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join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD | Excellent! wow! when docsis 3 is implemented, we can all reach the cap faster! | |
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rawgerz
In Debt we trust
Premium
join:2004-10-03
Grove City, PA | Re: Excellent! I wonder what servers can even keep up with 10MBps much less, 100.
I can't even load most sites at 100KB.. | |
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MattE
Obama '08
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
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| Re: Excellent! I would max out my 15Mbps connection when I download large files.
I downgraded to the 6Mbps package and believe it or not, I knew when the downgrade went into effect two days later. I could tell that my browsing was a tad slower.
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| | fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| It's not all about "the internet"....
So, if you want to know what servers can keep up with this, in the case of Comcast, it's going to be their IPTV servers, interactive services, and other internal services. Many people forget that Comcast is still a television provider first, and internet second.
I've said this for months now.. DS3.0 is not all about putting out 100mb to the home for surfing the internet. (All your P2P people need to wipe the saliva from your mouths... now) It is a way for cable to break out of the fixed frequency spectrum limitations they have now in order to deliver more services like HD channels, more video programming, and yes, some more speed, but it's not going to be 100MB up and down for surfing... forget that idea right now.
I know many people are going to come back bitching, pissing and moaning that "this is a reason for net neutrality" and every other statement, but just because it's packet data doesn't mean it has to go beyond the head end... keep that in mind before all the mud slinging and insults.
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join:2005-09-22
San Jose, CA
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| said by rawgerz  :I wonder what servers can even keep up with 10MBps much less, 100. I can't even load most sites at 100KB.. Right now I'm throttling my use down to about 1MBytes/s=8Mbits/s outbound to be nice to others in the local network. If I opened it up, it'd go to 3.7MBytes/s=30Mbits/s quickly (settling at about 3.4MBytes/s -- I tried it for a minute), and if the local network allowed me, it'd be at more like 50MBytes/second right now.
But those are at current uses. Future uses (what we should be planning for installation today) would be much more. | |
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56578233
join:2007-09-07
| said by nasadude :wow! when docsis 3 is implemented, we can all reach the cap faster! Or you could live in a neighborhood that offers FiOS, instead. | |
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join:2005-09-22
San Jose, CA
·Comcast
·SONIC.NET
| Re: Excellent! said by 56578233 :said by nasadude :wow! when docsis 3 is implemented, we can all reach the cap faster! Or you could live in a neighborhood that offers FiOS, instead. Hah! They are nowhere near the max of their bandwidth abilities (just sort of at the bottom right now), but they could impose all sorts of rediculous impediments to Internet use that would really curtail its usefulness, or they could offer a great set of products. Who knows. | |
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JSRoman
Premium
join:2005-03-10
Callahan, FL
| ouch! " To get those speeds, users need to purchase a $525 modem and shell out $121.80 per month."
Yea I'm sure that pricepoint won't be a problem for most BBR users. 
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | Re: ouch! no, and when they lower it by $200 a few months later, all the whiny babies can complain to get a $100 rebate.
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dadkins
Living on a Blu Planet
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA | So, $62.50 will get me 50mbps? We can do that...  | |
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join:2006-09-08
Alexandria, VA
·Comcast
| Re: ouch! said by dadkins :So, $62.50 will get me 50mbps? We can do that... 512K up... | |
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join:2005-06-17
Ballwin, MO | For the life-of-me I cannot understand why people think that broadband in general and increased speeds should be relatively low cost or free? | |
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join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| Re: ouch! said by ftth_freak :For the life-of-me I cannot understand why people think that broadband in general and increased speeds should be relatively low cost or free? my feeling is if France and Japan can do it, why can't the U.S. have affordable ($40 for bb, TV, phone), fast (50-100Mbps) broadband?
Because we are in the U.S. we should be paying high prices for less service? | |
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| fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
| Wouldn't bother me in the least..
I shelled out FAR more than that just for 384/128 DSL service from PacBell back in 1997.
Currently:
8.0/786 Comcast - $52.00 mo (owned modem)
1.5/896 Qwest - $65.00 mo (owned modem)
$117.00 per month
so, for $4 more, I'd be happy to shell out the money.
