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join:2004-04-06
Richmond, VA | Content pages It drove me nuts back in the 90s when ISPs started doing this crap, and it still does. I dont want DOT controlling what advertizements are on billboards, just take care of the road. Just give me internet and leave it alone. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Content pages Give them time... I think there's a program to start taxing mileage in addition to fuel consumption.
Both the insurance and government want your money.
I suspect a lot of companies want to resell your driving habits as well. | |
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| Re: Content pages said by en102  :Give them time... I think there's a program to start taxing mileage in addition to fuel consumption. I have the impression that Trucks ALREADY get charged a Mileage surcharge. As to charging cars based on how far they are driven, I have a memory of reading that some state wants to install black-boxes in cars to measure this so it can be taxed. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
 ·RoadRunner Cable
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| Re: Content pages I would suspect California (ugh) if any.
Of course, this will just push for privacy lawsuits.
On the good side - traffic may actually decrease in Calfornia, as many illegal/uninsured/ vehicles may now be off the road.
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join:2007-09-18
Dallas, TX | Re: Content pages It wasn't California. It was in the north east somewhere. I want to say New Jersey but I don't know for sure if that was it... | |
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| Re: Content pages said by bcoleman71 :It wasn't California. It was in the north east somewhere. I want to say New Jersey but I don't know for sure if that was it... I was thinking Oregon or Washington. | |
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Nightshade
sic semper tyrannis
Premium
join:2002-05-26
Salem, OR | Re: Content pages Kinda like the sales tax. | |
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join:2002-12-04
USA | Don't give them any ideas! There are already people 'up high' wanting to implement a tax that will basically do just this.... | |
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Simba7
join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT
·Bresnan Online
1 edit | They should take care of their network first. I think they should make their network top priority. Without it, it's just a matter of time before the customers get pissed off from their bottlenecks and switch to another company.
Fix the foundation of the house BEFORE you fix anything else. If you flat out ignore it, it'll come tumbling down.. Eventually.. and so will your customer base.
You'd think they would've figured this out after how many YEARS of building networks?
"Sure.. We can have a ton of people on a T1 link." What kind of crack are you smoking?
Of course, the small to medium-sized ISP's (erm.. Bresnan) are actually *LISTENING* to their customers and fixing the problems before they get out of hand. As for the huge ISP's, their mindset is "Eh.. It's just 1 (or more) customer(s). We'll get more."
The huge ISP's seem to not really care about their customers. It's the smaller ones that do.
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
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| Re: They should take care of their network first. "The huge ISP's seem to not really care about their customers. It's the smaller ones that do."
You would not believe the stuff we do to go out of our way to help customers. We have sent a tech out at 9pm to fix a cusomter's DSL because their kid's term paper is due the next day. That's the kind of service you get out of a small ISP.
You still hear the same thing again and again. One day the customer tells us how great we are for fixing a problem that was not the ISP's fault. The next day they call in and day "Well Cable threw an offer that I couldn't refuse, so I have to cancel." Then you find out they left because of a free $20 mp3 player or they saved $4 a month.
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Its called MONEY.
ISP's can make a fixed amount off of your connection as a 'dumb pipe'.
They can make a lot of money by selling 'preferred' advertising space (ie. homepage/portal), reselling traffic data, stats. | |
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Premium
join:2005-06-24
Willseyville, NY
| Re: They should take care of their network first. Well, but the worst part is there are real value ads that I've seen ISPs do:
The online backup service
The security software
The tech support and onsite repair
Even the Triple Play bundles with Dish or Cable or whatever
But travel agencies? These aren't even value ads, they're like throwing a dart at a board of products/services and taking on random ones. They don't enhance the internet experiance, they don't provide a service that naturally goes with internet, so most people don't see any reason they should "one stop shop" for their internet and *travel*?? needs.
It's like some of the off the wall offers I get with my credit card program, but even there there's a link of buying stuff. What is the link between ISP and Travel Agent? Real Estate? "Well, comcast is fast internet, so they'll be good at selling my house." Really?
The big problem with a lot of the advertising sales is there's no benefit to the consumer buying the internet access, and it's actually a negative for many. ISPs would do better if they worked on services and value ads that acutally also benefited the customer.
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | The 1st ISP to just be a dumb pipe Will actually make the most money. | |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
00000 | Re: The 1st ISP to just be a dumb pipe No because consumers will not pay what it costs for an ISP to just offer dumb pipes. | |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: The 1st ISP to just be a dumb pipe said by battleop :No because consumers will not pay what it costs for an ISP to just offer dumb pipes. costs will actually be the same or less. How many millions of $ not to mention other resources, manpower etc are watsed on stupid projects like "3-d browsers" that have nothing to do with being an ISP. Take all that money and use it to upgrade to a modern infrastructure. | |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
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| Re: The 1st ISP to just be a dumb pipe Those millions are used to attract consumers much in the same way a shiny object attracts a raccoon. Consumer's don't need or use this stuff but for some reason they feel they are getting more for their money when they get a bunch of goodies with their internet service. | |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: The 1st ISP to just be a dumb pipe said by battleop :Those millions are used to attract consumers much in the same way a shiny object attracts a raccoon. Consumer's don't need or use this stuff but for some reason they feel they are getting more for their money when they get a bunch of goodies with their internet service. I bet if I polled 1000 peole you get maybe 2 or 3 that thinks a 3-d browser is make or break issue with them when it comes to choosing an ISP. | |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
00000 | Re: The 1st ISP to just be a dumb pipe Uh hum ok that, has nothing to do with what I said but.. oh never mind it would be a waste of time. | |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: The 1st ISP to just be a dumb pipe said by battleop :Uh hum ok that, has nothing to do with what I said but.. oh never mind it would be a waste of time. yes it does.
