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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 01:38:05 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>ubnt issues?  firmware related?</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,28391936</link>
<description><![CDATA[Has anyone else had issues lately with ubnt gear, It seems like it all started when some units got 5.5.6.  

Basic problem is that some units are up and running, passing customer data. But I can't ping them, nor can I add them to air control, no ssh.  The discovery program finds them though.  And I believe they can be logged into from the LAN side.  Has anyone else had this happen?]]></description>
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<pubDate>2013-06-18 15:58:23</pubDate>
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<title>help with wifi equipment stress tests</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,28382781</link>
<description><![CDATA[Hello,

I am currently performing a stress test in order to rate equipment offered by several big brand vendors for the purposes of public hotspot deployment.
However I am running into a wall. Basically I based my test on recently published stress test performed by "WirelessLAN Professionals" that is based on video streaming scenario and many clients (google it up if interested, don't know if posting links violates forum rules).
I made a similar test platform, assembles a lab of 20+ clients (mixed laptops, netbooks, ipads, android tablets), got VLC streaming server prepared with constant bandwidth (1,2 & 4Mbps) mpeg4 streams streamed via rtsp (udp) and http (tcp).

The wall I mentioned is that I cannot find any radio related difference, it seems like I am hitting 802.11 limits and not testing equipment. Equipment scales from $$$$ to $$ indoor and outdoor AP's supplied by various vendors.
Problem is I am getting same numbers on 20$ generic AP with atheros chipset and $$$$ brandname model with their own setup, and it's consistent across the board. 
I've tested 3 big name vendors, 1 small name and a generic indoor consumer AP as a control group. 

Of course the advanced features of equipment and controller setups are vastly different and $$ AP was just a control sample, but imagine my suprise.

For example 
802.11n, 20Hz, 2.4Ghz, no MIMO, all clients connected at 65.0Mbit datarate
Most APs average in single client iperf TCP throughput test at 35-39Mbit.

test 1 - RTSP stream (udp) :
1Mbps stream to clients (errors start after 8 clients)
2Mbps stream to clients (errors start after 5 clients)

test 2 - HTTP stream (tcp) :
0.5Mbps stream to clients (after 18 clients, some clients start to drop out)
1Mbps stream to clients (after 18 clients, some clients start to drop out)
4Mbps stream to clients (after 8-9 clients, stutter & pixelization is noticed)

Unfortunately I don't have any advanced wifi tools to be able to tell details of what's going on in the spectrum, just an spectrum analyzer and frequency utilization meter that come with some of the APs that can run in sensor mode.  

It is clear that in test 2 with the 4Mbps stream there is a simple lack of bandwidth, however with 0.5 & 1Mbps stream something else is going wrong (will have to run tcpdumps and see what ends the connection).

Frankly I was expecting an easy test, a simple conclusion etc. but now I dunno what to do. Of course test includes many other parts, but this stress test was supposed to be a crown jewel in differentiating vendors.
Most of the advanced features ie. choosing best channel, running from interference, load balancing, band steering, ease of management and provisioning are offered by all big brands.]]></description>
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<pubDate>2013-06-15 04:58:17</pubDate>
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<title>Charter Communications as upstream provider?</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,28392553</link>
<description><![CDATA[Anyone use Charter as their provider? I have a perfect POP I can setup that has Charter fed to the building already.  

Debating contacting them to see if there is anything they can do.]]></description>
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<pubDate>2013-06-18 19:31:32</pubDate>
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<title>Fiber forum?</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,28353953</link>
<description><![CDATA[Been on the WISP forum a long time, but there doesn't seem to be a similar ISP Fiber forum at DSLReports?]]></description>
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<pubDate>2013-06-05 22:46:45</pubDate>
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<title>Wi-Fi Alliance Begins 802.11ac Certification</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,28394823</link>
<description><![CDATA[Article at DailyWireless:

http://www.dailywireless.org/2013/06/19/wifi-alliances-announces-802-11ac-certification-program/

Sam Churchill runs a pretty good blog...always something interesting to read there.

http://www.dailywireless.org/
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<pubDate>2013-06-19 13:51:54</pubDate>
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<title>Back up to the plate...</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,28389034</link>
<description><![CDATA[Ok guys/gals,

I am back at it. I've done a lot of research and this is what I'm figuring. A local telco will be running fiber to my area soon. This will run me $1,000/mth for 50Mb. When I was last searching I found a Mikrotik router and a couple Ubiquiti Rocket Ms with some sectors for providing access to my customers. 

I understand most of the variables except a few. 

1.) What kind of numbers am I able to serve with 50Mb if I am looking to offer a 1.5Mb/512kbps and a 3.0Mb/1.0 tier? 
(I've always heard to over-sub but not sure how many I am looking to push with this.)

 2.) What software titles would you guys recommend when it comes to monitoring traffic and throttling etc.? 

Thanks in advance!

