FLECOM
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Re: anti-piracy vigilante the wrong way
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FLECOM
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OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE10-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Abuse
OrgAbusePhone: +1-703-345-3416
OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@rr.com
hrmm? 
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FLECOM
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i dont understand the reasoning behind logging/organizing by the PID... i was looking through the list of PID's in there and they match other apps i have running like my SNMP services or vncserver and such... and ASFAIK these numbers are sort of random no?
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MxxCon
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said by NeenerNeener  :
It's possible you downloaded after Clif posted the results on Neowin. Judging from your attitude and blatant lying on Neowin, I doubt it.
what's my attitude? and what blatant lying are you talking about?
said by NeenerNeener :
Judging from the EFF footer on Neowin, I'd highly doubt it.
my signature on neowin to EFF is for the same reason as sivran , somebody who seem to support your actions, has his link! to educate people about TCPA...i don't know what context you think i have it for..
said by NeenerNeener :
Yes, a hex editor was used to get that data.
nope, no hex editor was used. and why are you so sure? are you saying your malware also uploads process list?
said by NeenerNeener :
I don't know why I reply to your obviously immature and unintelligent replies.
don't like it when majority of people don't approve of your spyware/malware practices
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S k i p p y
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"I still live at home with my mommy and my daddy. And we have fun! We play games!! We eat Ice Cream!!"
I guess this answers everything. It is also implied that he is the oldest of the group, with 5 years web building experience, so this leads me to believe that the other 2 really are 14yr old script kiddies. |
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MxxCon
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said by Thrawn2 :
Poetic justice would be finding these guys ips and then just post it ever where, so Say a DOS or Malicious file can be giving to them.
*DISCLAIMER* IM only saying that would be funny.
well, i found this info
Griffin, Clifton clifgriffin@jsventures.com
Blogzine
503 Piedmont St.
Reidsville, North Carolina 27320
United States
3364327174
Name: gso31-106-207.triad.rr.com
Address: 24.31.106.207
it's all publicly available info so it's perfectly legal
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DivineDark
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This exe will soon be labeled a trojan virus. If it already is not. Any software that does what this does is a trojan. No getting around that. |
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MxxCon
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This exe will soon be labeled a trojan virus. If it already is not. Any software that does what this does is a trojan. No getting around that.
i submitted it to symantec(no update in definitions yet), would be nice if folks would submit it to other antivirus vendors
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catseyenu
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Try this:
To submit a Suspected Malware
thanks, i submitted it to those addresses
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Kalford
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Can't say I agree with the methods, but the motive is certainly understandable and I have to say that the pathetic whining and outrage that it will cause from all the leach-2-leach morons is pricelessly amusing indeed.
At the very least, it certainly adds up for a good morning laugh, Thanks, Cliff and Justin. 
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clifgriffin
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What if, what if, what if?
When does it end with you people?
Tell me, what harm has been done to anyone who downloaded it? I simply know they used my software. Just like I know visitors to my website used my website....I don't have a privacy policy, I could post that info anyday of the week.
And MxxCon I consider posting my address and personal info everywhere a threat. I'd appreciate it if any administrator would limit this activity. The information is public, but I don't appreciate you spamming the internet with it.
Oh and "If you say you don't have pirated software, you're a liar." what the crap is that supposed to mean? Justin, of Justin and Clif uses BSD and open source software soley.
I gave up piracy a long time ago, get a life.
You ugys still seem attached to this notion that we are tracking these executions for anything more than research. Our list proves no illegal activity, it's a threat to no one at all.
Grow up. Seriously. |
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clifgriffin
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For those of you unaware, our dear friend MxxCon is a vocal supporter of "EFF". »www.eff.org/
The EFF is infamous for its support of pirates on extremly shaky "moral" reasoning. It's a big conspiracy. They are all out to get you. And you SHOULD be able to steal software/music because of X.*
*Not that we condone this. Har har.
There's a large credibility gap here MxxCon. You're absolute hatred for us and what we did is quite revealing. You like the idea of being able to get free software whenever you want it, and you don't want anyone else telling you you shouldn't.
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atangel
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1 edit | Can't tit for tat Clif....
Just cause you think they're wrong doesn't make your being wrong OK. Clever, but still.
Again, a situation where any twiddling software FW would stop these guys.
Edit: Typo AND
Looks likely they MAY have updated their web site due to this thread:
quote:
Update:
Some people think this is illegal. They think it's entrapment or we are
stealing data. They think this is some type of malware. It's not.
First, this can't be entrapment. We aren't reporting these people to anyone in
the law enforment field, even though we should be.
Second, it's not malware. It doesn't modify, add, or delete files other
then itself.
So, to the pirates out there who think this is in some way illegal, it's
not. However, what you do is illegal.
Men With No Titles: Clifton Griffin and Justin X. B.
E-mail: pirateproject@blogzine.net
Website: »blogzine.net
Maybe what you are doing isn't illegal (wrong. But wrong and illegal aren't nec the same thing, we all know). But because you put a file you created up for share, what they are doing (sharing) ISN'T Illegal either. (File name arguments aside as chump change that won't mean much in the grand scheme of things). |
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exocet_cm
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I support the EFF...but thats a different issue.
