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| Doesn't Surprise Me ATT is bad for whatever reason at handling large groups of people. Every OSU football game I go to I get 100% signal strength yet cannot access data EVER. I wonder if they shut data off at those towers during games to leave bandwidth open for voice/text. When I do large conventions in Vegas, same problem. | |
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Billings, MT | Re: Doesn't Surprise Me Sounds like you're paying for data service, but not getting it.
I'd chew some AT&T ass on that one. If I pay for services, I'd better damn well get them. | |
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1 edit | That's your opinion. However I live in D.C. and even when 4 million flooded the City for the inauguration there were no interruptions in service. AT&T worked fine.
All of the carriers are good in some areas and bad in others. You cannot expect the carriers which are struggling financially to spend lots of money on temporary events.
So get over it and realize that cell phones are a "nicety" but not an "necessity".
Have you ever tried using your Sprint or Verizon phone in a third world country? Oh wait, you usually can't because most of the world uses UTMS not CDMA. | |
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| Re: Doesn't Surprise Me I posted no "opinion" in my post. Fact is, at OSU football games att data doesn't work. At all. I am not complaining or even suggesting that I have a problem with it....nor did I state anything about it being a "necessity". I was merely providing an observation.
What exactly does my experience at football games have to do with a 3rd world country? | |
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| Re: Doesn't Surprise Me actually you did say:
ATT is bad for whatever reason at handling large groups of people.
That is an opinion just like I when I say that all of the carriers are bad in some areas and good in others.
AT&T should not be singled out here. The technology of cell phones and the lack of funding to correctly deploy it to get around its limitations are the real culprits. | |
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| said by dcdeadbeat  :That's your opinion. However I live in D.C. and even when 4 million flooded the City for the inauguration there were no interruptions in service. AT&T worked fine. All of the carriers are good in some areas and bad in others. You cannot expect the carriers which are struggling financially to spend lots of money on temporary events. So get over it and realize that cell phones are a "nicety" but not an "necessity". Have you ever tried using your Sprint or Verizon phone in a third world country? Oh wait, you usually can't because most of the world uses UTMS not CDMA. What planet do you live on? AT&T has billions to spend. Are you even in the right thread?
Cell phones are more reliable than landlines in most 3rd world countries.
AT&T is not CDMA
We are talking data here, some of us who are paying $39.99 a month for so we damn well better have a working service.
Austin specifically, has had data issues for as long as I lived here (2.5 years) but AT&T has better coverage than Verizon for me, especially in the Hill Country. | |
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3 edits | Re: Doesn't Surprise Me said by MrMaster :What planet do you live on? Is there another one to live on?
said by MrMaster : AT&T has billions to spend. Are you even in the right thread? AT&T does not have billions to spend on network upgrades. Please research their financial records before making such as statement. I did.
And yes I am in the right thread.
said by MrMaster :Cell phones are more reliable than landlines in most 3rd world countries. That's not entirely accurate since the cellphones actually work by interfacing with the PSTN. If the PSTN is unreliable in third world countries, then the cell phones are also going to be unreliable. Unless you are suggesting that AT&T runs private networks to all third world countries and then backhauls the traffic back to the US so it can send it back to its origination. That would be horribly inefficient and simply not the way it is done.
said by MrMaster :AT&T is not CDMA That is correct. I never said AT&T is CDMA. They use UTMS for voice and HSPA for data. When neither is available, it falls back to GSM or roams on another GSM carrier.
Sprint and Verizon user CDMA for voice and EVDO for data. And a very small number of their phones will actually have a secondary radio inside them that can access GSM and UTMS networks.
said by MrMaster :We are talking data here, some of us who are paying $39.99 a month for so we damn well better have a working service. Actually we are talking about both, depending upon the network since AT&T can actually send Voice and DATA GSM/UTMS/HSPA unlike it's competitors which cannot do simultaneous voice and data over their networks. Sprint and Verizon use CDMA for voice and 1xRTT/EVDO for data. But they cannot send both voice and data at the same time due to the technology of CDMA.
said by MrMaster :Austin specifically, has had data issues for as long as I lived here (2.5 years) but AT&T has better coverage than Verizon for me, especially in the Hill Country. I have actually found my Verizon card to work better in Austin than my AT&T phone or card. However, Sprint beats them both in that particular area since they seem to roam better with some of the rural and private carriers (such as the oil companies).
