FLECOM
Bay Networks Freak
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join:2003-03-03
Miami, FL
| 2.5/1.3??!
uhh... i want 1.3mbits of upload plz... 
i woulder what the hams ended up doing? they are still protesting this no?
cool how they use wifi to give people access, but i forsee some issues there with security of data and unauthorized access... hrmm, free BPL? hehe
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NewLife
Just Keep Swimming, Just Keep Swimming
join:2001-07-31
Calhoun, GA | Hell yeah. Thats what I am talking about. 2.5 down may not be quite as fast as I'd like but that 1.3 upload is sweet. Hamradios, we don't need no stinking ham radios what we need is bandwidth baby. |
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kfolsom
Where the fit hits the shan
Premium
join:2003-01-31
Yucaipa, CA
 ·Verizon west (ex G..
| said by NewLife  :
Hell yeah. Thats what I am talking about. 2.5 down may not be quite as fast as I'd like but that 1.3 upload is sweet. Hamradios, we don't need no stinking ham radios what we need is bandwidth baby.
Great. Just what we need... Another ham hater.
Just try to complete your upload when the neighborhood ham starts operating, or CBer, or any transmission within the passband of BPL. Then you'll be on terminal hold with your ISP/utility company to complain; after all that, you still will have no resolution, nor will you have any upload(nor download, for that matter). Your ISP/utility will not be able to stop the RF in your neighborhood from happening. In fact, if your operations cause interference to us, your pipe will be choked or taken down altogether.
Can't we just stop hating and baiting the hams?
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
| reply to NewLife
No you won't hear from us here but you will hear from us online. Remember you are a type 15 device so while you will interfere with us, type 15 rules means if we and other
service which use these frequency are harmed you are shut down. In the mean time if any of the stake holders on these
frequencies being type 96 devices can cream, and will cream
your shoot'm dead game and there is nothing you can do about it. Well fellow Hamradio operators do you think this
crap technology will interfer with us if we switch to FM on HF bands?
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technick
Premium
join:2000-12-16
Loganville, GA | reply to kfolsom
I have nothing against HAM, it's actually tasty for christmas, and other seasonal dinners. |
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kfolsom
Where the fit hits the shan
Premium
join:2003-01-31
Yucaipa, CA
·Verizon west (ex G..
| reply to FLECOM
said by FLECOM :
i woulder what the hams ended up doing? they are still protesting this no?
cool how they use wifi to give people access, but i forsee some issues there with security of data and unauthorized access... hrmm, free BPL? hehe
We hams are still here, but most of us have stopped protesting on this forum. We are, for the most part, waiting for it to come to our neighborhoods, operating as normal and killing it naturally, at which time (when BPL customers bail out because of RFI), utilities that offer it will have to discontinue offers... Then they will raise rates to astronomical levels to pay their backers and investors.
Yes, the Wi-Fi portion of the tech is cool.
The battle continues.
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kfolsom
Where the fit hits the shan
Premium
join:2003-01-31
Yucaipa, CA
·Verizon west (ex G..
| reply to Transmaster
said by Transmaster :
Well fellow Hamradio operators do you think this
crap technology will interfer with us if we switch to FM on HF bands?
Nope... We can also go digital. Digital SSB is a great new technique that we hams have adopted recently.
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
 ·Optimum Online
|  reply to Transmaster
said by Transmaster :
No you won't hear from us here but you will hear from us online. Remember you are a type 15 device so while you will interfere with us, type 15 rules means if we and other
service which use these frequency are harmed you are shut down. In the mean time if any of the stake holders on these
frequencies being type 96 devices can cream, and will cream
your shoot'm dead game and there is nothing you can do about it. Well fellow Hamradio operators do you think this
crap technology will interfer with us if we switch to FM on HF bands?
FM would probably work but the bandwidth waste would be terrible. I do not recall what the absolute minimum NBFM deviation for intelligible audio would be but I think 2.5kHz would be about right. So double that and add another one or two kHz for buffer and we are up to around 7kHz for one voice channel (now that I think of it, i think the minimum "channel" separation on newer NBFM equipment is 6.25kHz). Plus the heterodynes would be a pain as well.
OTOH, if you reside in a BPL infested area, why not switch to RTTY or PSK31 and run a few 10 minute continuous data transmissions with other friendly hams. Perfectly legal.  |
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Vamp
5c077
Premium
join:2003-01-28
MD
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to kfolsom
said by kfolsom :
said by NewLife :
Hell yeah. Thats what I am talking about. 2.5 down may not be quite as fast as I'd like but that 1.3 upload is sweet. Hamradios, we don't need no stinking ham radios what we need is bandwidth baby.
Great. Just what we need... Another ham hater.
