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jansson_mark
Markus Jansson
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| Re: Bottom up security As I have sayed before, people who cause trouble to other people should be made pay for it. If someones computer gets infected with trojan that spams me, well... If that person would have to pay me, he would have some motivation to LEARN about computer security and do something about it. Ofcourse, they cant ever be 100% safe, but come on... As long as people who create havoc to the net dont have to pay, they dont care. Its as simple as that.
Nobody thinks that people who dont know how to drive should drive car, because they can and will damage other people and cause problems. Everybody can agree, that if they do it anyway, atleast they should pay for the damages they cause.
For some strange reason, this same logic does NOT go with internet. People who dont know how to use computers and net use them anyway. And when they cause problems to other people, they dont have to pay for it.
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| Re: Bottom up security
Except that the necessary political structures required to police the licensing of Internet users are exactly those structures that would have inhibited the growth of the Internet, not to mention most of your security hobby!
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| For some strange reason, this same logic does NOT go with internet. People who dont know how to use computers and net use them anyway. And when they cause problems to other people, they dont have to pay for it.
I think that "intention" needs to be added into the mix. I don't blame "ignorant" people for making "mistakes" because they do not know any better, but I do blame "stupid" people who intentionally do not secure their systems and continue in risky Internet behaviour that affects others. Also, those who use their computers to rave havic on the Net (i.e., Hackers and Crackers), I blame them as well and they should be held liable for their activities.
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| | Bobby_Peru
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1 edit | Re: Bottom up security said by jansson_mark  :
For some strange reason, this same logic does NOT go with internet. People who dont know how to use computers and net use them anyway. And when they cause problems to other people, they dont have to pay for it.
said by anthrorules :
I think that "intention" needs to be added into the mix. I don't blame "ignorant" people for making "mistakes" because they do not know any better, but I do blame "stupid" people who intentionally do not secure their systems and continue in risky Internet behaviour that affects others. Also, those who use their computers to rave havic on the Net (i.e., Hackers and Crackers), I blame them as well and they should be held liable for their activities.
Seems like both these thoughts are correct. While it is true that ignorance is a huge problem, there must come a point past which such a lack of knowledge of even the most basic and simple facts that are all readily ascertainable (unless one is purposefully avoiding such information), a user (citizen, [edit: corporate official, corporation] elected and non-elected governmental official, armed force member, media....) is held accountable for damages resulting from his/her acts/omissions just as if they did "know better", regardless of their actual state of knowledge or intent, under the theory that to act else-wise is simply so irresponsible, and grossly recklessly endangers others, as to either imply "knowledge" and "intent", or to deem the act or omission itself a violation and not require actual "knowledge" or "intent" (intent only to go online). | |
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jansson_mark
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| said by anthrorules :
I don't blame "ignorant" people for making "mistakes" because they do not know any better, but I do blame "stupid" people who intentionally do not secure their systems and continue in risky Internet behaviour that affects others.
Information about viruses or other computer security stuff is in the news almost every week. Its there. Most people just dont care. Its like there are reminders about terrible road accidents in the news all the time and still some people drive very fast in bad weather, drink while driving, etc. etc.
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Also, those who use their computers to rave havic on the Net (i.e., Hackers and Crackers), I blame them as well and they should be held liable for their activities.
Thats pretty much as holding gun manufacturers responsible for killing that are done using guns.
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