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Qwest last week claimed that it would cost them $3 billion to get 7 Mbps broadband service available to 95% percent of its current footprint -- assuming taxpayers are willing to foot the bill. That's of course first-generation DSL, providing even deployment of their 12Mbps & 20Mbps ADSL2+ service would cost substantially more. Qwest has been lobbying a long time for a stimulus plan that would involve money being doled out to the States, who would then give the money to carriers willing to deploy 7Mbps to 95% of each State -- with industry-backed Connected Nation likely checking the math. The AP makes it clear Qwest is gunning for Federal funds, and is unhappy with the current $7 billion plan:
Larry Sarjeant, vice president of legislative affairs at Qwest Communications International Inc., said the Denver-based phone company could use $3 billion to expand Internet access to 2 million households and small businesses in 14 Western states, many of them thinly populated. Because Qwest is unlikely to get that large a share of the funds, and the number of households that sign up for service will be smaller still, the net effect would be at most a few hundred thousand new Internet subscribers. Qwest added 236,000 broadband subscribers on its own last year.
As we've mentioned previously, Qwest's sudden concern about even broadband coverage is a little disingenuous, given they have a history of spending millions of dollars to crush town and city efforts to wire themselves when nobody else would. Of course since this initial $7 billion package is only the opening salvo in the Obama broadband plan -- Qwest may get their money down the line.

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WiseOldNerd
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No Money!!

Since Qwest won't even upgrade their existing copper to make the new services available, they should be banned from getting any money. Don't trust them!
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qwest customer

@qwest.net

Re: No Money!!

Agreed. or A Greed. Qwest is quickly falling below AOL for business ethics (IMHO). Paying for a 14.99/month 1.5Mbs service under a promo, but because of a time of month clause in fine print, some months will be $45 / month. Customer service will not correct this. What does this mean to the taxpayer? Probably that the fine print will change the terms of agreement beyond anyone's understanding, and qwest walks away with the $$$. The taxpayers money, that is.
hottboiinnc
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join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH

Re: No Money!!

SBC used to do the same thing. It actually means read the contract and terms BEFOE signing up and NOT after you sign-up.

qwest customer

@qwest.net

Re: No Money!!

as a follow up, this wasn't documented in fine print. This, I was told by qwest cs is a qwest policy, service was ordered over phone in response to a mailer. No fine print available at my end, so I gave up. CS informs of an undocumented billing policy, I have little choice but to deal with it.
Will our representatives be reading the fine print in a qwest deal (and investigating every doc'd/ undoc'd policy) before or after they have given away taxpayer money?
hottboiinnc
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join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
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Re: No Money!!

the flyers may not have the fine print but you can ALWAYS go online and read the TOS. if you don't have "net access go to the library, a neighbors house, somewhere else. Again its YOUR fault not Qwest's. And its interesting you're the only one saying something about this.

lightwave1

@iauq.com
'qwest customer'@qwest.net--- some months aren't $45... what you're referring to is their policy of billing you a prorated month and one month in advance. That is not an abnormal strategy, many companies follow that same math.

qcustomer

@qwest.net

Re: No Money!!

your point is understood! some months will be $45. This is shown on the bill, not just the prorated at the beginning.
Qwest CS told me to expect this (and that I will see it again). Several explicit questions were asked at the time of order. The prorating is lapsing into full months of service. I read the TOS off of the net, and the specific undocumented billing charge I'm referring to has something to do with service change request within x days of the beginning of my billing cycle. I have been ASSURED by CS that the 45/mnth will recur if any changes to qwest package occur.
I was even informed at one point of a several hundred dollar early termination fee by CS. They backed down, when I pointed out that the phone log I generated from the order call, explicitely stated no early termination fee. This is only one very specific detail of a great many poor experiences by myself and others in this area with qwest,
which is why I conclude they have very poor business ethics.

techdude41

@qwest.net
Sorry, not sure how wise you are if you think it is just an upgrade in copper. Fiber to the NODE or even the home is the future as well as wifi.

cdru
Go Colts
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Fort Wayne, IN

Any one with info...