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Those millions are used to attract consumers much in the same way a shiny object attracts a raccoon. Consumer's don't need or use this stuff but for some reason they feel they are getting more for their money when they get a bunch of goodies with their internet service.
So you just said that these pet projects are what attracts customers. they don't. ISPs could spend that money on being a dumb pipe. | |
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58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
·AT&T Midwest
| Precisely. And this has been going on forever. How many toasters did people really need back when banks offered them for opening accounts?
Until people reject the Wal*Mart "value" myth and realize that cheaper is not always better, nothing changes. We will continue to get what we pay for, which is crap. | |
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join:2002-12-04
USA | Selling to the lowest common denominator? | |
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anony501
@comcast.net
| said by BF69 :Will actually make the most money. I think there have been a number that tried. The dumb pipe business is actually pretty dumb. Business history shows us that one trick ponies don't survive. | |
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maartena
Stacked.
Premium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA | All I want.... Is a bloody connection with an IP address.
I'll provide the rest (email, news, DNS, my home page) myself, thank you very much.
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| DarkLogix
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
·Comcast Workplace
·Comcast
2 edits | Re: All I want.... I hear ya
I have never used the ISP provided e-mail (who needs an e-mail that you could lose if you change)
News wtf would I want that from an ISP?
DNSya I don't want to use the crappy DNS they have I have for the past 3+ years had an in home DNS server that looks to the roots to get dns
home page why?if I want a webpage I'll write the HTML myself and I will want full control over the webserver (which I do have over my home server)
I just want a big dumb internet pipe give me an IP I'll even sortout the IPv6 address
they need to stop wasting time and money on projects and services that shouldn't be there
and with OPEN dsn people that don't have a server at home can still get good dns
I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me an internet pipe or leave | |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| Re: All I want.... I think(I could be wrong) that ISPs are catering to the non-savy peoples of the world.
The AOL-esk people that expect to find *stuff* on their home page(s).
You and I can deal with a generic connection and getting/making whatever it is that we want from where ever it may reside on the interwebs.
For Moms, turning it on and having ??? for a *portal* to the things she may be interested in is just easier.
I prefer a non-ISP home page.
Opera has DSLReports as a home page. 
IE/SlimBrowser has Yahoo. Yahoo is my main email - it is not tied to Comcast or my NetZero dialup(or my cell) internet accounts.
Yahoo is also Moms-friendly.
If Moms wishes to use one of my laptops, she can find nearly anything with relative ease via Yahoo.
Comcast rarely gets used, even by me!
I treat Comcast pretty much as a pipe and that's it!
Even Fancast has my login from Yahoo email, not Comcast!
*NOTE* Fancast is a Comcast service.
Different strokes, ya know?
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join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
·Comcast Workplace
·Comcast
1 edit | Re: All I want.... I set the home page no the computer I gave to my mom to google
small page fast to load so she doesn't have to wait on IE or opera to open (installed opera but she keeps going to IE)
maybe they could give a discount to those that don't want their crap | |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| Re: All I want.... said by DarkLogix :maybe they could give a discount to those that don't want their crap That would work for me!
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| Use it or not... Since it is not affecting the/my price, and no one has a gun to our head(s), ignore the BS and go about your day!
I have no need for some travel search engine and if I did I would probably look at Travelocity or one of the others anyways.
Nothing to see here.
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Geeks Of The World, Unite
join:2000-09-04
Saint Louis, MO
| Re: Use it or not... said by dadkins :Since it is not affecting the/my price, and no one has a gun to our head(s), ignore the BS and go about your day! It may not be affecting your monthly payments, but it is certainly affecting the company's bottom line. In order to branch out into travel, Comcast needs to hire additional web developers, support staff, and (if they're smart) someone who actually knows something about the travel industry. They're also going to have to pay to host and advertise the new service.
All of these things cost money, and Comcast can get it from either liquid assets (i.e. subscriber profits) or leveraging (i.e. getting a loan). But regardless of where they get it from, every dollar that Comcast spends towards projects like this is one dollar less that they can spend towards upgrading their networks. While either investment may pay off eventually, becoming a travel agency is a much riskier proposition. In order to do so, Comcast is going to have to break into an established industry and take market share away from other, more experienced players. They're also going to need to form a lot of new business relationships with airlines and hotel chains.
On the other hand, new infrastructure will always pay for itself eventually—Comcast can use it to add more subscribers or offer higher-speed service tiers. They could also use it to branch out into IP video-on-demand or some other service that a cable company might be good at providing. While you won't notice any difference in service now, risky ventures like this may affect Comcast's ability to provide competitive (or, at least, higher quality) service in the future. If this happens and Comcast subscribers begin deserting the company in droves, Comcast could be in for some real financial trouble.
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spk037
join:2006-09-02
Orlando, FL | Right The past several years have seen ISPs continually expand their operations away from their core competency: running networks.
i have a hard time believing they are even "competent" at that. | |
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FastiBook
join:2003-01-08
Newtown, PA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| So... So... Comast's true traffic shaping plans re revealed. Cut the crap, comcrap. Focus on not sucking on doing the internet & tv thing first, then after you're good at that, then try to do something stupid.
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IPingUPing
N4BFR
Premium
join:2002-08-30
Smyrna, GA
clubs: | Re: So... I am surprised at this attitude a little. You make it sound like the ISP is pulling engineers out of their plant work and making them write HTML code. No reason the two can't exist in parallel. | |
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koitsu
Premium
join:2002-07-16
Mountain View, CA
| How dare you! What ISPs really need to offer is more portals! More portals dammit! I'm telling you, it's the future! PORTALS!!!!
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