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Oinktastic

join:2005-08-24
Scarborough

Just wondering...

Does your $35/month price include the modem rental fee?

Also, have you considered a Bell wholesaler like Teksavvy, Velcom, Acanac, Caneris, Ebox etc..?
killiar

join:2008-11-22
Innisfil, ON
·Bell Sympatico
·Rogers Portable In..

Re: Just wondering...

The $35.00 a month does include the modem rental fee.
I have considered Teksavvy and Acanac. However the speeds were a bit of a turnoff for me. Since it says 5mbps download. I'm getting 6mbps, I don't know if I want to drop 1mbps (as little as that sounds ,I'm paranoid).

Teksavvy looked great to me. Especially their unlimited / 200GB a month limit (but Bell is trying to change that).

Either way, at the time I like Bell personally, until they pull a move that rips me off (it's probably coming).

Oinktastic

join:2005-08-24
Scarborough
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·3 Web

Re: Just wondering...

That's a decent deal, as long as it's not just a promotion and also depending how much usage you actually need in a month.

You're actually on a 7Mbit fastpath sync profile, but with the 15% PPPoE overhead, you're left with around 6Mbit. That's the reality of DSL speeds. The same goes for the upload. You're synced at around 1Mbit, possibly a tiny bit less, but after PPPoE overhead, you're left with ~700Kbit.

20ms ping to local servers is about what you should be getting. If it's consistently low like that, I'm happy for you. Often you only see really consistent pings like that on very underused portions of Bell's network. They tend to oversubscribe in many areas, and then claim 'congestion'.

If you notice nightly slowdowns or throttling, that's just Bell's little way of saying "I love you"
killiar

join:2008-11-22
Innisfil, ON

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Re: Just wondering...

Thanks for the response
langez

join:2009-11-18
I find it funny how about 4-5 years ago a 3Meg connection was considered to be "fast" but now 5Meg isn't good enough for people....

Oinktastic

join:2005-08-24
Scarborough
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·3 Web


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Re: Just wondering...

said by langez See Profile :

I find it funny how about 4-5 years ago a 3Meg connection was considered to be "fast" but now 5Meg isn't good enough for people....
3Meg WAS fast 4-5 years ago. The available content did not require anywhere near as much bandwidth as it does today. Youtube et al. were just getting started and web sites were much smaller and simpler compared to today's interactive and media-laden beasts.

Plus, throttling makes my 5Meg connection feel much slower than yesterday's 3Meg connection... Not to mention that I have 4 internet users in my household now, whereas it used to be 1-2.

Also, I'm noticing more and more of my neighbours are getting connections as well. Every time someone else signs up, that means less pipe for your data, given Bhell's policy of neglecting to upgrade their equipment.

Sorry for ruining your review, killiar.
killiar

join:2008-11-22
Innisfil, ON
·Bell Sympatico
·Rogers Portable In..

Re: Just wondering...

You didn't ruin my review. I enjoy feedback and reading other input from users .

Thankfully, I have not seen many if any effects of throttling. The reason I want more then 5Meg is because of my Apple TV takes a lot of bandwidth on me, and most members in my house use the Apple TV while I'm downloading and performing tasks. 5Meg for Apple TV is not enough if I'm going to be uploading files to my server, or downloading some new tools.

If you get what I mean. I've got about 7 visible Bell networks around my house, thankfully I'm still getting full speed. I'm really hoping it stays that way.
--
Bell Internet Customer
Happy as can be

Bell

Oinktastic

join:2005-08-24
Scarborough
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·3 Web


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Re: Just wondering...

What type of router do you have? Are you able to implement QoS to minimise the effects of multiple users using your connection all at the same time?

Just in case you're not familiar with it, QoS (Quality of Service) is an intelligent routing system which prioritises different types of traffic, or traffic from different ports/computers so that certain activities are given priority over others on your local network. When set up and working properly, this can often alleviate local congestion symptoms by making sure that heavy downloads and transfers don't interfere with time-sensitive data transfer.
killiar

join:2008-11-22
Innisfil, ON
·Bell Sympatico
·Rogers Portable In..

Re: Just wondering...

I really couldn't tell you if I can implement QoS.

All I know at the time is that my Apple TV movie rentals, barely interfere with my download speeds.

I run an Apple AirPort Extreme Base Station dual band wifi. I run in 5GHz
--
Bell Internet Customer
Happy as can be

Bell

Oinktastic

join:2005-08-24
Scarborough

Re: Just wondering...

