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In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA
Premium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL | There's a comfortable spot between too slow and too fast.. IMO, the ideal connection would be symmetrical - something on the lines of 30/30 would be ideal for me. Not too fast, not too slow. | |
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binarycode
join:2003-04-30
Upperstrasburg, PA | Re: There's a comfortable spot between too slow and too fast.. I agree! I've never had any broadband that I enjoyed more than my SDSL. Sadly there is nothing like that where I live now. I would happily settle for 15/15, but secretly even 5/5 would get me to jump ship from Comcast. :P | |
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| AnonShawUser
join:2006-06-17
Calgary, AB | I'd be fairly happy if they managed 10/10 for a decent price, with wide release. | |
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join:2001-08-01
Youngsville, PA | Re: There's a comfortable spot between too slow and too fast.. I would be happy with 1/1mb ! | |
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wmcbrine
Touched by His Noodly Appendage
join:2002-12-30
Laurel, MD
| said by Rob  :There's a comfortable spot between too slow and too fast.. No, there isn't. There's absolutely no such thing as too fast.
But I agree about the symmetrical connections.
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Mountains
1 edit | Re: There's a comfortable spot between too slow and too fast.. agree (shameless signature pimping...)
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Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
 ·Pacific Bell - SBC
| said by wmcbrine :said by Rob :There's a comfortable spot between too slow and too fast.. No, there isn't. There's absolutely no such thing as too fast. There is, however, "too expensive". 10Mbps/10Mbps Internet for $1,000 a month? Or even $100 a month? I will stick with $25 a month Internet, thank you. I get 3Mbps/.5Mbps for just that.
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brianhn1
Sup Brotha
join:2003-01-26
Jacksonville, FL
clubs:  | I'll be happy Give me 100mbps that works, I'll be happy.
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Alcohol
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join:2003-05-26
Somerset, NJ | Re: I'll be happy I'm pretty sure i'll notice a difference.
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
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join:2005-01-03 | Re: I'll be happy You're obviously NOT Comcastic! Who's your ISP and what are your speeds? | |
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Alcohol
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join:2003-05-26
Somerset, NJ
1 edit | Re: I'll be happy Optimum Online. 15/2. For half of June/July i had 30/5. | |
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Peppers300
Premium
join:2003-05-22
Middle Island, NY | Yep, Optonline here to. I dont download nearly as much as you though. Ive been getting speeds of 31-33/4Mbps | |
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captnhook
join:2001-02-20
NY | mmmm you prolly wouldn't benefit from it seeing as how you've already downloaded all the know porn to man  | |
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Shamayim
I already have a Messiah.
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join:2002-09-23 | The Number 2 Rule of U***** is: There is no such thing as too much speed. | |
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join:2006-05-14
San Antonio, TX
| Re: The Number 2 Rule of U***** There is no such thing as too much speed, but speed costs money and how fast do you want to go.
And then there is also the law of diminishing returns and this very much seems to be what the article is getting at. Sure 100meg is fast, but is it measurably better than a 50,25 or 10 meg pipe | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
 ·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
| Re: The Number 2 Rule of U***** I tend to agree. Unless you have access to apps that need 100Mbps, what's it going to do for you? Faster bittorrent mesh? More spam in/out ?
I have a 3Mbps pipe, and it does me fine. The only slow points for me have been downloading Fedora Core DVD ISO's.
When HDTV is streamed to your PC... wake me up.
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elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | Re: The Number 2 Rule of U***** when you have more then one heavy user in one home youll wish you had more speed 15/1 and we really need more
30/5 would be what we really need
but damn 100/10 or some thing like and i could totaly forget about QoS in the home | |
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join:2006-09-04
Philadelphia, PA | Wake up if you have Directv. Their new Video on Demand service will use your broadband connection using their HR20 boxes as well as video being pushed on demand via sat. They supposedly have HD content available also. So there is a need for speed | |
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telcolackey
The Truth? You can't handle the truth
join:2007-04-06
Death Valley, CA
| said by Shamayim :is: There is no such thing as too much speed. That is not what she said | |
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ericinmia
Premium
join:2002-12-25
Hialeah, FL
| 10/10 connection We have a 10/10 connection at work through a metro-ethernet fiber connection to the old bellsouth. I almost don't want to go home at the end of the day.
Although with all the restrictions I've put on it, people can't use it for the same uses they probably would at home. 
-Eric
P.s. You don't want to know the cost.  | |
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Fox McCloud
Crazy like a fox.
join:2006-07-23
·Embarq Now Century..