Charlie]]></description>
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<pubDate>2013-06-17 18:47:58</pubDate>
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<title>Can&#x27;t run AirControl</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,28317211</link>
<description><![CDATA[Moved my operation and where I am located the Nano on the roof is running as a client in router mode like all others.

I can start AirControl but not connect to any subs: but I can ping them.

If I can ping or go to any radio from a browser why will AirControl not work.

My next step is to turn that radio into a bridge but that has other implications.

thanks]]></description>
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<pubDate>2013-05-23 19:23:05</pubDate>
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<title>New Ligowave PTP 5-M installation</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,28149825</link>
<description><![CDATA[Hi Guys,
We went about replacing our 25 mile UBNT PTP link tonight with the above Ligowave Product.
With the UBNT link, we could barely get 40Mb during peak times, it used to average at 30Mb.

So I programmed up 2 Ligowave units in the office, had them connect and passing traffic between 2 machines at each end.

It was supposed to be just a matter of replacing the rockets and keeping the rocket dishs.
Tonigh we had a crew at end begin work at 12:01 :) They brought down the link :) It should of only been 30 mins, but took 5 hours :(
They quickly replaced the UBNT Rockets with the Ligowave radios.
The guys at the AP had a problem with the power supply. They had to shorten the cat5 drop in order for the radio to power up?
The drop was already less than 25ft. When they temporarly used a fly lead and had the Ligowave AP power up it did not associate.
Thinking the problem was the power unit, I was about an hour away and drove up to them with a new power unit. Just as I got there the link came up? We then powered down the Ligowave Ap and replaced the power unit. Once again after powering the AP back up the link did not come back up and we waited around for 20 mins.
We all packed up and headed back to the slave side thinking it only needed a reboot. 40 mins later, the link came back up.
When its up, I can pass 60Mb accross it easily, so there is nothing dodgy with signal or that.

Why the heck does it take so long to associate in the field and only a few seconds in the office?]]></description>
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<pubDate>2013-03-29 01:32:29</pubDate>
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<title>Google&#x27;s Loon (balloon mesh) network</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,28382552</link>
<description><![CDATA[Google has started testing their "Loon" stratospheric balloon mesh network in New Zealand. Only a few people have been chosen to connect and provide feedback. 

http://www.google.com/loon/

The balloon idea was discussed in this forum back in 2006 along with alternatives such as high altitude planes and (my favourite) mesh network using many low-earth oribit satellites. Google is also involved in that project with O3B.  ]]></description>
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<pubDate>2013-06-15 00:10:06</pubDate>
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<title>OT: SLA battery</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,28294960</link>
<description><![CDATA[Are SLA batteries typically found in modern consumer UPS units of the "AGM" glass mat type or the gel type?
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http://www.optionsdsl.ca]]></description>
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<pubDate>2013-05-15 22:26:51</pubDate>
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<title>[Bus. Ops] Weekend and after hours support</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,28342168</link>
<description><![CDATA[My WISP is a little over 6 years old, and I'm nearing 300 accounts.  We've gone from running this out of our home, to having an office we were in 3 days a week, to almost always having the office (and phones) open Monday-Friday.  Our "official" hours are only 10am to 4pm, but we're usually working a little before and after that anyway.  The hours are mostly so if we have to arrive late to the office or leave early to do a service call, people don't wonder why we aren't there.

There have always been some customers who have expected 24x7 support, and we do our best by having an outage reporting option on our phone which immediately sends us a text message so we can look into it, but the reality is that we haven't always been available, and if it isn't an outage, it waits until the next business day.  Most people are quite understanding, even if they have to wait a little while for service.  

As we grow and customer start demanding more immediate service, we're trying to figure out how to handle after hours and weekend support.  We had a customer call at 5pm on Friday saying their internet was out.  We had just gotten home (half hour the wrong direction from the customer) and asked them if first thing Monday morning would be okay.  They said "sure, no problem".  Had another customer 45 minutes away call at 4pm today (Saturday) because a storm 24 hours earlier had fried their radio, and they begged until we went out and fixed the problem because they had a whole bunch of work to do over the weekend and really didn't want to wait until Monday.  We really didn't want to, but in the end decided that it was worth more in good PR and having a happy customer than potentially losing an account which has been a good account for many years.

What is "reasonable" for an ISP's repair policy?  The power company will go out all hours of the night, regardless of weather to restore an outage.  With internet becoming more critical, what do the rest of you do when someone needs an on-site visit when you're off the job?  We've always given businesses higher priority, just because they are usually more critical situations, and many times pay more per month for faster service, symmetrical speeds, etc....  If the customer doesn't mind waiting, we don't plan to rush out the door, but we want to make a policy for those "I need it now" calls so it doesn't have to be a discussion every time it comes up.

Thanks in advance!

Joe]]></description>
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<pubDate>2013-06-02 01:05:46</pubDate>
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<title>Windstream as upstream provider?</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,28364236</link>
<description><![CDATA[I have a customer with out letting us know as gone and ordered fiber from Windstream supposedly. 

