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join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO | Re: WOOT1!1!11 Gbps, not GBps. IOW Gigabit ethernet crossover'd to fiber to the home. Needless to say, sick.
Verizon could do this with FiOS...if they were willing to oversell like the cable companies do lol. | |
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Or do you somehow believe that they have enough bandwidth to the Internet for all of their business line, DSL, and FIOS customers combined for each of them to have their full speed at all times?
All ISPs/NSPs/Hosting providers have always oversold. If there are any that didn't, they are out of business. | |
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join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO | Re: WOOT1!1!11 Honestly, I don't care about overselling as long as I get the bandwidth I want when I want it. When capacity is high (gigabits per second) then it's very easy to oversell without anyone getting annoyed at the result. | |
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join:2002-09-25 Sussex, NJ | Re: WOOT1!1!11 I'm on Cable and I don't have any peak congestion problems at all.
Probably helps that my node doesn't really have that many people. | |
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join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO | Re: WOOT1!1!11 Probably helps. I don't have many, if any, peak congestion issues here either, however there are plenty of places who do, especially as you go up in the number of uses your node is shared with, particularly on DOCSIS 3. | |
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join:2002-09-25 Sussex, NJ | Re: WOOT1!1!11 I'm on D3 and my speeds are pretty consistent. Almost always get 27-29mbps down and 1700-1900 up at speedtest.net. | |
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join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO | Re: WOOT1!1!11 OTOH you could get those speeds with DOCSIS 2. And you're not on a crowded node. And that's less than 1/3 of the capacity of DOCSIS 3. Plus you've got caps. So I'd say PenTeleData is playing it safe. Which is fine...I suppose... | |
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1gbps is only around 90MB/s (actual) or 125MB/s (theoretical). The newer (regular drives) now have a sustained throughput of 100MB/s with some of the high end drives hitting 250MB/s. Those are both in a non raid configurations. A lot of current motherboards come with built in raid capability so you can almost double those numbers when raid0 is used. Since most of the computers sold in the last few years have GigE Ethernet ports the can make good use of this kind of speed. I have set up a lot of households up with cat6 cable and GigE switches so that they would have this kind of speed in house, for all kinds of large file transfers.
Now on top of that, add what was hinted at above about multiple users in one home. A lot of homes now have a computer for every member. Mom, Dad, Brother, and Sister all online a one time can bring your "average" 16Mbps connection to its knees pretty quick.
All the above is just for today. Think about the bandwidth requirements that a household will have when the 1Gbps system is completed (3-5 years with luck?). | |
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How does QoS change bandwidth? It does not. It just says who gets first in line. In the example I gave lets say that each individual is watching a different stream, how will QoS help? | |
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2 edits | Re: What time frame? I was refering to this comment here:
"Now on top of that, add what was hinted at above about multiple users in one home. A lot of homes now have a computer for every member. Mom, Dad, Brother, and Sister all online a one time can bring your "average" 16Mbps connection to its knees pretty quick."
I don't know about you, but I used to have 4 people connected to a 3 meg down/ 384 kilobit up connection, and I was able to play online games like cz and cod4 with 70-80 ping while the rest of the family downloaded files or surfed the web.
EDIT: I have QoS enabled on my router, and throttle my own bandwidth so one app doesnt choke it out of sight. -- Do or do not, there is no try! - Yoda | |
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QOS just puts who goes first and how much. Again how does that help with bandwidth? Try running 4 HD streams on your 3 meg connection, it will be unwatchable. | |
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If you go back to your first post on this thread, that is why QOS does not make any difference and why 1Gbps (or a huge move in that direction) is usable. | |
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| I don't see why any household would need that kind of bandwidth. I could see 20/20 or 30/15 or even 30/30, but if you use more than the average home, then it might be best if you move up to the business account.
