10 New Clearwire Markets Launch September 1 Carrier also boosts upstream speeds for mobile tiers Nearly half a year after Clearwire launched their Mobile WiMax service in Portland, the company has just four markets officially launched: Portland, Atlanta, Baltimore, and Las Vegas. According to the company, they hope to deploy Clearwire to 80 markets over the next eighteen or so months, meaning they'll seriously need to pick up the pace. A number of cable operators, including Comcast and Time Warner Cable are following behind launching their own rebranded service, and would like to start seeing returns on their investment into the new company. Clearwire this morning announced they'll be launching ten new markets on September 1: Boise, Idaho; Bellingham, Wash.; and eight markets throughout Texas, including: Abilene, Amarillo, Corpus Christi, Lubbock, Midland/Odessa, Killeen/Temple, Waco and Wichita Falls. Chicago, Charlotte, Dallas/Ft. Worth, Honolulu, Philadelphia and Seattle will also launch in 2009. The mobile version of Clearwire's service comes in multiple flavors, all of which offer on average 4Mbps/384kbps connectivity, but with different bandwidth caps. The company has been playing with pricing, currently offering (at least in Portland) a $35 Mobile plan with a 2GB cap (and a whopping $10 each additional gigabyte), a $45 unlimited plan, a $10 day pass, or a $80 a month unlimited nationwide plan. The company also offers uncapped home plans of 1Mbps/512kbps for $25, and 3Mbps/1Mbps for $30. The company offers discounts if you mix and match the home and mobile versions of the service, or if you add Clearwire wireless voice service into the mix. Several users also write in to note that the carrier over the weekend upgraded their mobile plans so that upstream connectivity should be closer to 1Mbps.
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  wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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1 edit | Off topic, but still related I found out over the weekend that there is a company offering wireless Docsis 2.0 service in Ireland. In fact, thats how they deliver to all their customers. I never knew it existed so I thought I would share. Sorry for the interruption, please carry on. | |
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Saxapahaw, NC | Re: Off topic, but still related There are/were a few companies doing it here in the US. It's called MMDS or LMDS depending on the exact technology in use. Was a big bubble idea in the 90's. Never really took off in most areas. | |
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New York, NY | Re: Off topic, but still related said by davoice:There are/were a few companies doing it here in the US. It's called MMDS or LMDS depending on the exact technology in use. Was a big bubble idea in the 90's. Never really took off in most areas. I am not sure exactly what technology they use for their primary service (it says microwave), but I do know it operates in the 10Ghz spectrum. They also have a smaller deployment using Wimax.
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| | | | | | Re: Off topic, but still related www.watchtv.net | |
| | | | | wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | Re: Off topic, but still related I never knew a company in the US did that, thanks for the link. | |
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| Re: Off topic, but still related the MMDS internet used to run off NextNet equipment I believe. It was the first set of equipment that Clearwire used before Round 2 of fixed wireless. The company is now owned by MOT that made the equipment.
WatchTV also took over what was once ComWavz which was a show case for Cisco with their Aironet routers for Wireless 'net. www.comwavz.net (ComWavz was also a case study published on the Cisco website)
WatchTV resells DishNetwork (i believe now) to customers using the MMDS and is expanding their reach with (or did) with another 1,000+ foot tower. It was being discussed here a few months back.
WatchTV is also owned by a small ILEC as well. »www.brtelco.com/
WatchTV is based in Lima. the ILEC is just outside Findlay OH and Comwavz is in Findlay and Lima.
One must note that WatchTV also competes with TWC and Comcast and WILL DO city installs if you can obtain service at your house. | |
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New York, NY | Re: Off topic, but still related Interesting, I knew about MMDS but didnt realize it was somewhat widely used. | |
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| Re: Off topic, but still related MMDS is a very interesting technology and a great way to avoid the state's cable laws now. most states do not include MMDS as part of their state wide agreements. Ohio is one of them. For the most part all one has to build is afford to buy/lease or obtain the MMDS spectrum from the FCC or someone else and then build out the network with a tall enough tower and contact DishNetwork or DirecTV and start reselling.
That's about all they're doing for TV.
For Internet they're using MOT CMTSs and MOT cable modems and sending the signal wirelessley and works fine. | |
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| | Small towns! Why not Austin, Houston? Temple, TX? Come on, now. Missed me by 50 miles. Bad choice. | |
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Valencia, CA | Re: Small towns! Why not Austin, Houston? There's nothing in Southern California (LA market area) as well, which covers ~15 million people.
WiMAX is 'supposed' to be able to assist in coverage in rural areas that have no other carrier - eg. Houston/LA, etc. all have multiple carriers. These rural areas won't have DSL/Cable, making WiMAX/Clear a very valid choice.