Clifgriffin, question: The file names that you are using to distribute your program, are they names of known copyrighted material? IE: "Windows" or "Gateway" or "(insert known copyrighted program/move/file name here)"?
§ 106A. Rights of certain authors to attribution and integrity37
"Rights of Attribution and Integrity. — Subject to section 107 and independent of the exclusive rights provided in section 106, the author of a work of visual art —
(B) to prevent the use of his or her name as the author of any work of visual art which he or she did not create;
(2) shall have the right to prevent the use of his or her name as the author of the work of visual art in the event of a distortion, mutilation, or other modification of the work which would be prejudicial to his or her honor or reputation; and"
although, I do not think that the above paragraph will apply to you.
However, the information you have collected about the individuals with your program, since you collected it under false pretenses, actually prevents you from bringing it to the authorities because you collected it under false pretenses, it will also be a federal offense vs a state offense because your program and the information you collected crossed state lines...
As far as your program goes up to this point (and without any further knowledge of the subject matter) I feel that, although wrong, the program has not violated any federal law (not sure about state law). A person's IP address can be obtainted in other ways not just by using the said program.
As for the renaming of your program with the names of other works, I'm putting in a call to the US Copyright Office as soon as they open. If anybody is interested:
Public Information Office: (202) 707-3000
Information specialists are on duty to answer questions by phone from 8:30 a.m. to 5 p.m., eastern time, Monday-Friday, except federal holidays. Recorded information is also available.
and the link for the above text can be found: »www.copyright.gov/about.html#hours
At this point, and until somebody can shed more light on the subject matter from a legal standpoint, I think that the only thing right now that the said program can be labeled as is a Trojan, and whatever steps neccessary to inform whoever about it to take the proper action in providing a means to block it.
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clifgriffin
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Thanks for a reasonable reply.
Short answer is no. 99% of them are "X Program +keygen +crack +monkeymanwithpurpletights.exe".
My files don't claim to be copyrighted works, they claim to be illegal hacks of legitimate works.
There are a few file names in there that could probably be construed as the opposite but even those have telltale illegal marks like "+serial".
We took a list of files being shared on the gnutella network and created a bunch of dummy files.
I'm interested in the legality of this as well...for obvious reasons...but I haven't really seen anything directly applicable to what my software does yet. I see this as no different than the RIAA putting scrambled versions of popular songs all over Kazaa to keep people from getting legit copies.
As for the EFF, fine. I guess it depends what your reasons are. If you are soley interested in your privacy, that's one thing but I see a lot of little kid fans around that are looking for nothing more than justification. The EFF attacks virtually every piece of legislation that tries to protect copyright holders. They'll pick it apart and take minor issues and make them the only issue. I have troubles with that kind of activism.
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said by clifgriffin:
And MxxCon I consider posting my address and personal info everywhere a threat. I'd appreciate it if any administrator would limit this activity. The information is public, but I don't appreciate you spamming the internet with it.
Hey its just like your buddy Justin said about the whois records. Its all public so its legal in every way, shape, form and fashion. If we want to go into every forum on BBR and post your personal info we can cause guess what? its all public. Se you and your little buddy Justing should have thought about all that before you came here and started anything. It wouldn't have been so bad if you would posted a screen stating what it did and things of that nature but you didn't. Really I consider you nothing but a hacker.
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Wills
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I think this is amazing. I mean, this is really cool.
You guys call these two vigilantes, but that's not what they are in essence. To be a vigilantee, you first must have laws for them to over step.
There is nothing illegal in what they are doing. If you download a virus off my system, I'm not breaking any laws. Your the retard that downloaded it. These guys are doing the same thing.
They are putting out "bait" in disguise of popular software cracks, and then calling you on it in front of your own eyes.
Are you guys afraid of what their software does or are you afraid of your own hipocrisy being revealed?
My guess is the later...
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novaflare
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| said by Wills :
I think this is amazing. I mean, this is really cool.
You guys call these two vigilantes, but that's not what they are in essence. To be a vigilantee, you first must have laws for them to over step.
There is nothing illegal in what they are doing. If you download a virus off my system, I'm not breaking any laws. Your the retard that downloaded it. These guys are doing the same thing.
They are putting out "bait" in disguise of popular software cracks, and then calling you on it in front of your own eyes.
Are you guys afraid of what their software does or are you afraid of your own hipocrisy being revealed?
My guess is the later...
No heres whats going to happen after a while the crackers and pirates they are after will get wise and start renameing the exe to legit freeware programs of which there are 1000s. how about a bogus virus cleaner like one for msblast? or some demo program. Thats where the problem is the crackers and pirates will redistribute this program so that even people who have never downloaded a crack or pirate copy of software get their ip on this list. There will be no way to determin if the person who started it was infact a crack downloader or some one who dled the latest game demo or mod for the laterst game and my bet is they realy dont give a damn they are high on their power trip.
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TheEternalTroll
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Said by Cliff Griffin:
"I see this as no different than the RIAA putting scrambled versions of popular songs all over Kazaa to keep people from getting legit copies."
Moot point. Oh but there is a big difference. The RIAA is the copyright owner of those names. You are not the owner of anything. |
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