...on how I (or my family) can become a business so that we can request handouts from the government? I'm a good citizen. I pay my bills on time. I always pay my taxes. Why don't they give us average Joes a little lovin' too.

middleofknowhere

@wyoming.net

Re: Any one with info...

You don't qualify.

Why?

You pay your bills, on time even! Shame, SHAME!

You always pay your taxes? How dare you!

I'll bet your even polite and have never even committed a felony. Yet you dare ask for $$$ from tax payers! The unmitigated gaul of some people.

cdru
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Re: Any one with info...

said by middleofknowhere :

I'll bet your even polite and have never even committed a felony.
I once drove over 90. Is that close enough to a felony?
Sammer

join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA

Re: Any one with info...

said by cdru See Profile :

I once drove over 90. Is that close enough to a felony?
No you'll have to do a lot more than that. Just don't be cruel to animals because they'll send you to prison for that.

KrK
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said by cdru See Profile :

I'm a good citizen. I pay my bills on time. I always pay my taxes.
Ah, see there's your problem.

You need to take up greed, lack of ethics, self-interest above all else, and cheat on your taxes and screw other people out of what you owe. Then you're eligible!


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The Beer
I Love It When A Plan Comes Together
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When this house gets broadband, package is a WIN.

Buddy of mine lives just outside of Glenwood, IA.
(About 20min south of Omaha Metro)

No DSL
No Cable
No Fixed Wireless
No EVDO

He uses Wildblue for an attempt at HSI, when he is served will be my benchmark for if this plan is a hit or miss.

What he would do for simply EVDO internet on a Aircard let alone 1.5 DSL!

Jim_in_VA

join:2004-07-11
Cobbs Creek, VA

Re: When this house gets broadband, package is a WIN.

Your buddy in Glenwood has a good chance with Sprint EVDO & the right gear.
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The Beer
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Re: When this house gets broadband, package is a WIN.

Using a Wilson booster with a 5db outdoor antenna was no joy.

Jim_in_VA

join:2004-07-11
Cobbs Creek, VA
5 db won't cut it. He needs at least a 19 dB directional.
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The Beer
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Re: When this house gets broadband, package is a WIN.

Forgot no line of sight either, he is in a hole.

kamm

join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY

Re: When this house gets broadband, package is a WIN.

Your buddy needs to build a tower like this: 60 Feet to High Speed: man builds own reception tower

woody7
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hmmmm.....

Let me get this straight. We, meaning the government gives/loans them (meaning Telcos) money to do something that they should already have done with all the taxes and subsidies that they already have gotten....then give us subpar service at a substantial price.......Priceless

when the govt. gives them money, maybe they should get a stake in the business, and voting rights...hmmm
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BlooMe

John Galt
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Re: hmmmm.....

Take a look at this report...
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jadebangle
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1 edit

DSL is still inferior to 100 or 1000mbps Lan

Fios greatly shortening this distance to 1000FT or LESS
It would be a waste of investment to use it for ADSL or Cable as these are inferior and have poor upload performance.

Too bad that only 10-15 percent of subscriber are able to get 15-20mbps with a measly 896kbps on upload
Copper based technology has its limitation... distance, bandwidth issues, noise issues, isn't easier then fiber optic to deploy. the longer the line the weaker the signal, fiber has none of these limitation thats why it has potential to grow to any capacity the only limitation is the hardware

speed of 100mbps are just a fraction of what fiber can do
speed of 1gpbs or 1000mbps will be the next upgrade for fiber

ADSL and Cable will be left in the dust
It won't be able to catch up

When fiber goes 1gpbs, cable will be bragging about 50mbps as their top tier, ADSL 20mbps still the same crappy upload.

Qwest like the rest of the bozo att,roadrunner,charter,cox etc that only increase you download dramatically while keeping the upload as low as possible is not going to cut it for broadband user. It is a crippled connection for leeching only and have no other uses.

