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Is it threats or bribes that are influencing the decision for ISP's to volunteer to assist? | |
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3 edits | Re: I Don't Get It said by jmn1207  :Why would so many ISP's agree to cooperate? Is it threats or bribes that are influencing the decision for ISP's to volunteer to assist? In this case, it was a potential loss by the ISP in an Irish court that prompted the settlement:
As part of the settlement reached after proceedings in an Irish court on Wednesday, the companies agreed to supply Eircom with the IP addresses of people they detect illegally uploading or downloading copyrighted works on a "peer-to-peer" basis.
"High Court proceedings ... have been settled on an amicable basis with both sides expressing satisfaction with the outcome," Eircom said in a joint statement with the record companies. More info from an Irish news web site:
»irishdev.com/Home/News/271-eirco···tes.html
»www.siliconrepublic.com/news/art···-pirates
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Pleasant Hill, MO | Maybe they want people to stop breaking the law. I do, heck if it were me they would only get ONE warning that no service, and I would tell every other ISP in the country about them. | |
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| Re: I Don't Get It said by me1212 :Maybe they want people to stop breaking the law. I do, heck if it were me they would only get ONE warning that no service, and I would tell every other ISP in the country about them. Just how legal is your Anime hobbie??
»[Anime] Can someone recomend a good anime(s) for me to watch?
shame on you 
»www.animesuki.com/doc.php/licensed/
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said by hopeflicker :Just how legal is your Anime hobbie?? "Only thieves and vandals have made money on 'Calvin and Hobbes' merchandise." - Bill Watterson me1212 is a clone of the Born Again Christians who decry piracy at every level, while displaying their intellectual property theft of Calvin praying or some such.
»lambiek.net/artists/w/watterson.htm
I guess theft is OK if it's for the Glory of God.
It's the same logic that makes the wizardry of the Hogwarts School evil, while the wizardry of Narnia is encouraged. I guess evil is actually OK, as long as it's in the similitude of Christ. | |
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| I don't DOWNLOAD them, I meant if they download, not listen to/watch on youtube, there is a difference. heck, by that logic an on granny taeing *insert show here* on a VCR and watching it should be punished, and the whole concept of vcr tapes for sale is wrong. If I were downloading every ep of naruto that would be wrong. | |
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1 edit | Re: I Don't Get It said by me1212 :I don't DOWNLOAD them, I meant if they download, not listen to/watch on youtube, there is a difference. heck, by that logic an on granny taeing *insert show here* on a VCR and watching it should be punished, and the whole concept of vcr tapes for sale is wrong. If I were downloading every ep of naruto that would be wrong. HUH??
anyone understand this?
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clubs: | Re: I Don't Get It I think I could interpret, but why bother? | |
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| I only watch them on like veoh, I don't download the my computer hard drive. and no i'm not high, I don;t do drugs. If I were downloading them to my com(s) that would be where I draw the line, I should note however that if my ISP told me to stop veoh-ing anime cause its against the law I would. | |
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| said by me1212 :I don't DOWNLOAD them, I meant if they download, not listen to/watch on youtube, there is a difference. heck, by that logic an on granny taeing *insert show here* on a VCR and watching it should be punished, and the whole concept of vcr tapes for sale is wrong. If I were downloading every ep of naruto that would be wrong. Are you high?
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Sterling Heights, MI | Wait a second... Ireland has broadband access? I just we just gave them electricity 3 or 4 years ago.... | |
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Sterling Heights, MI | Re: Who will protect the innocent? Who is going to pick up the cost to implement this system? | |
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| said by TKJunkMail :An independent 3rd party does the actual detecting of copyright violations. The ISP protects the identity of the user of the offending IP addr from the RIAA and just forwards the warning to the offender. 3 times and they are gone. So the ISP outlay would be minimal. I'm curious where that information comes from. That's not the way it works according to Ars Technica: »arstechnica.com/telecom/news/200···sers.ars
the process is generally understood to need some form of appeal or defense. It's not clear from the reporting coming out of Ireland that the Eircom agreement contains any such provisions. It appears that the music industry hands over its evidence, Eircom evaluates it, and a decision is made. Users, at least for now, seem to be shut out According to that, the RIAA makes the accusation about the user and presents it to the ISP. There's no independent third party. Wired News also has a similar report: »blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/0···o-b.html
The RIAA's private detectives perform the surveillance on file sharing networks.
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| Re: Who will protect the innocent? Thanks.
From your first article, it says that the company doing to detecting will be working directly for the music industry.
An independant company working on behalf of the music companies will monitor download piracy with DetecNet, a P2P file sharer and then supply eircom with the IP addresses of all persons who are detected illegally uploading or downloading copyright works on a peer to peer (P2P) basis.
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| Re: Who will protect the innocent? said by badtrip :I postulate ISPs are being PAID for their cooperation with the RIAA. Probably on a per-user disconnected basis. It's the only way I can see a non-content provider ISP wanting to comply. The ISP complied because they were losing a lawsuit in court after an 8 day trial and their lawyers saw the handwriting on the wall - so they settled.
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join:2008-09-23 | so if someone dies cause they cut the phone off lets say i accuse person a) they get cut off hten they have emergency and die.
WHOSE responsible NOW. | |
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OH are hackers gonna have a field day....... | |
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| Re: so if someone dies cause they cut the phone off said by chronoss2009 :lets say i accuse person a) they get cut off hten they have emergency and die. WHOSE responsible NOW. though I think this idea is stupid and is doomed to failure one would only get cutt off after their THIRD strike. I would highly doubt someone would be innocnetly accused 3 straight times. I also dont get how someone is going to die without internet. | |
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| Re: so if someone dies cause they cut the phone off It can happen easily, and hell it happens every day on cable networks. You can buy a fully modded/hacked modem online. All you need to do, is find a Mac Address that is working on another node. Hell, if you can find a business mac address that's working, you can input that into your hacked modem. Take it online, and presto.. Go have fun, downloading until your hearts content.
Don't believe me? »www.tcniso.net/ - »www.roadrunnerguide.com/ - the sites go on and on.
Hackers/Crackers/Pirates - Never use their own connections. So all this crap, is just going to hurt the common consumer like usual.
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| at that point If I lived in Ireland, I would try to get a boycott going.
Or maybe tell every single one of their customers to start downloading from P2P networks out of spite.
I wonder what the ISP will do when they suddenly realize they have to kick literally almost every single one of their customers. | |
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... | BRC I think PenTeleData/Blue Ridge Communications have been doing this for the past year or so, not sure exactly.
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Music Industry Cuts 3 Strike Deal With Irish ISP
It is really dangerous to have the Fox guard the Hen House. If the secret agreements do not include a means for the accused to appeal an unsubstantiated complaint then it is time for whatever serves as a class action suit in Ireland against the RIAA. The copyright holders (RIAA) should be required to pay the ISP's to maintain a department to help subscribers determine if their broadband access has been high jacked. It is obvious that if a business, in this case the RIAA wants to hire a security guard, in this case the ISP, the RIAA should be prepared to pay for the ISP's services. 
The torrent crowd not happy