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Maybe, Just not for the United States...
(old news - 02:38PM Thursday Aug 21 2008)
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At the moment, there's three front-runners for the fourth-generation wireless broadband crown: 3GPP LTE (Long Term Evolution), mobile WiMax and 3GPP2 UMB (Ultra Mobile Broadband). All three standards will offer low latency and theoretical max speeds that will eventually make current US EVDO and HSDPA speeds (and even some home landline connections) seem anemic. However, while UMB is waning fast and WiMax has an early lead (dependent on Sprint's success), LTE is officially leading the 4G push.

According to the GSM Association (GSMA), the deployment of LTE technology should be able to deliver real world speeds of 100 Mbps in Japan and South Korea by 2010, Europe by 2012 and the U.S. by... well, later. "Tests show LTE can produce speeds up to 186 Mbps," said GSMA director Dan Warren. "But obviously you never get the top speed and they vary with distance from the base station and interference." Both AT&T and Verizon have decided to embrace LTE as their 4G wireless broadband flavor of choice, with trials starting this year. You can be fairly certain the speeds you see from either of those carriers at first won't be anywhere near 100Mbps.

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MarkyD
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bandwidth

I'd be amazed to see AT&T/VZ offer speeds of even 10mbps on their 4g networks.
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EPS

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Re: bandwidth

It depends on the capacity of the networks- if offering 100Mbps speeds means the network quality will degenerate into nothing with relatively small numbers of users per tower, then I'd prefer T/VZW to offer lower speeds for a better overall experience. But if the system can provide it, and there are no technical barriers, why not offer 100Mbps speeds? Of course they won't be cheap... (Then again, cellular carriers up to this point have not really had "speed tiers", the closest thing being whether you wanted 2G or 3G data)

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Re: bandwidth

said by EPS See Profile :

It depends on the capacity of the networks- if offering 100Mbps speeds means the network quality will degenerate into nothing with relatively small numbers of users per tower, then I'd prefer T/VZW to offer lower speeds for a better overall experience. But if the system can provide it, and there are no technical barriers, why not offer 100Mbps speeds? Of course they won't be cheap... (Then again, cellular carriers up to this point have not really had "speed tiers", the closest thing being whether you wanted 2G or 3G data)
100mbps + 5GB cap = lol
EPS

join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA

Re: bandwidth

Haha, true enough... but any real 100mbps connection would essentially kill DSL and cable's high end customers- hell, it'd be a threat to FiOS (which doesn't have 100mbps publicly available but likely will in a few years) if the prices are right.

Though, if LTE wireless offered enough speed, could at&t theoretically offer U-Verse IPTV over it, and wipe out their physical plant entirely?

DaMaGeINC
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wow. nice.

It amazes me how this country is soo behind.

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Re: wow. nice.

said by DaMaGeINC See Profile :

It amazes me how this country is soo behind.
Heh, look north of the border if you wanna laugh even more.
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DaMaGeINC
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Re: wow. nice.

said by HiVolt See Profile :

said by DaMaGeINC See Profile :

It amazes me how this country is soo behind.
Heh, look north of the border if you wanna laugh even more.
Well, that does not supprise me one bit. Its all ice and snow.

MarkyD
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said by HiVolt See Profile :

said by DaMaGeINC See Profile :

It amazes me how this country is soo behind.
Heh, look north of the border if you wanna laugh even more.
that may be the case, but 3g on Rogers seems to be blazing fast in comparison to AT&T 3g.
Sad.

About the article...I'd be very content with 10mbps down/1mbps up on a mobile device. That should be do-able.

Calcium

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Re: wow. nice.

Australia has that now 14.4mbps capacity towers, handsets are only at 7mbps

Nerdtalker
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said by HiVolt See Profile :

Heh, look north of the border if you wanna laugh even more.
But look south of the border if you want to laugh the hardest.

L337
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Eh... you have no idea =D We are consider pretty much screw.

ninjatutle
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Don't make it affordable

Make it unlimited and out of the price range for the average joe. I don't want mofo thieves ruining 4G like they did with 3G.

