indysz
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join:2003-07-26
Valparaiso, IN
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to Maxo
Re: Good Deal!
said by Maxo  :
Sure it does. Anyone on an RT can get whatever speeds are sold by that ISP.
They can sync. up at the max speed based on the distance from these offices, however, that does not mean they will get 1500k once in sync. with 1500k. It depends on the ATM's delivering the bandwidth to the customers. Cable in the past has been known to have problems with bandwidth but those companies have since gone under. I have checked into cable in several different markets and people are actually getting over what they pay for. Where as DSL you will never get 768k if on that package. My neighbor never has even hit 760kbps.... The technology is unstable.... Very. |
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Maxo
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said by indysz :
I work at an ISP and sell DSL daily... Speed has nothing to do with the CO or RT.
Sure it does. Anyone on an RT can get whatever speeds are sold by that ISP. That aside and having nothing to do with what we are getting at.
The whole node thing. Sure everyone in an area shares their CO or RT. And from those COs and RTs everyone shares up to the Access Concentrator (usually a redback but juniper is starting to make it's way into the market.) Everyone on the different ACs have to share that AC with others on it. And then from the AC everyone has to share the internet pipes. The better DSL ISPs have made sure that the COs, RTs, and ACs have enough capacity to never be running at full. Whereas with cable nodes are almost always oversold so speeds fluctuate for a lot of people. People not on oversold nodes don't have these problems.
So it's not really an issue on DSL for Cable as much as who's ISP is overselling their equipment.
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indysz
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join:2003-07-26
Valparaiso, IN
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to Maxo
I work at an ISP and sell DSL daily... Speed has nothing to do with the CO or RT. It has to do with Distance from the CO or RT (How much you sync up at is one thing). You can sync up solidly at 1500 with dsl but that doesn't mean your going to get it.... From the CO it goes into a redback router, and from the redback router it's routed to either the ISP (if you go through a differnt ISP) or the Providers ATM. This is where everyone meets and the main ATM's come together and the speed is shared. So this is a connecting point in which several lines come together. That is the exact same definition as a node. |
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Maxo
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All internet service is a shared service. But with Cable you are sharing your node with your neighbors. With DSL you are sharing at the CO or RT. And even if your pipe is clean up to the CO/RT or up to your node you are still sharing the internet with everybody else in the whole world. This was best demonstrated with the blaster worm.
The problems of oversold COs is more or less a thing of the past and is almost NEVER a problem anymore.
DSL speeds are not 670k and cable speeds are not 3400kbps. DSL speeds are based on what is available in your area and what you decide to buy. Cable speeds are which plan you decide to buy. Some people are seeing ~4000kbps/550kbps speeds with DSL for less than $50/month. It depends on where you are and who your ISP is.
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indysz
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join:2003-07-26
Valparaiso, IN
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to StarTopology
That's funny, I work at an ISP, and beleive me DSL is just as much of a shared medium as Cable. I think you should review the definition of broadband. That's the only way to make money is by overselling bandwidth. DSL is pretty slow, all my neighbors get like 670k and I test at 3400kbps on my cable (and cable has been around for 8 years where I live) |
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StarTopology
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Cable Modems are great. You just have to tell your neighbor they suck. That is really the biggest problem for cable. Unlike DSL where the customer has there own cable pair all the way back to the central office you are sharing your coax connection with those on your street. You either have neighbors that don't have a cable modem, or they are on at different times than you. |
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tiger72
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then you're one of the lucky few
in almost the whole US (except for OH i think) there are no caps at all.
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ArchAngel21x
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Lincoln, NE
·Internet Nebraska
| reply to tiger72
said by tiger72 :
said by ArchAngel21x :
With the caps cable has, the no server restrictions of DSL, plus what you just mentioned, I say DSL could start to take over. I guess most home users don't care about hosting servers, but as people use more bandwidth intensive apps the caps will become very annoying for all.
hosting servers isn't very important for a vast majority of people, and caps don't apply to many of the services. RoadRunner (for example) doesn't have any caps. Sadly only Comcast makes the news =\
Road Runner does have caps. My cap is 40 Gig per month.
