JakeToday
@Dial1.Atl
| reply to kingofdsl
Re: [Services] My DSL going up $2.97
Re: your DSL bill. You might like this news. This week I found the site below as to wireless options being tested by companies (BellSouth is one of the companies). Maybe this new wireless, non-line-of-sight technology will help rural residents like me who have no DSL or cable options, and will help you price-wise by making the bandwidth market more competitive. Maybe the price for residential broadband wireless access (BWA) will be cheaper than the BellSouth DSL price you pay, even if BellSouth is the one selling the service.
Check out the Business Communications Review's article about BWA at »www.bcr.com/bcrmag/2003/11/p18s1.asp
Re: carrier cost recovery fee (CCRF), I found thelinks below concerning CCRF as to BellSouth's long-distance (LD) service, the "Dollar Value Plan" and its other long-distance plans. Perhaps you can find CCRF info. online re: BS DSL.
»www.tariffs.net/bsld/index.mv?co···93858381 or go directly to the "Residential Services Pricing and Service Guide" at »www.tariffs.net/tariffs/481/Res_···uide.pdf.
A portion of the paragraph about changes to the Carrier Cost Recovery Fee states that the CCR "fee will apply in full for any portion of a billing period in which the Customer has applicable interstate or international charges.".... (Read the full content at the link above.)
The BellSouth representative I spoke with today, April Fool's Day 2004, said the CCR fee of 99 cents/month per line is charged every month whether I make a LD call or not and whether or not I call out of state. Is it that the $1 base charge is considered the "applicable" charge that triggers the CCR fee, so that, in essence, it is the potential for action, for placing a state-to-state or international call, that triggers it? Maybe so.
Maybe finding the CCRF disclosure appropriate to DSL will help you when you look into it further; I know $2.97 extra per month bites, even a "legal" $2.97 charge.
I have always appreciated BellSouth--its telephone service and its representatives (although I've been long tired of the 26.4 Kpbs dial-up speed); but, perhaps discontinuing BellSouth entirely and using only my cell phone is an option. Hmm, a nice savings plan.
The airlines in the recent past were required to disclose their fees with their promotions, to avoid the sticker shock to their travelers (not to mention the animus). The same requirement of BellSouth would be appropriate: "...you will pay $2.19 per month per phone line if you sign up for Bell South's 10-cents-per-minute long-distance plan, whether you call intrastate, state-to-state or internationally.
From whom did BellSouth learn to charge cost recovery fees? Note the $6.50/month FCC charge [TAX] (plus $7.00/month FCC charge per additional line) to "recover costs associated with connecting to a telecommunication service provider's interstate network."
Best wishes.
Jake |
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clecrupt9
join:2002-01-22
GA
| reply to kingofdsl
said by kingofdsl  :
As long as Monopolies backed by the Government and allowing said Monopolies to get away with double talk "regulated recovery fees not mandated by a regulatory or Government entity", today's speech is 110% pure Bullcrap.
The U.S. will continue to slide down the Slow Speed Ladder compared to the rest of the world. We are currently 11th in deployment and dropping fast.
Could not agree more. We seem held hostage to the giving back of that monopoly, and even then the track record shows we still might not get the end goal.
There is no such thing as regulatory certainty, unless you are no longer regulated. Should that be the price of FTTH?
All it will take to end this stupid game is someone to actually lead at one of these companies. I had hoped it would be VZ, I guess we'll see.
What an utter shame such a good network and now the internet is in these hands. |
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tomsprat
Draw Me A "Cold One"
Premium,ExMod 2002-04
join:2000-11-03
Fort Lauderdale, FL
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| reply to pro7070
Wow, with over 200 posts, I don't have time to read through this entire thread, so apologize if this has already been mentioned, but I found this article to be rather interesting and ironic.
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hailinfantry
Bizarro Quinn
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join:2004-01-18
Brooklyn, NY
| reply to kingofdsl
"Last year the agency decided that the dominant local telephone companies like BellSouth Corp. (NYSE:BLS - news) did not have to offer rivals access to new fiber optic lines -- key for full broadband deployment -- at low, government-mandated rates."
Good! The government shouldn't sponsor corporate gang rape. Likewise, the government shouldn't use *my* money to give bubba in hobunk broadband. The internet is available to anyone with phone service. Working toward universal broadband is a noble goal...however it shouldn't utilize federal tax dollars. |
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kingofdsl
join:2002-12-11
Afton, OK
| reply to hailinfantry
»news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u···nd_dc_13
The President called for "universal, affordable access to broadband technology by the year 2007," Bush said. "And then we ought to make sure as soon as possible thereafter consumers have plenty of choices."
Another LIE.
As long as Monopolies backed by the Government and allowing said Monopolies to get away with double talk "regulated recovery fees not mandated by a regulatory or Government entity", today's speech is 110% pure Bullcrap.
The U.S. will continue to slide down the Slow Speed Ladder compared to the rest of the world. We are currently 11th in deployment and dropping fast.
"It's important that we stay on the cutting edge of technological change, and one way to do so is to have a bold plan for broadband," he said. Bush did not elaborate on how he would accomplish the 2007 goal.
Federal Communications Commission (news - web sites) Chairman Michael Powell has pushed an agenda to reduce the regulations on telephone companies, which in the past have had to share their networks with rivals because of their dominance in serving homes.
"I look forward to working with my commission colleagues, Congress and the administration to deliver on this vision for the American people," Powell said in a statement.