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| Not Life Changing? Of course it won't be "life changing", but it'd be a heck of a lot faster than most of the broadband available. Also, just because a few servers here and there can't handle 100 meg, doesn't mean that all of them can't; after all, if you max out one website, using 28 meg of your connection, that means the other 72 meg could be used on another download or surfing...without impacting the download that is currently being worked on.
Basically I see 100/100 (and 1000/1000) as a true multi-tasking broadband service where downloads, on a single computer don't interfere with one another (since most servers can't handle 100/100)....to me, that'd be very very useful....besides, if you overkill like this, that means that most likely the speeds you're getting will be the max speeds possible (ie: limited by the server, not you).
I hope Verizon ignores what this guy has to say and deploys their service anyway; the more speed, the merrier. | |
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johndoe303
join:2003-01-01
Boca Raton, FL | Multitasking It'd be great to have a line with speed like that! While it may not change anyones life it should would make many a lot easier.
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plk
bo may sleep in loft
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join:2002-04-20
Ogden, IA
| Re: Multitasking I agree
I am using Voip, web cam and downloading pictures all at the same time. And that is just one computer.
A 10/10 connection would be nice for one computer. 100/10 would be nice for 4
If they build it, we will find a use for it.
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
Premium
join:2005-01-03
·CableOne
| Re: Multitasking said by plk :If they build it, we will find a use for it. I think that is what this all comes down to. Do we need it now? Pretty much no. Can we find a use for it? Of course! This would simply be an incentive to build out the rest of the internet to keep up with it and to create things to use it all. | |
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greendragon
Premium
join:2003-09-20
Stewartville, MN | Re: Multitasking Exactly!! | |
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join:2005-09-22
San Jose, CA
·Comcast
·SONIC.NET
| said by PolarBear :said by plk :If they build it, we will find a use for it. I think that is what this all comes down to. Do we need it now? Pretty much no. Can we find a use for it? Of course! This would simply be an incentive to build out the rest of the internet to keep up with it and to create things to use it all. A lot of us have already been trying to use the Internet for a long time (in my case for almost a quarter of a century, since about 1985) for things that current speeds do not allow, and will start to work a little bit at fiber capable speeds (e.g., 100mbit/s). For those who aren't in that position, of course, they don't need it. A lot of us born more recently have a different future than those who are already older when they were at the same age in their life as we are now. The older people may already have had successful and fulfilling careers, homes, families, etc.. We are barely starting to build that ourselves. So there's quite a few reasons one undersized size does not fit all, especially those not mired in the world of baby boomers born before 1970 and stuff.
That's not to say there aren't younger people who are fulfilled and don't need high speed internet at this point. | |
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Done_Posting
Shoot to kill
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join:2003-08-22
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
|  Sounds great....
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fonzbear2000
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join:2005-08-09
Saint Paul, MN | heck, for now i'd be happy if..... comcast gave me a decent(at least 1mbps) upload upgrade and not this powerboost crap
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| 10/10 ~ 30/30... ... would be the sweet spot for most people.
All the "major" ISPs need to get off the stick and even things up.
Sure West, Paxio, *insert sym service provider here*: _________, can do it, WTF?
FiOS, still lopsided.
Cablecos, uhm... yeah.
DSL, right!
I would so jump on Paxio if they were to start here!
20/20 for $48.50 per month? DUH!
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join:2002-04-10
| Re: 10/10 ~ 30/30... Yet sure west has 40 GB caps. Not sure about paxio. Either way, symmetrical ain't worth a SH*T if it has low low caps on it. What good does the fast speed do if you can't use it. Hell, I got evdo and a counter on my laptop. I tabulated that a few hours of browsing alone (watching youtube, streaming music from local station, etc)... Everything Legal... Eats around 700MB-1GB. 40 GB would be reached in no time. Hence, i'd rather take slower internet than see caps. If an ISP is willing to give 10/10 unlimited, I'd say more power to them. Until that day, the ones offering it are no real competition or incentive for others to build out. | |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| Re: 10/10 ~ 30/30... The caps(pretty sure) are on the 10/10(Sure West) service.
20/20 I think are either higher or not there/not inforced...
*FOR ME* Paxio at 20/20 would be fine!
Seeing as I rarely go over 30GB now... caps don't really pose a problem.
Of course, YMMV.