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| said by JSRoman :" To get those speeds, users need to purchase a $525 modem and shell out $121.80 per month." Yea I'm sure that pricepoint won't be a problem for most BBR users. And then it will be "up to 100mbps*"
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* provider doesn't guarantee speeds, error free service or anything else the provider might have to pay extra for(service provided is best effort)
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| ditka_b
Premium
join:2001-10-05
Barrington, IL | SOLD way better than a silly iphone lol | |
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ztmike
1kwikgt
Premium
join:2001-08-02 | Cablevision boost I'd be happy with 30/5 | |
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| Justin413
join:2003-07-22
Methuen, MA | Re: Cablevision boost Will DOCSIS3 be able to surpass the speed of verizon Fios? outta curiousity. thanks | |
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join:2006-06-10
Hollis, NH
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September 7th, @01:20PM
| Re: Cablevision boost said by Justin413 :Will DOCSIS3 be able to surpass the speed of verizon Fios? outta curiousity. thanks The answer is not easy and is not all about the "speed" quoted by marketing or the technology used (fiber vs. cable). The speed marketed refers to the last mile only and does not take into account
• how fast your PC will go (processor, NIC, disk speed, etc)
• the oversubscription of the Telco CO or Cable CMTS
• the speed and congestion of ISP traffic exchange points
• the speed of the content
The real answer is, both will be very fast no matter what they hype or FUD is. 8M Powerboost will have a similar end user experience as 20M fiber for 98% of all users. | |
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join:2005-05-24
Pittsburgh, PA
| A more direct answer to your question:
No. FIOS technology is capable of more bandwidth than DOCSIS3:
DOCSIS3: 160.00 Mbit/s
FIOS BPON: 622.08 Mbit/s (what they started out installing)
FIOS GPON: 2.4 Gbit/s (what they are installing now) | |
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| Re: Cablevision boost said by as6o :A more direct answer to your question: No. FIOS technology is capable of more bandwidth than DOCSIS3: DOCSIS3: 160.00 Mbit/s FIOS BPON: 622.08 Mbit/s (what they started out installing) FIOS GPON: 2.4 Gbit/s (what they are installing now) The question is not the total bandwidth but how much is allocated to the user. If you go to DOCSIS with 20 users sharing that 160 Mb/s, that is only 8Mb/s PER USER not the claimed 160 Mb/s. Also, you have to remember that all DOCSIS 3.0 does is allow the user to be using more than one channel at the same time instead of being restricted to one channel. It thus only reallocates the bandwidth (channels) on that node leg in a different way. You still must split the nodes as at present since there is a fixed number of channels to use in each node segment.
This same "how to cut up the pie" requirement also applies to the FIOS Bandwidth (you need more pies to give larger pieces or you have less people getting pie slices if you keep the number of pies constant). | |
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telcolackey
The Truth? You can't handle the truth
join:2007-04-06
Death Valley, CA
| This is a little like comparing apples to oranges.
2.4Gbit/sec is over the entire FIOS GPON and, by default, shared by all subscribers in a fiber serving group.
DOCSIS3.0 delivers 160M using only 4 of say 125 6Mhz channels. This could be shared, dedicated or muxed to even higher speeds depending on the need. The other channels are used for analog or digital TV, HD, VOD, voice services, etc. These allocations can also be shifted around.
Either way, both deliver the needed speeds for todays user experience and each will have technology increases over the next few years.
The major REAL business difference is FIOS is new and EXTREMELY expensive to install. Verizon is going to require MANY years to recover this investment and during that time technology will become cheaper after Verizon spends all the up front $$. | |
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join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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| Re: Cablevision boost So wrong , quoting the provider of some of the equipment they are using for FIOS.
"Based on these trends and predictions, APON/BPON will no longer have the throughput to support the average home in 3 years, while GPON will have the throughput to support those same homes for almost 10 years. Plus, if these predictions are off, GPON can use CWDM technology to provide up to 4 times the current 2.3Gbps of raw bandwidth using the same fiber infrastructure." (Firmware upgrade needed)
This is per group of users. IE groups of 32 on the same "Shade". Verizon uses the same frequency but dedicates it to a different shade at the junction, where it is muxed into or out of the data stream and sent to it's destination.
"Based on these trends and predictions, BPON barely has enough throughput today. GPON will be able to provide the bandwidth for over 3 years, at which time; the provider will have to use multiple virtual GPONs over the same physical PON to support the same MDU Today 3 Years 6 Years 10 Years
Number of MDU 16 16 16 16
Appartments in each MDU 12 12 12 12
BW per appartment [Mbps] 3 12 27.5 37.5
Total BW [Mbps] 576 1536 5280 7200
10 /MDU customer base. This option is not currently available to BPON users. This is accomplished by using CWDM to supply 6 wavelengths for 3 different GPON networks. While this will require some equipment changes, the physical plant will be able to support the data needs for over 10 years. If these predictions are off, GPON can use CWDM technology to provide up to 4 times the current 2.3Gbps of raw bandwidth using the same fiber infrastructure."