I'm with you on this, but at the same time the world isn't perfect. ISPs want to be the gatekeepers, plain and simple, and if you want unfettered access to the internet, either you protest until you're blue in the face, build your own network (hardly possible), or pay more (which is probably what you will end up doing, sadly).  -- Do or do not, there is no try! - Yoda | |
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Then we got faster processors, and more memory -- and the applications that used them.
said by Tails :I could see 20/20 or 30/15 or even 30/30, but if you use more than the average home, then it might be best if you move up to the business account I'm with you on this, but at the same time the world isn't perfect. ISPs want to be the gatekeepers, plain and simple, and if you want unfettered access to the internet, either you protest until you're blue in the face, build your own network (hardly possible), or pay more (which is probably what you will end up doing, sadly). True -- or support all three.
There is NOTHING wrong with higher fees -- as long as a market is a healthy market, the prices will stay in line. But with these monopolies, we're simply at the mercy of a few despots or we do without. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon -- KJ7RL ... Should we pay those who are "too big to fail" more money to ensure they stay that way? ... | |
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2 edits | Heavy populated areas that's how How many of you have been to South Korea? I much prefer to stay in the US and suffer from lower speeds than live in that country. I could surely bet that none of the farm areas in that country will see those type of services any time soon. I hate it when articles like that compare our country to countries the size of Texas. | |
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join:2005-12-15 Forest Grove, OR | Apples & Oranges Comparison 6 - 9 bil is only stimulus package, not the total spending that would occur.
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Did anybody think 5 years ago, 1TB would be something people would have at home?
Didn't Bill Gates say 640K would be enough for anybody?
Obviously, 1gbps looks crazy by today's standards, but 5 years from now, it doesn't look so crazy. | |
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join:2008-10-23 Baytown, TX | Re: thinking long term Ya 5 years ago I was happy with a little old 4Mbit thinking it does what I need but now I can't stand to be on something that slow if I'm at home
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join:2008-10-23 Baytown, TX | Re: thinking long term Because it'll take 5 years to deploy and in 10 years they're gona want 10G | |
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join:2008-10-23 Baytown, TX | Re: Sigh Now quick everyone buy the fastest Broadband (Um er Wideband, ah whatever) you can | |
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| Re: How will this speed be utilized? You can download from more than one server at a time. There are tons of websites on 10Gbps pipes now. They usually have them limited down to evenly distribute the bandwidth across those connected. Some have it split up dynamically (bnadwidth/#of users) but since so few users have high speed (say 20Mbps +) most just have a hard limit set (say 5 Mbps/user no matter how many users).
I would imagine that once high speed connections are more the norm, servers(or server farms) will move up to even higher speeds. | |
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| Re: We don't need to spend a couple of Billions on broadband said by Jack00 :
The US doesn't need to spend the billions on broadband, we don't have the budget for it. However, we DO have the budget to find trillions of dollars to start a couple of wars and give several hundred billions to Halliburton for "services" contracts, though. Only in America!! Get off the rant bud.. we didn't start this war..
We didn't even really start Iraq, if you look at the history of Iraq.. it was bound to happen sooner or later. I know it's hard to look in history, but are you one of those people that think 9/11 started in 2001? ... do your history books not go back 30 or 40 years? 
I'll admit there was some major corruption in Iraq and that war didn't need to happen EXACTLY when it did.. but dude, we didn't start Afghanistan. | |
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| Re: We don't need to spend a couple of Billions on broadband OK then, war is war, I really don't care, but why is is SO hard to find money for our, the US, infrastructure, healthcare, jobs, BROADBAND!!!, etc... while most democracies can find such money easily without raising taxes. We can easily find money for pork spending, and the military and corrupt people who overcharges, and steals our tax dollar. | |
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| Re: We don't need to spend a couple of Billions on broadband said by Jack00 :
OK then, war is war, I really don't care, but why is is SO hard to find money for our, the US, infrastructure, healthcare, jobs, BROADBAND!!!, etc... while most democracies can find such money easily without raising taxes. We can easily find money for pork spending, and the military and corrupt people who overcharges, and steals our tax dollar. Broadband, bud, is not something that should be handled by the federal government. Was telephone? Power? Water? ANY utility? Seriously.. Government need not spend one shiny dime on broadband. However, their job IS to ensure that the providers that DO build broadband, do it as we the people want it done.. with in regulation, and programs. They operate at the privilege of the people, however, they themselves have rights too.