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
Premium
join:2005-01-03 | With all due respect, a few hours of YouTubing, web browsing and a streaming radio station will NOT eat up 700-1000MB. I think you forgot to mention that you also had BearShare and Azureus running, too. | |
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join:2002-04-10
| Re: 10/10 ~ 30/30... Nope. Streaming audio from local radio station and browsing youtube and normal web surfing equated to around 2-300 MB for an hour. I don't use p2p. My laptop has a counter due to EVDO. You'd be amazed at how quickly bandwidth is consumed. You often do not think about images on websites. They are a few MB each. If you visit an imagine intensive site or browse like CNN, you quickly consume BW. Try it sometime. Load up a bandwidth counter and do normal stuff. Browse web, steam audio, check out youtube, etc for an hour or two. You'll find I am more than right with a 200-300 MB estimate. Figure someone is on there half the day due to work or what not, and you got your 700-1 GB used daily.
As for surewest, it all has caps if I recall. | |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
1 edit | Re: 10/10 ~ 30/30... Yep, they do have caps, but a bit higher than you posted:
With the release of their 50Mbps service Surewest now enforces the caps on all tiers. 50Mbps = 400GB bidirectional traffic, 20Mbps = 150GB bidirectional traffic, 10Mbps = 75GB bidirectional traffic, 1Mbps = 30GB bidirectional traffic. They have also updated their AUP to go with these changes:
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"From time to time, SureWest establishes guidelines that assist it in determining whether the use of its network or Internet Service by any individual non-commercial Customer is acceptable or may be considered excessive and/or burdensome. Customers whose Internet usage consistently falls outside of the parameters permitted by these guidelines for the package they have selected may be contacted by SureWest and requested either to modify their network usage activities to bring them into compliance with the guidelines or to purchase another SureWest Internet Service package designed for Customers with heavier Internet usage."
"Repeated or continued excessive use of Internet Service may lead to suspension or termination of a Customer’s account. Suspension or termination of a Customer account for any of the reasons outlined above in this section will be considered to be the result of a Customer contract breach."
STILL! 75GB on the 10(sym) service? 150 GB for the 20mbps(sym) service... I could SERIOUSLY live with that!
EDIT: I use DUMeter, I know how much I use per month, thanks!
I rarely hit 30GB per month.
75GB? no prob staying under that.
150GB? Think about it...
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join:2002-04-10
| Re: 10/10 ~ 30/30... Thought they did. Thanks for update. As to the debate on caps, I am heavily against them. America is moving backwards while many countries in Europe surpass us. Providers there offer 10/10 and higher with no caps in several countries. Sure, I know the government subsidizes some of it, but we do too. We give huge tax breaks to Telcos and Cable companies to build out. We give them incentives to build in low density areas. Nothing different is happening there than here. The problem we're facing are companies that are getting their cake and ice cream, too. Due to lack of competition in many areas, companies can charge what they want, restrict their service, and impose invisible clauses. It's ridiculous. I am a firm believer that if my tax dollars are going to help PRIVATE industry, then we must see something on our return. Otherwise, let muni projects like Utopia and others take over. Tax dollars were well spent on that when these other companies can barely offer high speed to large, dense cities. To anyone that argues, I say give me a break. | |
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NJALondon
@bulldogdsl.com
| 100 mbps changing peoples lives elsewhere In France the extra bandwisth is being used to stream dual HDYV streams, so it seems operators are finding a use for that extra bandwidth. So it seems that the uses are coming, you can't stick the cart before the horse, until the speeds are in place the applications won't follow.
Here's a link for the curious to see what one company in France is supplying over its own infrastructure;-
»www.iliad.fr/en/presse/2007/CP_3···_eng.pdf | |
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ftthz
If love can kill hate can also save
join:2005-10-17 | 100/100 would allow me to do a lot more at once. But guessing I'd need at least a gbit if I wanted to stream myself around a lan without noticing too much lag | |
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T1 Rocky
join:2002-11-15
Dallas, TX
·Time Warner Cable
| What a great philosophy! The Verizon guy is right! Who needs broadband? Does anyone really need more than 28.8 Kbps? Why all this complaining about upgrading the telecom infastructure of the country? See if we tell people that they don't want it then they won't need it! Brilliant.
What a stupid statement and from a Verizon employee none the less! What a lack of vision.  | |
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Pathfinder
Dazed Confused
Premium
join:2000-03-26
Mount Vernon, NY | Re: What a great philosophy! Where was that said? | |
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mesmerMAN
join:2006-01-18
Miami, FL | i think you're the one that needs to recheck themselves and use logic. | |
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Xidus
join:2002-03-05
| 640 k should be enough for anybody "640k should be enough for anybody"! - Bill Gates - 1981
100Mbps service may be overkill for most now, but what about in 10 years? I can think of at least a dozen different uses for that kind of bandwidth right off the top of my head. HD youtube anyone? | |
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Slidetbone
Mazin Go
Premium
join:2002-11-10
Land O Lakes, FL
| Only as fast as the internet will allow.... There you have it! ISP's like Verizon are making strides with their broadband speeds, but at best, the internet looks to be optimized for 2-6 Megs. 100 Megs is a waste if the internet servers will cap you at 3-6 Megs.