Just try to complete your upload when the neighborhood ham starts operating, or CBer, or any transmission within the passband of BPL. Then you'll be on terminal hold with your ISP/utility company to complain; after all that, you still will have no resolution, nor will you have any upload(nor download, for that matter). Your ISP/utility will not be able to stop the RF in your neighborhood from happening. In fact, if your operations cause interference to us, your pipe will be choked or taken down altogether.
Can't we just stop hating and baiting the hams?
No, ham radio is the past, computers are the future, get over it!! :P
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kfolsom
Where the fit hits the shan
Premium
join:2003-01-31
Yucaipa, CA
·Verizon west (ex G..
| reply to technick
Re: 2.5/1.3??!
said by technick :
I have nothing against HAM, it's actually tasty for christmas, and other seasonal dinners.
I eat ham at all holiday dinners with my family. I wonder if that makes me a cannibal in some way?
I really don't mean to "Rodney King" all over the place. This BPL/radio people war is just going too far. Thanks for lightening the forum a little bit...:D
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kfolsom
Where the fit hits the shan
Premium
join:2003-01-31
Yucaipa, CA
·Verizon west (ex G..
| reply to n2jtx
said by n2jtx :
OTOH, if you reside in a BPL infested area, why not switch to RTTY or PSK31 and run a few 10 minute continuous data transmissions with other friendly hams. Perfectly legal.
The part that I think is so germain to this view of fighting BPL (on our own terms) is that we don't even have to do anything out of the ordinary... Just operate as normal and let physics take over.
But your way would work, too...;)
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Beaker74
join:2003-11-21
Saint Louis, MO
| reply to kfolsom
I posted about this stupid war last BPL story. Until there's a meaningful service area in this country. I'll withold my judgement on whether BPL can work or not.
People, people, people. Just monitor how the trials are going. I'm sure if Radio people get interference, the country is going to hear about it.
And people who want BPL? If BPL is viable and non-interfering, then more power to you. If not, meh, nice try, go back to the drawing board. I have faith there will be a third alternative to Broadband soon, whether by BPL or wireless, or whatever. |
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kv5e
Ride Free
Premium
join:2001-12-04
Mesquite, TX
| reply to Vamp
Digital technology and computers are the rage in ham radio!
Mesh networking on 802.11x under Part 97 rules....Wireless mobile ethernet on 1.2 GHz with DStar, Perceptually coded voice with data interleaved with soft panel interfacing to you PDA or laptop with DStar, ad infinitum.
Yes, there is still the SSB/Voice only Hams, but a lot of new blood is infusing the hobby with programming, hardware, and integration skills.
kv5e |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| reply to kfolsom
said by kfolsom :
Can't we just stop hating and baiting the hams?
I AGREE. every one of these BPL stories after the first few posts becomes a ham/antiham squabble.
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FWIW i think these speeds were obtained under VERY OPTIMAL CONDITIONS. under real world use you'd probably see levels of service equivelent to charters bronze package(512/128)
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to NewLife
said by NewLife :
Hell yeah. Thats what I am talking about. 2.5 down may not be quite as fast as I'd like but that 1.3 upload is sweet. Hamradios, we don't need no stinking ham radios what we need is bandwidth baby.
Still not getting your porn fast enough? 
Face it. If those numbers are real, then how long before they cut that back to save money on bandwidth? Comcast is already kicking off people with invisible caps as is Rogers and other ISP's. How long before BPL does the same thing? |
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w2co
join:2003-07-16
Longmont, CO
| reply to NewLife
I'm sorry to inform you that the speed posted was with minimal users connected to the system at that time. They wanted it to look it's very best for the chairman's visit. You can bet it will drop harshly when the real user load gets connected to the node. I wouldn't be surprised if it goes down to 128K or less with the userloads they are projecting. Don't forget all those unlicensed CBer's out there who operate with bookoo power and are mobile too. There are many more CBers per square mile, I think, then the hams who operate legally. Now when anyone with 1KW keys up within 5 or 10 blocks of your house, your connection speed will drop dramatically if not drop altogether. And don't forget - the hams do this legally! The FCC rules for hams say that the minimum power should be run for reliable communications. With BPL in place we will need at least 1KW all the time to reach even the west coast. And don't forget part 15 rules say that you are a part 15 device and may not cause any interference to licensed services. Also any interference to BPL caused by a licensed service is just too bad! Beware |
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w2co
join:2003-07-16
Longmont, CO
| reply to FLECOM
Who cares if they use wifi to access the last .25mile. It really doesn't matter when you're thinking about security. For that matter anyone sending secure info on a secure line will eventually end up on one of the BPL radiating wires somewhere. These wires will radiate the signal anywhere from a few tens of miles to thousands of miles depending on band conditions. It's going to be a hackers dream. |
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