Last year the agency decided that the dominant local telephone companies like BellSouth Corp. (NYSE:BLS - news) did not have to offer rivals access to new fiber optic lines -- key for full broadband deployment -- at low, government-mandated rates.
Congress has so far been unable to renew a ban on taxing the monthly fees that Internet providers like EarthLink Inc. (NasdaqNM:ELNK - news) charge customers. |
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hailinfantry
Bizarro Quinn
Premium
join:2004-01-18
Brooklyn, NY
| reply to MonkeyLicker
said by MonkeyLicker :
said by hailinfantry :
Monkeylicker, THAT ISN'T THE PURPOSE OF THIS THREAD. All you have to do is hang out in the Comcrap forum for a bit.
Yeah, cause this threads really smoking hot with great info....
I was just curious because I'm a little at a loss as to why you spend so much time attacking a company that doesn't even know you exist.
If they don't know I exist, then that is just another reason I don't want HSI from them. |
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Zoder
join:2002-04-16
Miami, FL
| reply to Dan Koerner
In light of the price increase, here is a news.com article posted today dealing with broadband prices and what most consumers are willing to pay.
»news.com.com/2100-1032-5178050.h···nefd_hed |
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Dan Koerner
join:2000-08-05
Clinton, TN
1 edit | reply to hailinfantry
said by hailinfantry :
Don't let the ATM cloud hit you on your way out.
Can't wait until you have to contact Comcast for connection issue 
The ATM cloud was toooo sloooow....  I guess it was weighted down with the over-pricing and bad lines... 
As for as connection/line issues, BellSouth is NO better. They have never fixed my line... not since 1980 except for a few short periods after a repair. For 2.5 years, until I was able to get a Westell 2200, I had continuous DSL connection problems, particularly during rainy weather. 
I reported the rainy condition. BS rolled truck after truck... only after the sun had been shining for two days. No problem. Right...
I only requested DSL be disconnected. The morons also disconnected my POTS... no dial tone now. Repair service said it is a line problem (right) and will be repaired by 6 PM tomorrow. Note; that is 36 hrs., if done by then. My new cable modem from Best Buy died after ~24 hrs. A round trip to BB, and 10 min. on the phone for the connection issue and I am back on line... ~2 hrs. is not bad for a cable connection issue...
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MonkeyLicker
join:2004-02-03
Hixson, TN
| reply to hailinfantry
said by hailinfantry :
Monkeylicker, THAT ISN'T THE PURPOSE OF THIS THREAD. All you have to do is hang out in the Comcrap forum for a bit.
Yeah, cause this threads really smoking hot with great info....
I was just curious because I'm a little at a loss as to why you spend so much time attacking a company that doesn't even know you exist. |
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graysonf
Premium,MVM
join:1999-07-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL | reply to justin
said by justin :
which ISP is that?
DSLi. |
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hailinfantry
Bizarro Quinn
Premium
join:2004-01-18
Brooklyn, NY | reply to MonkeyLicker
Monkeylicker, THAT ISN'T THE PURPOSE OF THIS THREAD. All you have to do is hang out in the Comcrap forum for a bit. |
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MonkeyLicker
join:2004-02-03
Hixson, TN | reply to pro7070
hailinfantry, what kind of problems did you have with Comcast when you had them? |
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justin
Australian
join:1999-05-28
Brooklyn, NY | reply to graysonf
which ISP is that? |
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hailinfantry
Bizarro Quinn
Premium
join:2004-01-18
Brooklyn, NY | reply to MonkeyLicker
LOL, that isn't the purpose of this thread. Just head on up to the Comcrap forum and sit a spell. |
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graysonf
Premium,MVM
join:1999-07-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL | reply to justin
My ISP is one such that is all inclusive. But their page has other problems they need to also take care of in addition to asking for this relief. Why they haven't done this is a mystery to me. |
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justin
Australian
join:1999-05-28
Brooklyn, NY
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| reply to graysonf
if an ISP has the balls to state an all-inclusive price, someone lets us know and that warning vanishes, and a radio light appears saying fees are "all inclusive".
the list of such ISPs is pretty small so far.
»User reviews - Lightning Bolt DSL
»User reviews - SONIC.NET
»User reviews - Covad Communications
»User reviews - TulsaConnect
»User reviews - Other World Computing - OWCNET
»User reviews - Quasar Global Broadband, Inc. |
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graysonf
Premium,MVM
join:1999-07-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL
| reply to Drex
Most ISP adds have this warning on their add page:
"Warning: the prices this company quote may not be INCLUSIVE OF UNIVERSAL SERVICE FEE! more information."
If you read the material linked to more information, you'll see why listing the exact charges that vary state by state would be impractical at best, and up to the ISP to maintain the page current, not DSLReports. See:
»Site FAQ »On the ISP listing pages I see a warning about USF |
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Drex
Beer..It's What's For Dinner
Premium
join:2000-02-24
La Place, LA | reply to justin
Justin,
Is there a plan to include these "fees" when providing the prices on BBR?
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justin
Australian
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Brooklyn, NY
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| reply to craigham
said by craigham :
Speakeasy, come to Florida, please!
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but speakeasy has not one but TWO add-on fees. One for USF, and the other hilarious one which basically reads: "cost recovery fee for doing paperwork we have to do by law". |
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MonkeyLicker
join:2004-02-03
Hixson, TN
| reply to hailinfantry
said by hailinfantry :
Don't let the ATM cloud hit you on your way out.
Can't wait until you have to contact Comcast for connection issue
What kind of problems did you have when you had Comcast? |
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