The past few weeks I noticed 2 large orange conduit sticking out of the front yard of the business. Then just this week I saw some utility trucks mounting some metal brackets on the poles down the road from him. The end of the road has fiber feeding a cell tower, and he is about 1 mile down a side road from that. So I put it all together and called the owner, sure enough, they are getting fiber installed and should be live by the end of this month. He thinks the provider is windstream, which I have not heard of them working in my area before, but I have seen a truck here or there in this county.

Now the tricky part is, his location and tower is a great setup for a backhaul.  I may be interesting in getting service via his fiber line and using his tower as a backhaul point.

Has anyone used Windstream before?  Or, if the fiber is ran, I should be able to get service from another provider as well and have whomever pay lease rights to the owner of the fiber?
I am not sure how the fiber rules go, who uses what and pays for what.  

Thanks]]></description>
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<pubDate>2013-06-09 14:24:21</pubDate>
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<title>Coaxial Surge Arrestors Ever Wonder What&#x27;s Inside?</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,28333288</link>
<description><![CDATA[Ever wondered what is within these buggers, well here&#146;s a couple dissected.

Two models of Andrew surge arrestors, on the left is a APTDC-BDFDM-DB which is described by Andrew as a, Arrestor Plus&reg; LTE Band Quarterwave dc Passing Surge Arrestor (T-shaped), 698&#150;2700 MHz.

And the one on the right is a APGMB-BNFNM-090 which is described as a Arrestor Plus&reg; Gas Tube Surge Arrestor (90 V), 45&#150;2170 MHz, with interface types N Female Bulkhead and N Male.

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Upon removing the &#147;T&#148; from the APTDC, one finds within the T are two components, a standard 350 volt gas tube and the slug, which on one end connects to the pass-through within the body while the other end is against a spring loaded gas tube in the cap.

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The second arrestor is of a simpler design with the gas tube pressed upon a plate within the pass-through.

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<pubDate>2013-05-29 19:33:09</pubDate>
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<title>Moving to OSPF &#x26;amp; IPV6</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,28376654</link>
<description><![CDATA[Hi Guys,
Couple of questions here.
One of my networks is a small flat bridge network. All routes are static. All of the PPPoE concentrators are connected directly to the Core router over a large bridge, so there is no routers on further out after the remote PPPoE concentrators, i.e. the PPPoE concentrators are not routing traffic further on. I want to change all this to an OSPF network, but I can see a few problems.
First of all all I have is a public /25 from my upstream provider. It was  easy to assign a small subnet to all the remote routers via the core router, just one route per remote router. All of the /25 is used up now.
Can I take it that my current scheme will be useless as once the ospf is in operation it will take a lot more ip usage to assign CIDR's to each router?

One other move I am currently making, is requesting a /20 from ripe. Once this is assigned to me though can I assume I will be assigned ipv6 address space? How will this work if customers routers only support ipv4?

Sorry but not much experience with ipv6.

Thanks]]></description>
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<pubDate>2013-06-13 06:15:02</pubDate>
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<title>Mikrotik SEXTANT to Tranzeo CPE</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,28376721</link>
<description><![CDATA[There is this pt2pt wireless link I did. One end is Trazeo CPE (which I made the AP) and the other end is Mikrotik SEXTANT (Station Pseudobridge). The speed and the signal strength of the link is very ok but is not supporting the Client's software applications.
What can I do to resolve this?
Is there any special configuration for this?]]></description>
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<pubDate>2013-06-13 07:34:47</pubDate>
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<title>MicroWISP</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,28254772</link>
<description><![CDATA[I'm considering setting up a WISP to service up to 100 residences. The homes are located in an area that only have access to 1.5Mbps DSL, do not have LTE coverage, and aren't likely to see any improvements in the near future so there is an opportunity to address an underserved need.

My question pertains to backhaul. I have access to a location suitable for a tower about 2-2.5 miles from the houses. Coincidentally, this happens to be at the edge of the area that Comcast serves and offers 105/20 service to.

Anyone know if Comcast allows resale of bandwidth on a business account? Or would it require negotiation of a contract along with contract specific rates? Does Comcast even wholesale to a WISP?

Would be nice to start with a business account, resell 5/1 to 20 houses and see if there really is demand for more.]]></description>
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<pubDate>2013-05-01 23:40:15</pubDate>
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<title>Can you guys help identify this towers purpose?</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,28365223</link>
<description><![CDATA[Its a relatively small tower. Not sure what its purpose is. Antennasearch.com shows nothing]]></description>
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<pubDate>2013-06-09 22:09:13</pubDate>
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<title>M5 won&#x27;t go to country code 124</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,28364665</link>
<description><![CDATA[I am getting fed up with this issue.

many of my M5 are locked to USA: I am trying to get them back up north. I am in Canada

when I download a config file and change the country code to 124 (and upload it back) it works on some units 

does not work on others: what's the problem?]]></description>
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<pubDate>2013-06-09 18:05:36</pubDate>
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