Not bad.
"With CWDM technology, a single fiber plant can support up to 128 ONTs and up to 9.2 Gbps of raw data per shade. This is accomplished by using passive filters rather than passive splitters. Passive filters have a much smaller optical loss than passive splitters, so the overall link
budget can handle more optical splits with the same link budget."
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join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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| Re: Cablevision boost Oh yeah , notice how that bandwidth is per 128 ONT's Verizon has a good plan with this system.
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join:2005-09-09
Lancaster, PA | No. | |
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ztmike
1kwikgt
Premium
join:2001-08-02 | nope. No. FiOS is all fiber controlled (FTTH) while cable companys are FTTN.
Theres a more detailed way of saying it but this is in plain english, and im just tired. | |
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Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH | Re: nope. Time Warner uses fiber in their commercials too but it does not state that its fiber to the home. It just says with its 100% complete fiber optic network. or something like that. I'm sure Comcast has the same wording. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| Re: nope. said by hottboiinnc :Time Warner uses fiber in their commercials too but it does not state that its fiber to the home. It just says with its 100% complete fiber optic network. or something like that. I'm sure Comcast has the same wording. Well every cable company that offers cablemodem service has fibre in their setups but the way HFC works its limited bandwidth per node.
Verizon has a max of 32 subs on a 622/155 node, Cable on the other hand has hundreds of subs on a 38/10 node.
Don't the current modems have a 100mbit WAN port.
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Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
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| Re: nope. I know how that cable companies have HFC networks which is fiber farther into the customer more than what the bells have---even VZ since they're just now offering FTTH and in limited areas.
I'm not sure if the current modems have a 100mbit WAN port but i think they do. | |
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idjk
@208.24.x.x | You can get to Comcast secret download limit really, really fast- then read a book for the rest of the mo. | |
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BillRoland
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join:2001-01-21
Ocala, FL
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| Re: Is DOCSIS 2.0 even being used yet? said by Morac :I'm pretty sure DOCSIS 2.0 isn't even widely used yet. It's not as good as DOCSIS 3.0, but it's here now and every little bit helps. I'm pretty sure Cox's entire footprint is DOCSIS 2.0 and has been for a while.
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| nobody gonna pile-on right away.. Any cable company who is STILL using docsis 1.1 is TOO DAMN CHEAP to upgrade to docsis 3.0 right away. This is especially true for places where THERE IS NO REAL COMPETITION. AT&T-- no real competition, QWEST-- no real competition. The teeny tiny FTTP deployments outside of Verizon territory (some municipal deployments, some AT&T, QWEST micro deployment towns) but that's about it.. absolutely NO incentive to jump on that bandwagon until the likes of Time Warner & Cablevision jump on the docsis 3.0 hardware with rapid deployment, so that they bring costs of the hardware down.
Companies are also very stingy to bring higher bandwidth to residential customers for fear they'd actually USE it for purposes that would detract from company profits (3rd party services & p2p applications). | |
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LCPTeck
join:2000-02-27
singapore
| Switching to cable.. Some of my friends are using the 100mbps cable connection from Starhub, and feedback it's quite fantastic for local content. I recently subscribed to a 6mbps/256kbps Cable service, will should be up in 2 weeks time.
Oh yeah the pricing stated in the article is in Singapore Dollars.
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MattE
Obama '08
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC | Re: Switching to cable.. That's still $344 for the modem and $80/month. Not too bad really. | |
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TripmasterG
join:2004-01-01
Centreville, VA | Stoner Culture? via Starhub's linked page:
"Everybody can feel the rush on the Fat Green Pipe!"  | |
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Justin413
join:2003-07-22
Methuen, MA
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| geez thanks, you guys gotta calm down here | |
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| wispagod
join:2001-06-28
House Springs, MO | Re: geez you all realize that this is still cheaper than a T1 at 100x the speed no mater what it cost it's worth it to a BUSINESS! | |
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Elcabong
Cuba SI, Castro NO
join:2000-03-09
Philadelphia, PA | The internet is dead The internet is dead so why worry about 100mbs, Mark Cuban said so. | |
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Is DOCSIS 2.0 even being used yet?