Like buying a Ferrari in New York. It is fast, but the Honda will make it as fast as the Ferrari going towards the same destination.
With more and more users online, fast speeds are just not cutting it, nor is the solution. The backbone just needs more pipe! | |
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serge666
join:2004-06-07
Little Falls, NJ | Re: Only as fast as the internet will allow.... right!
because who needs to go 0-60 in under 4 seconds anyway? >:/ | |
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DaveKap
@comcast.net | Sure but... Considering Comcast is raping the SF Bay area by over-pricing and under-servicing (let's not forget the latest BitTorrent BS) I'll buy FIOS as soon as I possibly can if it comes to my area. | |
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macguy
join:2007-08-18
Bloomfield, NJ | He obviously doesn't use bit torrent :D But yea, the back bone does need to be improved before speeds like that can be used by a lot of people. Untill then, verizon FIOS is as fast as it's going to get in the US. | |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| For each, their own... AT&T: 1-12mbits dsl to fttn... no pirated data, would you even dare with our secret wiretap rooms?
at&t.. american terrorism and tribbles (in the vrad)
Comcast: 1.5-16mbits throttled, and don't even think about bittorent.
Qwest: 128k-10mbits... do what you want, we protect your privacy.
Cox: 1-10mbits don't worry about quality of service, you can't get much without us raising your rates.
Time Warner: 3mbit-7,8,9,10 Do we really need to increase the speed, awe maan.. we thought we could get by being el-cheapo with a premium price... nearly the rest of the cable industry does.. we almost invented fiber, just never invested heavily (for our cablemodem subscribers, except in Metro areas)
Verizon: 768k - 50mbit - ??mbit (how much money do you have?) Dsl, FTTP, Can you say FIBER? Hidden billing / throttling issues which are cryptically masked. Billions spent on dotting the copper landscape with deployed towns, however:
Rhode Island, New Hampshire, Vermont, Puerto Rico, Maine (did I leave anyone out?) No FIOS for you..
Cablevision: Cablemodem on steroids-- that is until the nodes get overloaded.. war on warcraft (24/7 mud's) add xbox ps3 online as well, war on el-cheapo $29.95 subscribers, war on the west side stadium... what?!, oh yeah.. we have BOOST 30mbit, beat that Verizon.. ugh, Fiber?, how much is that FTTN upgrade gonna cost us again? Private Dolan reporting for duty!
If you look at the landscape of haphazard companies.. Maybe in 5 years, Verizon OR Cablevision might get to 100mbits depending on how the "BANDWIDTH WAR" might go.. but the rest? Yeeah, right... NOT gonna happen in 10 years, much less the earlier of the two, and that's if either company spends even BILLIONS MORE than they already projected for docsis 3.0 and GPONS...
Not even billions spent on WIMAX deployments is aiming for 100mbits bandwidth PER SUBSCRIBER. No deployments over 100,000 subscribers bests 50mbits offered by Verizon, today in 2007. | |
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join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs: | Re: For each, their own... Actually Verizon is wiring up rhode island pretty quickly. | |
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join:2007-02-25
Rumford, ME | NH has FIOS. | |
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IndyDoug
join:2003-10-26
Indianapolis, IN | How much is too much? You can download a lot of porn with a 100meg pipe but how much porn does a guy need? | |
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
Premium
join:2005-01-03 | Re: How much is too much? Do NOT open that Pandora's Box, my friend. Just don't. | |
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join:2001-12-11
Lompoc, CA | about 3-minutes worth... | |
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captnhook
join:2001-02-20
NY | Re: How much is too much? LMAO  | |
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SDSLSPEED
@rogers.com
| SDSL I have a 4/4 pipe coming on next week to the office (sept 11) so we'll see how good SDSL really is. And i'll try and come back here to let people know.
In the sales pitch, it was 5/5, but 'after reviewing our line quality, you can get 4/4'. Not sure if that's 100% true, but previously according to Bell, we didn't qualify for ULTRA 6MB DSL, and could only get the 3MB service. So we'll see what really happens.
(It's served by Wightman telecom in Ontario for those wondering. They also have ADSL. And they charge a big premium for SDSL to the business!) | |
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majortom1029
join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY | hmm ihave a 16.5/2 connection from cablevision and i dont do anything different. They are right though. I wont really use my bandwidth till a program comes along that really uses it. IF JOOST keeps at it that is the first program that might. | |
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