Unfortunately, the AirPort Extreme does not appear to support QoS, but I know a lot of people are quite happy with it for its ease of use, performance and reliability.
killiar

join:2008-11-22
Innisfil, ON
·Bell Sympatico
·Rogers Portable In..

Re: Just wondering...

Yeah, I looked that up, without hacks, it's unable to support QoS. However as I said, I'm quite happy with it. It's working great (but that may just be because of Bells connection is more then enough bandwidth for what I want to do).

I switched from a Linksys router to a DLink, then threw those both out and grabbed an Apple airPort.

And I find the Bell modem/router to be garbage.
--
Bell Internet Customer
Happy as can be

Bell

um yeah

@videotron.ca

"Definitely a MUST HAVE"

Well that statement is far from being the truth if you live in a place with no other alternatives.

Maybe it's a "MUST HAVE" if that's all you can get and if you can get it for about 30$ and grandfathered unlimited.
killiar

join:2008-11-22
Innisfil, ON

Re: "Definitely a MUST HAVE"

Beats Rogers imo

Chuck Carlso

@bell.ca

Ever heard of overhead?

It's impossible to get 6.8 megabits per second on a 7 meg line no matter how close to the central office you are. The most in theory is around 6.3.
killiar

join:2008-11-22
Innisfil, ON

Re: Ever heard of overhead?

I will post a screenshot of my speed test for you.



As you can see, I am achieving 6.84Mbps download and 0.91Mbps upload. 26ms ping.

It is not "impossible"

Oinktastic

join:2005-08-24
Scarborough
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·3 Web


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Re: Ever heard of overhead?

said by killiar See Profile :

I will post a screenshot of my speed test for you.

...As you can see, I am achieving 6.84Mbps download and 0.91Mbps upload. 26ms ping.

It is not "impossible"
Actually, it is. If that speed test is accurate, you're on at least an 8Meg profile, which is why you're able to download at 6.8Mbit.

Calculate it yourself: 8Mbit - 15% overhead for PPPoE. Hint: I already gave you the answer

Also, a 7Mbit profile would leave you with about 5.95Mbit after overhead.

Also, those speed tests are sometimes inaccurate, so I wouldn't trust a single snapshot.
killiar

join:2008-11-22
Innisfil, ON

Re: Ever heard of overhead?

I'll post another when I get home

however. Even though I may be on that profile. I'm on a 7meg plan.

Either way. Bell is the best.

Oinktastic

join:2005-08-24
Scarborough
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·3 Web

Re: Ever heard of overhead?

said by killiar See Profile :

Either way. Bell is the best.
Oh God! I just threw up a little...
acrufox

join:2004-07-14
Canada

Re: Ever heard of overhead?

lol!

I threw up a LOT. Oh wait, I have H1N1, nevermind :>
killiar

join:2008-11-22
Innisfil, ON
·Bell Sympatico
·Rogers Portable In..

I switched from Rogers. I'm not going back to them... Ever again.
I've always been happy for Bell for about 20 years with my phone service. They've made me even happier with my internet service.

I was looking up TekSavvy, it looked alright since the bandwidth cap is very high, but the speeds are waaayyy too slow for me. Maybe Bell will give them faster profiles soon.

That Bell Entertainment Fibre internet looks nice too. I'll have to look into that if it expands.

Thankfully, Bell just increased my bandwidth to 150GB, so I'm a happy camper now

twistedlemon

@bell.ca

Re: Ever heard of overhead?

may be you special, but there is no such plans on bell site
»www.bell.ca/shopping/PrsShpInt_I···Dsl.page
killiar

join:2008-11-22
Innisfil, ON
·Bell Sympatico
·Rogers Portable In..

Re: Ever heard of overhead?

said by twistedlemon :

may be you special, but there is no such plans on bell site
»www.bell.ca/shopping/PrsShpInt_I···Dsl.page
If you are referring to my 7Mbps plan, I'm on a Bell Performance grandfathered plan. As far as I'm aware, it has been moved to 6Mbps in Ontario, 7 still in Quebec.

I ordered Bell before they made the plan switch, and they left me on that plan. One thing that I really love about Bell! They continue to amaze me.
ZZink

join:2002-06-16
Etobicoke

Lucky

You are the luckiest mofo ever... bell is the best?! LOLZ
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