ATT u-verse is a joke because all they did was use fiber partially to shorten the distance and make it possible for user to receive higher DSL speed such as 6mbps/1 and 10/1.5
What a waste of fiber technology
Austinloop

join:2001-08-19
Austin, TX

Re: DSL is still inferior to 100 or 1000mbps Lan

said by jadebangle See Profile :

the longer the line the weaker the signal, fiber has none of these limitation thats why it has potential to grow to any capacity the only limitation is the hardware

Having been in the fiber business (network transmission) for around 20 + years, let me inform you that there is loss in fiber cable and it needs regeneration, just as copper lines do, just the distances are further.

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Re: DSL is still inferior to 100 or 1000mbps Lan

The loss is minimal like 3 percent
for copper its 97 percent so I am correct
you are basing your opinion on disinformation heard from another misinformed user who is never used optic fiber or done any research on it
your opinion are bias and you need to do some more reading on fiber optic before coming to this conclusion.
viperlmw
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·Qwest.net

Re: DSL is still inferior to 100 or 1000mbps Lan

said by Austinloop See Profile :

said by jadebangle See Profile :

the longer the line the weaker the signal, fiber has none of these limitation thats why it has potential to grow to any capacity the only limitation is the hardware

Having been in the fiber business (network transmission) for around 20 + years, let me inform you that there is loss in fiber cable and it needs regeneration, just as copper lines do, just the distances are further.
said by jadebangle See Profile :

The loss is minimal like 3 percent
for copper its 97 percent so I am correct
you are basing your opinion on disinformation heard from another misinformed user who is never used optic fiber or done any research on it
your opinion are bias and you need to do some more reading on fiber optic before coming to this conclusion.
Uhh, Jade, better do some research as it appears you don't actually work with the physical layer. Austin appears to have at least some knowledge, and I will certainly not dispute his 20 years. Hell, I only have 10, and I know he's correct.

jadebangle
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Re: DSL is still inferior to 100 or 1000mbps Lan

here is some reading for you misinformed user
10 or 20 years whatever fiber only been around for the last 5 years so those claim are bs or bogus!
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_fiber

If you're just trying to win an argument, its very amusing

jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Reston, VA

Re: DSL is still inferior to 100 or 1000mbps Lan

Here is some interesting information about signal loss and fiber.

»store.a2zcable.com/fiopcadi.html
hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
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fiber has been around a lot longer than 5years. HA!

How do you think the Internet was built off FIBER! AOL even built their own Fiber backbone back in the day! TWC has been offering RR for more than 5 years! Excite@home was around long before 5 years ago

you need to do your own research and stop relying on Wiki

jadebangle
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Re: DSL is still inferior to 100 or 1000mbps Lan

Thats very funny for someone who is not on fiber broadband

FTTN fiber to the neighborhood?

I don't consider dsl,cable copper based fiber just cause the backbone aka central office are partially fiber optic.
Are you calling analog dialup fiber broadband too because you see the isp uses fiber wire to handle all the traffic?
again most of you are still clueless how fiber give amazing bandwidth when connected directly to your home
when i said 5 years i meant for average consumer. i never even heard about it before verizon fios came into existent that was in 2003... which mean the majority of us about 99.9 percent. before that it was still in developement so give me a break. dsl,cable is an 80's technology, fiber is 90's but did not come into use for broadband until much later

hottboiinnc
ME

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Re: DSL is still inferior to 100 or 1000mbps Lan

your nuts! flat out nuts!

And you're very funny by saying that just because the last mile is not FTTH the entire thing is not fiber.

You said above that FIBER has only been around for 5 years. I said NO! It's been around longer and now your claiming the last mile because someone proved your wrong.

But then again youre the one that claims that SureWest cable DID NOT buy your cable company but instead is another overbuilder to your area.

You need some help.

And Surewest has had FTTH BEFORE VZ. Just because its not a national company does not mean it wasn't done. Qwest was one of the FIRST Phone companies to do VDSL and offer CableTV. But because it wasn't national or nationwide it wasn't "important huh". You need to get over VZ and stop dreaming you'll have them some day.