Health care.. we're already spending $440 billion a year on medicare alone in 2007. Again, it's not government's job to spend on health care. HOWEVER, there are things the government can do to ENCOURAGE savings on health care spending. (And I say THAT lightly) More over sight would be one. Second, the people themselves need to own up and take part in this too. There is a reason why so many people NEED health care, yet they don't want to own up to it. For one, a little less broadband maybe? Stop eating such crappy food? STOP SMOKING! - there's nothing good about it. Cut back on the drinks, eat healthy, exercise more, and so on. But, American's enjoy their vices and refuse to give them up. Obesity is one of the largest expenses in health care today and could be EASILY treated at the personal level.
Jobs. Show me one point in time where government spending ever spurred the economy.. and I'll show you how this very method killed the economy back in the 20's to 1943 after the war. Government spending will not create jobs in this country other than bigger government. Bigger government means more taxes which harms people. Show me one point where higher taxes did the people good.. and I'll show you why we left England years ago in search of a new country.
Infrastructure! Now you're on to something! Yes.. there needs to be more spending there on this I agree with you.
Out government isn't "finding money".. they are printing monopoly money; good for nothing, further devaluing the dollar. Moving off the gold standard was the worse thing this country ever did.
You let this country operate the way it's suppose to, put back protections and oversight in place that was stripped by Bush 1, Clinton, and especially Bush 2, and maybe this country will start to flow again. | |
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| Re: We don't need to spend a couple of Billions on broadband Actually fibreguy yes the Federal Government was involved in telephone, water, and electricity. The easiest to point to is the REA (rural electric association), the telephone was brought out to those same areas by small local companies with government backed loans (later ate up by ATT), water lines were not brought into many areas until the late 1970s (again government backed). How much more expensive would your food be if the government had not made those investments? There is a reason that(relative to most other countries) we spend so little on food.
As far as the health care; compare the AVERAGE persons health care in the US to almost any other industrialized nation. Yes, for the rich there is some of the best health care in the world available in the US, but for the average guy it is not nearly as good as in other countries. | |
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| The US is ranked 37th in the world for healthcare. We're ranked right after Slobovia. How does the US rank 37 when we spend more on health care than any other country in the world? Because we aren't getting what were paying for. The US can't provide the most basic necessity "health care" to its own citizens (by either free enterprise or by the government), at a resonable cost. You are right about staying healthy, because if you get sick in America, your screwed. Sad, but true.
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| Re: 1Gbps ain't worth squat said by Cargopantdude :
Keep in mind that small countries like Korea have populations crammed together so it's easy to develop super high speed internet infrastructure. Consider another country with high per capita internet connections - Iceland, did they not go bankrupt? Speaking of which, Korean banks had to set up a borrowing facility from the US FEDERAL RESERVE, like their own central bank couldn't handle the crisis. Moral of the story is do you want to live in a country that brags about its super high service and overly tacky melodramas but doesn't have their act together when it comes to finances, banking (remember 1997 anyone?), education, cultural insularity... Always some excuse or reason why Americans can't build a Worldclass network.
It would be nice if we could set a 100mbps standard so everyone in the US is connected at the same speed and the network would be a lot more efficient instead of the messy network we have now. | |
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| Re: we dont need this kind of speed in the us said by jvillej :
Our country is much larger than Korea, so people whining need to get over it. I say we slow speeds down so people can go outside and do something productive while they wait for their files to download. Then maybe we will have less lazy scrubs mooching off the workers in this country! .... be patient we will get there when we need to. People like you don't need faster speeds but many Americans could use 100mbps or more for business. It would allow new better online software to finally be launched. Teleconferencing would be dramatically better and who knows what else faster speeds will bring.
People with attitudes like yours must be ignored or America will become a third world country. | |
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| Metering Is The Way To Go I agree we do not need 1GBS in the United States.
After all it is becoming the norm to (sell and restrict service),in the United States.
It is much more cost effictive to employ restrictive traffic mgmt and bandwidth caps with money making overage charges.
Why would any nation want to upgrade there internet backbone at such a high cost.
If you think I agree with this statement - you should go back to dial up.
upgrade,upgrade,upgrade and stop restricting the service I pay for. | |
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