Clear 'should' deploy in those towns/cities that are TWC/AT&T only and have the 5-40GB caps. | |
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New York, NY | Re: Small towns! Why not Austin, Houston? said by en102:There's nothing in Southern California (LA market area) as well, which covers ~15 million people. WiMAX is 'supposed' to be able to assist in coverage in rural areas that have no other carrier - eg. Houston/LA, etc. all have multiple carriers. These rural areas won't have DSL/Cable, making WiMAX/Clear a very valid choice. Clear 'should' deploy in those towns/cities that are TWC/AT&T only and have the 5-40GB caps. Apparently there are a number of "secret" markets that havent been revealed yet. I heard NYC was on that list, but I dont recall if Southern California was. I am not sure why they have a secret list, but I have read it a few places online.
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1 edit | Re: Small towns! Why not Austin, Houston? said by wifi4milez:Apparently there are a number of "secret" markets that havent been revealed yet. I heard NYC was on that list, but I dont recall if Southern California was. I am not sure why they have a secret list, but I have read it a few places online. Clearwire was advertising for a project deployment engineer to work in Albuquerque a year or so ago, but I've never seen a list with Albuquerque listed as a deployment city. | |
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New York, NY | Re: Small towns! Why not Austin, Houston? said by travelguy:said by wifi4milez:Apparently there are a number of "secret" markets that havent been revealed yet. I heard NYC was on that list, but I dont recall if Southern California was. I am not sure why they have a secret list, but I have read it a few places online. Clearwire was advertising for a project deployment engineer to work in Albuquerque a year or so ago, but I've never seen a list with Albuquerque listed as a deployment city. Same with NYC/NJ, and a few other places not on the list. There is evidence to support a larger rollout, I am not entirely sure why they dont just come out and say it. Perhaps they are trying to be sneaky (to the competition), but if we (people reading this thread) can figure it out I guarantee the big telcos can too.
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| | | | | | | | Re: Small towns! Why not Austin, Houston? Plausible deniability: If they don't announce it, people won't complain if they later cancel that rollout for whatever reasons. | |
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| | | | | TWC techs in my area are saying Cleveland, OH is suppose to be on the list for 2009 or Q1 of 2010. | |
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kudos:5 | Doesn't Austin or Houston already have broadband? Do those smaller towns?
I used Clearwire WiMax while in Portland and I loved it. But what I didn't like about it is that it overlaid areas already served by broadband and missed nearby areas that were very hungry for it (North Plains).
Maybe this Texas strategy is to spread the broadband love a bit, I don't know. I'm not familiar with those towns at all.
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| Re: Small towns! Why not Austin, Houston? Midland, Lubbock, Amarillo, etc. are AT&T for DSL (if available), Suddenlink for cable. SL is very stingy on the upload side, to I wouldn't be surprised if the uncapped (I'm guessing that's what the 10 Mbps burstable tier is) servie level beat every other ISP option for upload speed, while still maintaining a decent price point.
Also, Amarillo for one is already a Clearwire market, using the old tech. | |
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| | | I'm surprised that Dallas/Fort Worth is also missing (closest market is Waco, south of the Metroplex on I-35). | |
| | | | | Re: Small towns! Why not Austin, Houston? DFW is in the list above right after Charlotte for markets that are supposed to be covered in '09. | |
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| | | I think that "80 markets in 18 months" sounded good to investors and so they're picking a lot of smaller markets to flesh out the major launches... | |
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New York, NY | Re: Small towns! Why not Austin, Houston? said by Karl Bode:I think that "80 markets in 18 months" sounded good to investors and so they're picking a lot of smaller markets to flesh out the major launches... Most providers pick smaller markets when rolling out new services. This enables them to work the bugs out before dropping it on a city of 5 million (plus). Once they determine everything works (service, billing, tech support) they feel comfortable deploying it to all their tier 1 locations.
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| | |  baineschile2600 ways to livePremium
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Sterling Heights, MI | Or maybe with larger city regulations, its not quite cost effective yet. | |
| | | | en102Canadian, eh?
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Valencia, CA | Re: Small towns! Why not Austin, Houston? They probably don't want to kill business from Sprint CDMA/EVDO.
Even though Sprint owns a large portion of Clear, they are separate companies. | |
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| | .. shows available at both my old and new address....suddelink has 8meg for $20/mo right now but i may give it a try after | |
| | | no way it will cost so much to build this network out i dont see this company surviving | |
| | | Problems overlooked in the article The author of this article fails to mention the HUGE problem in the Mt. Vernon, Washington area, just south of Bellingham, WA. The problems there are not a good forecast for new deployments.