And again FIBER WAS AROUND BEFORE CABLE TV service!
Austinloop

join:2001-08-19
Austin, TX

Okay, jade, I coordinated the installation of fiber to a hut for DLC, at a DS-3 rate on multimode fiber in the late 80's, I assume that that is at least 20 years ago. I have supervised the installation and maintenance of fiber optic multiplexers up to and including OC-192. And they do have loss budgets that have to be taken into account. Let me ask how much fiber you have put in the ground and spliced?

dvd536
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said by jadebangle See Profile :

Too bad that only 10-15 percent of subscriber are able to get 15-20mbps with a measly 896kbps on upload
Don't forget they also give up 15% of that 896kbps upload in tired old PPPoE/A overhead!
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hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH

Re: DSL is still inferior to 100 or 1000mbps Lan

but DSL is suppose to be such a great product! talk about someone not giving truth in advertising.
iansltx

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Don't Give Qwest One Red Cent...

Unless it's an after-the-fact payment for their rolling out ADSL2+ to currently served areas or ADSL (with 2+ closer in) for unserved areas. Middle of town and can get only 5 Mbps on DSL, and some people can only get 1.5 Mbps.

Or only give them money if they redo their lines with FTTH. Having effectively 700k of upload speed is totally bunk, especially on a 17 Mbps (20 * .85) connection!

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patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY

lie

By area, or by population, or by Central Offices or by "markets"?

That is the question.

BF69

join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

yeah ok

"Qwest: $1 Billion Would Provide 95% DSL Coverage"

Well then they should set back $1 bil of their profit and do that then. That's how business is supposed to work.
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY

Re: yeah ok

said by BF69 See Profile :

"Qwest: $1 Billion Would Provide 95% DSL Coverage"

Well then they should set back $1 bil of their profit and do that then. That's how business is supposed to work.
Not when you have stockholders who only settle for blood.

Bronnster

join:2007-12-05
Hazelton, ID
·Qwest.net

The only one to stand up to Bushies spying?

Wasn't Qwest the only major Telco that said no to the DoD and Homeland Security about wiretapping? Wasn't AT&T. Sprint, PacBell, Verizon all doing it and getting away with it? Didn't all those "Spying on Americans" Telco's receive Direct-awarded government contracts and Qwest received nothing for their patronage? Now, they have a chance at funds and the same American people they stood up for are telling them to "F-off!"?!
I for one am a Qwest DSL user and am happy with the service and very proud to be a patron of their service. They stood up for this American when all the other cowards didn't. So, I hope Qwest gets everything they want. The other Traitors can "f-off" as far as I'm concerned.

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sykchyld

join:2008-12-26
Syracuse, NY

I say

I say give all the money to verizon, verizon is the only company who is trying to make any change, and has already put its own money into improving infrastructure
hottboiinnc
ME

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Re: I say

why give the money to VZ? they already got their share by offloading the New England states to Fairpoint and writing a good amount of that debt off. Why give a company more money on top of the write offs they already got.

STUPID idea! The money should be given to small ISPs that actually service the towns and cities they're in instead of giving the money to ATT so they can expand their U-Crap TV service and send more jobs overseas and the same with VZ. They have the money to build out they can spend their own damn cash. They just don't want to.

KrK
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Sure, Taxpayers can foot the bill....

If the service is then free since they paid for it.

OH Wait... Qwest wants the citizens to build it for them AND then pay them for using it.....

Corporate greed knows no bounds.
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Techdude41

@qwest.net

No copper needed in up grade,

Any one who knows anything about the telco or communications industry at all knows that all company's that supply broadband-DSL-or dial tone are upgrading all of their infrastructure. Qwest deployed over 300 millin in new plant last year both verison and ATT put in over a Billion in new plant. The cable providers did the same. What i want is a fair set of rules. Due to deregulation in 1984 the goverment holds telco's to a larger set of rules. The cable companies have an advantage now and all the rules need to change. I believe whom ever deploys wireless on a large scale will be the winner overall.
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