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Re: Don't make it affordable

said by ninjatutle See Profile :

Make it unlimited and out of the price range for the average joe. I don't want mofo thieves ruining 4G like they did with 3G.
Are you retarded? You are what is wrong with America today.
You want it to be priced out of the average Joe's budget to...deter pirates? Give me a fucking break.

ninjatutle
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Re: Don't make it affordable

So I take it you don't agree. Well too bad

Hazy Arc

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Yeah...Right

No way the backhauls from the cell towers can handle 100Mbps per user.
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Re: Yeah...Right

said by Hazy Arc See Profile :

No way the backhauls from the cell towers can handle 100Mbps per user.
Exactly. They'd have to start piping in some faster backhaul connections if we're ever going to get 10 Mb/s, much less 100. As it stands, most towers are fed only 1 or 2 T1's.
patcat88

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Jamaica, NY

Re: Yeah...Right

Its time to increase the number of T1s. At $500 a mo each, you need 20 of them for a T3 to become cheaper assuming a T3 is $10K a month.

meh37

@verizon.net

I'm all for "pushing the envelope", ...

but should I worry/complain about not being able to get 100mbps over wireless any time soon?
ydoucare

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Rensselaer, IN

Re: I'm all for "pushing the envelope", ...

You won't get 100 Mb/s wireless for a LONG time, so there's no point in even giving it a thought at this point in time.
Lazlow

join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO

Just shows how far the US is behind.

Japan and Korea will have 100Mbps wireless before the US has 100Mbps wired available (at a reasonable price and in most areas). Its just sad how far we have fallen.

DaMaGeINC
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Re: Just shows how far the US is behind.

said by Lazlow See Profile :

Japan and Korea will have 100Mbps wireless before the US has 100Mbps wired available (at a reasonable price and in most areas). Its just sad how far we have fallen.
decifal

join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN

we just need something that works

To heck with 100mbps, we just need 6mbps with low latency at affordable prices.. if we are going to cap it, well do what comcast is doing and go with a usable 250 gig cap... Least you can use your netflix or other streaming services without blowing your monthly wad..

Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA

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There's no point

I had 30Mb and later 50Mb service from Verizon and very rarely found any server that could come remotely close to serving those speeds. In a portable device it's even more pointless.
EPS

join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA

Re: There's no point

That's true. Really, the biggest benefit I think there is to a high speed connection is for sharing it- we have up to five people on our 20/5 FiOS connection at times. However, with a wireless connection, usually you're the only one on the specific connection.

DustySilicon

join:2002-10-06
Oak Grove, MO
"Tests show LTE can produce speeds up to 186 Mbps," said GSMA director Dan Warren.
Tests and real are two different worlds. Don't get excited over this marketing gibberish.
Lazlow

join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO
I think you mean "any one server". Personally I use multiple servers at the same time. Sometimes it is to accomplish one task but usually there are several independent tasks running at once. I do not use p2p.

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Re: There's no point

I even resorted to download managers to open multiple connections and it didn't help much. Yeah, I could have opened 20-30 connections doing a dozen different things, but that simply doesn't happen that often, certainly not often enough to worry about not having 100Mb service.
cchhat01
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join:2001-05-01
Elmhurst, NY

Wireless Carriers in US are such Jerks!

I've said what I wanted to...
please, don't let me stop this ranting...

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sibisties

join:2002-10-19
Boisbriand, QC

Yeah, right...

And WiMax was also supposed to deliver 70Mbps over a 30 miles radius four years ago...

I'll believe that thing when I'll see it deployed and working in a REAL environment.
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY

Re: Yeah, right...

70Mbps per tower on multiple separate channel blocks. 30 miles at .5 mbps.

There you have it.
ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
Stratford, CT

crzy

How much speed do all you idiots need LOL

BBR Geek #1 , Yes ! I can download Ice Ice Baby in 3 seconds !

BBR Geek #2 , Ha ! Got ya beat ! Ive done it in 1 second !

You know, most of you wont be happy until your processors cant keep up with the POTENTIAL speeds of your internet connection. Every single day, I install 20/5 service to people and all I can think is how overkill this is to 99% of the customers.
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY

Re: crzy

Overkill means there is slack in the system for hogs

Big Bad Dog

@qwest.net

Bits per hertz

4G is 5 bits per hertz. What you can send in a theoretical burst to one user in a sector of a cell site devoting all available hertz and assuming very small cell sites is not how many megabytes you can offer each of your customers a month given economics driven by Shannon's law.

How many megabytes will the average user get in a month? That's the important question. What you can burst at is not what you can stream at.

That journalists swallow this rubbish is sad.
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY

Re: Bits per hertz

Yeah, 100mbps. Your running out of SNR and frequency.

Time to start removing under 5GHZ satellite users and start killing off duplicate radar bands/decrease allocation, and force all radionavigation to digital and more efficient systems than analog.

Also time to kill all the analog business radios, most if not all of which can be replaced with Nextel or a cellphone.

mc1lean

join:2007-11-18
Lincolnton, NC

re:100 mpb wireless ??? Whats a mb?

I'd be happy if Sprint could keep mt at 1mb down and get me over 100k up w/o dropping me several times a day (not to mention threatening me with a cap).
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