See the Clearwire forum in DSLreports.com. | |
| | | One Problem I know for Lubbock, they've had it available for well over a year! I suspect this "launch" is nothing more than activating a few towers. | |
| | | | Re: One Problem Incorrect. They've offered regular wifi / clearwire wireless service, not wimax. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: One Problem I believe that's what navalpatel means. Also Clear's older service is pre-WiMAX. Crappy, but it's the grandaddy to the current, much faster tech. Not WiFi. | |
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| | | | Re: P2P Nope, I have it here in portland. Works fine for p2p. | |
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Thomas [3:21:13 PM]: I want to know if you cap bandwidth or block certain types of traffic.
Jason Jones [3:23:08 PM]: My understanding is that we do not cap bandwidth, but p2p and other especially heavy applications are monitored and violate our acceptable use policy.
Thomas [3:23:28 PM]: Why do they violate the AUP?
[3:24:04 PM]: The AUP says only illegal activity, business activity, and 24 (or close) hour unattended usage
[3:24:40 PM]: Why would using BT to download Ubuntu be against the AUP?
[3:25:02 PM]: It's not listed.
[3:25:35 PM]: Are you going to ban anything else arbitrarily? Like gaming?
[3:26:10 PM]: How can I sign a contract if you're going to ban things willy-nilly and allow yourselves to change the rules without releasing me from the contract?
[3:27:42 PM]: And when is this added "no peer-to-peer applications" going to be added to the AUP? Were you planning to inform your potential customers that you are intending to ban certain types of traffic in contradiction with FCC common carrier rules?
[3:27:53 PM]: Is VoIP next?
Jason Jones [3:28:15 PM]: If you have detailed questions on that AUP, you can speak with our Tech support team. They can be reached at (888) 888-3113, menu option 3, seven days a week between 9am and 10pm your time.
Thomas [3:29:22 PM]: Well, I think you're going to lose a lot of customers over this internet neutrality violation | |
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| We have had Clearwire for a couple years in Bellingham, Wa. Clearwire this morning announced they'll be launching ten new markets on September 1: Boise, Idaho; Bellingham, Wash.
I swear it's been three years or more, I guess nobody told Clearwire.
I don't think they are trying very hard. The coverage sucks, barely covers the whole town and this is a small town.
If Clearwire wanted to make some money they would expand to the rural areas. We have people in the county that can't get any broadband besides satellite. These people are begging for Clearwire, but Clearwire continues to ignore them. | |
| | | | Re: We have had Clearwire for a couple years in Bellingham, Wa. said by b10010011:Clearwire this morning announced they'll be launching ten new markets on September 1: Boise, Idaho; Bellingham, Wash.I swear it's been three years or more, I guess nobody told Clearwire. I don't think they are trying very hard. The coverage sucks, barely covers the whole town and this is a small town. If Clearwire wanted to make some money they would expand to the rural areas. We have people in the county that can't get any broadband besides satellite. These people are begging for Clearwire, but Clearwire continues to ignore them. You might be thinking of the "fixed" Clearwire WiMax offering....they're talking about "Mobile"....they're essentially two different things.
As for people that live in the country....it's all about ROI....think about it....if it costs a company $500,000(Arbitrary number) to get service to 50 people....is there going to be a decent return on that? Doubtful. | |
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| No sprint EVDO in some of those areas.... No sprint EVDO in some of those areas.... straight from 2G to 4G. Doesn't help all the 3G phones in that area though.
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| | | Clearwire Chicago was one of the test beta markets when this was supposed to be out two years ago (spring 2007). It's over 2 1/2 years late. | |
| | | Correct pricing, tiers, speeds I'm typing this in Portland connected with my Clear usb modem. I have a 6mb down unlimited capacity plan. Right now they are offering 2/$55 a month, home modem &mobile usb modem, or mobile&mobile usb modems. I pay $27.50 a month and split the plan with my friend who has the other modem. The download speeds regularly achieve 8mb down, the best I've found is 12mb down. The upload is capped currently at .5mb here in P-town though.
It's been so great having Clear open for business in Portland. We had the duopoly of Comcrap and Qwest in Portland proper until last year with Verizon FIOS only available in the 'burbs. Suddenly Qwest suddenly agrees that charging $42/month for 1.5mb DSL isn't competitive. Suddenly Comcast is offering longer intro promotional rates. I know I'm preaching to the choir on this site, but competition is so needed!
With the increased upstream today to 1mb on Clear that would leave you the option of paying $27.5/month for a MOBILE USB modem with at least 6mb down/1 up that can connect anywhere or $30+taxes for 1.5mb down/384k up fixed home DSL line with Qwest. Goodbye baby bell. | |
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Launch in more citys?