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tiger72
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said by ArchAngel21x :
With the caps cable has, the no server restrictions of DSL, plus what you just mentioned, I say DSL could start to take over. I guess most home users don't care about hosting servers, but as people use more bandwidth intensive apps the caps will become very annoying for all.
hosting servers isn't very important for a vast majority of people, and caps don't apply to many of the services. RoadRunner (for example) doesn't have any caps. Sadly only Comcast makes the news =\
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Maxo
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said by dnoyeB :
hehe, I beat it. I beat it outta my house and back in that hole where it came from.
Go you, you are such a man.
said by dnoyeB :
bloatware. Why couldnt they just do DHCP like anyone else with half a brain. Instead there doing PPPOE! it requires extra software installed on your computer. Well I hear XP can handle it on its own.
Most ISPs are doing PPPoE on the modem now.
said by dnoyeB :
anyway, SBC/Yahoo was slow, required too much garbage software to be installed to use,
Most of that software isn't required and the reason they put all that software on the computer is because the average consumer actually wants it.
said by dnoyeB :
confusing (is it SBC or yahoo?),
So confusing, my head hurts, I want my mommy.
said by dnoyeB :
and spamware in that they tell you they will immediately sell your information to the devil himself.
Where?
said by dnoyeB :
SBC even has this hidden in their phone packages. So you gotta opt out of yahoo's garbage, and SBC's garbage on different levels...
What two levels are you talking about. During the installation you are given the option to have advertisements e-mailed to you and it is clear as day, not hidden anywhere or in fine print. And remember, SPAM is unsolicited e-mail. When you opt to have it sent to you that immediately makes it solicited, thus not SPAM. In conclusion you're 13. Here's your lollipop.
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indysz
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join:2003-07-26
Valparaiso, IN | reply to sraz
I pound my cable at 3mbit all night long, had cable for 6 years and never a problem or a cap.... Host a server etc... I even work for an ISP and sell DSL... I'd NEVER SWITCH to DSL my cable kills it. |
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dnoyeB
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join:2000-10-09
Southfield, MI
| reply to Sarge_0321
hehe, I beat it. I beat it outta my house and back in that hole where it came from.
bloatware. Why couldnt they just do DHCP like anyone else with half a brain. Instead there doing PPPOE! it requires extra software installed on your computer. Well I hear XP can handle it on its own.
anyway, SBC/Yahoo was slow, required too much garbage software to be installed to use, confusing (is it SBC or yahoo?), and spamware in that they tell you they will immediately sell your information to the devil himself.
SBC even has this hidden in their phone packages. So you gotta opt out of yahoo's garbage, and SBC's garbage on different levels...
Neva!
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sraz
join:2003-06-07
Tucson, AZ
| reply to ArchAngel21x
Yeah the caps on cable suck, I hope to get DSL at my new house especially that new T1 speed tier. Going thru a local ISP I can get the fast service for 37.99/month. I WILL feel sorry for those on cable with the 200k uploads.
I should be close to one of these RT's
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Winerin
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join:2002-03-30
Woodland Hills, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to Sarge_0321
said by Sarge_0321 :
At $29.95... the 768-1.5 mbit/128k DSL package from SBC is hard to beat.
Most people wouldn't need more.
It's a great deal. I don't need faster upload and the download speed is fast enough for what I do. And from my experience with cable, DSL is much more stable when gaming. |
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Maxo
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said by ArchAngel21x :
128 up is enough to host a Web site?
It's just a personal site and it does the trick especially since it is an essentialy free site.
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Fobulous
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Missouri City, TX
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i dunno about that with $45/month of basic phone service.
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ArchAngel21x
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Lincoln, NE | reply to Maxo
128 up is enough to host a Web site? |
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Maxo
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With me personally this is the sticking point that makes me stay with DSL. Even though my speeds aren't that great (512/128) I don't really need more and being able to run my servers is very sweet. While my cable I had previously offered better speeds my DSL is more consistent and stable.
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ArchAngel21x
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·Internet Nebraska
| reply to Sarge_0321
With the caps cable has, the no server restrictions of DSL, plus what you just mentioned, I say DSL could start to take over. I guess most home users don't care about hosting servers, but as people use more bandwidth intensive apps the caps will become very annoying for all.
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Sarge_0321
join:2002-06-27
San Diego, CA
1 edit | At $29.95... the 768-1.5 mbit/128k DSL package from SBC is hard to beat.
Most people wouldn't need more. |
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