of which will serve a term of 1 year without compensation.
The board of directors shall consist of the following positions:
a. President
b. First Vice-President
c. Second Vice-President
d. Treasurer
e. Operator"
"16) Operators for FP systems will be decided by a vote of the membership. Elected Operators will also become members of the board of directors and remain so during the time they actively operate a Foldinator system. Operators must have the Foldinator system replacement cost covered by their home owners or renters insurance. "
One could interpret article 8 as mandating a yearly election of Operators along with the other board positions, as no exemption from the one year term is specified for the Operator role. Article 16 [excluding the section on insurance, which would apply to all Operators] may be more applicable for Operators that are added during the course of that one year term, as new Foldinators are funded and new Operators are needed.
Any comments? Do we want the yearly elections to include the Operator positions? |
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| said by RPM Jack :
Any comments? Do we want the yearly elections to include the Operator positions?
I fail to understand why operators are on the board at all.
Of course their input and experience would be valued but I do not see why they need to be on the board.
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| I agree. I think the impeachment clause can come into effect if there is an issue with an operator. Then the 2/3's can have their vote on the matter. It would cost lots of downtime and many lost WU's and FP funds to pack and ship the blades every 6 months as another vote rolled around. Maybe yearly, but that seem's wasteful to me as well...
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P Ness
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| said by DSLDUDE :
I agree. I think the impeachment clause can come into effect if there is an issue with an operator. Then the 2/3's can have their vote on the matter. It would cost lots of downtime and many lost WU's and FP funds to pack and ship the blades every 6 months as another vote rolled around. Maybe yearly, but that seem's wasteful to me as well...
i would think most people would be re-voted back in...? there should be little disruption
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| Well yes, but is it REALLY needed for the team to operate effectively? If someone needs to be voted out, then it should be on an impeachment "kind" of slide for an operator. The board leaders yes can change yearly, but the operators should be no question.
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P Ness
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| **additions**
There needs to be some ruling where if there is interpetation issues of the AOA that these are presented to the board for majority rule vote....
I will not be part of a orginization where if some people feel .999999=1 but some people feel .999999 does not equal 1, that a single person renders the final decision.
this is not what a board and association was created for.
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Re: [FP] Articles of Association - Your Ideas Please
A little update here for those following and giving input to this thread for the AOA.
As of today, I will be assuming the challenge of updating the AOA in order to give Garg a little air space above the waterline that is nearly over his head... 
Thanks for all your ideas to this point, and we will continue the work in the near future as I sort out where we are now.
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Tha Zone | reply to RPM Jack
Re: [FP] Articles of Association - New DRAFT
I agree that Operators should be voted on every 12 months. I understand the monies part of it but it would give all the members a more active input into the future of how the systems are ran.... |
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Re: [FP] Articles of Association - Your Ideas Please
Unless an operator is doing something wrong, they will should always get voted back in. It would also save all the mess of impeachment. If you have a problem with someone, vote them out next time.
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Sarah
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said by BadHat :
Unless an operator is doing something wrong, they will should always get voted back in. It would also save all the mess of impeachment. If you have a problem with someone, vote them out next time.
That makes a lot of sense... why on earth should operators be "operator-for-life" when everyone else is elected? It would save a lot of trouble.
A vote would also give operators a chance to say, "Hey, I don't want to do this anymore, I will not run again this year." There's no reason someone who is doing the FP a favor should feel obligated to do it forever.
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simplykristi
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Metro KC | I like that idea!
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FKrooG2
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Tha Zone | reply to Sarah
I agree. As an operator I spent about 50.00 on the electricity to run the board. That means last year I spend 600.00 on average to keep these babies up and running.... |
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1 edit | [OT] Maybe it's time to look into the possibility getting IRS (501)(C)(3) "Non-Profit" status for the FP. I know that donations to the FP would be tax deductible, but I'm not sure about anything else such as the cost of running and maintaining FP equipment. Without looking at the IRS code I would think it would be deductible.
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