I am not advocating any single carrier. Just do your research and find the one that works the best in your area most of the time.
And let's all stop believing that cell phones are perfect. All wireless technologies have weaknesses. That's why backbone connections are (can we all say it together) WIRED. | |
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| Re: Doesn't Surprise Me said by rec9140 : said by dcdeadbeat :
Oh wait, you usually can't because most of the world uses UTMS not CDMA.
Can't use CDMA phones, but guess what.... UMTS is W-CDMA.  UTMS is W-CDMA. But CDMA by itself usually references CDMA2000.
Current wireless technologies:
W-CDMA: GSM/UTMS/HSPDA/HSPA/LTE (all same family)
CDMA2000: 1xRTT/CDMA/EVDO/UMB (all same family)
WiMax (only currently used by Clear)
1. CDMA2000 is not compatible with UTMS networks.
2. Verizon will be using LTE instead of UMB in the future to become compatible with its parent company Vodaphone which uses UTMS based systems (as does most rest of the world)
3. Sprint was using GSM in some cities but switched to CDMA and iDen (Nextel). Currently planning on using a combo of CDMA200, WiMax, and LTE in the future. | |
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| said by dcdeadbeat :So get over it and realize that cell phones are a "nicety" but not an "necessity". Have you ever tried using your Sprint or Verizon phone in a third world country? Oh wait, you usually can't because most of the world uses UTMS not CDMA. I agree that cell phones are not always going to work, but they should be able to at least make phone calls. These companies are big enough to have temporary measures in place when large events occur. I have been to many games and large events with my SPRINT phone and it has been fine, even data (had to really express that I use SPRINT since you really seem to be stuck on ATT).
My cell phone worked fine in all kinds of countries from South America to Europe. Roaming however on many occasions.
As far as third world countries, all carriers are the same and it depends on the phone. My connected fine while others did not. ATT users had trouble and had to buy or rent a phone while mine worked fine (for about $1.00 a minute).
So, to be childish.... oh wait, lets compare how many "Can you hear me now" tests we each have done, you with ATT and me with Sprint and list all the countries we have done them in??? | |
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1 edit | Re: Doesn't Surprise Me said by keyboard5684 :So, to be childish.... oh wait, lets compare how many "Can you hear me now" tests we each have done, you with ATT and me with Sprint and list all the countries we have done them in???
I have only been to 37 countries. So my list would not be exhaustive. However when I go I don't ever take my Sprint or Verizon wireless cards or phones. I only take my AT&T ones since it is likely that I will be able to find a UTMS carrier in one of them that AT&T will roam on.
And if I can't find a roaming partner, I will just remove my SIM card and buy one for a local carrier.
You can't do that with CDMA2000 carriers since the technology doesn't allow for SIM cards. | |
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1 edit | Re: Doesn't Surprise Me Does ATT not lock there phones? Putting another carrier SIM card in does not sound like it would work, but maybe. I will admit I carried an old T-Mobile phone so I could use, if need be, another carrier SIM but it was never needed. The price came out to be the same and your phone number was different, so inbound calls were pointless.
I guess it has never been a problem with me. Even in places where ONLY GSM cellular calls can be made, I have no trouble... based on the phone model.
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| Re: Doesn't Surprise Me said by keyboard5684 :Does ATT not lock there phones? Putting another carrier SIM card in does not sound like it would work, but maybe. I will admit I carried an old T-Mobile phone so I could use, if need be, another carrier SIM but it was never needed. The price came out to be the same and your phone number was different, so inbound calls were pointless. I guess it has never been a problem with me. Even in places where ONLY GSM cellular calls can be made, I have no trouble... based on the phone model. And I take it you are talking about data? Or Both? I am talking about making a phone call. AT&T does lock its phone. But I have never had a problem getting their support to send me the unlock code for phones and data cards.
And on UTMS it does not matter whether it is voice or data as both travel on the same system. UMTS can do simultaneous voice and data. | |
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| Re: Doesn't Surprise Me said by dcdeadbeat :said by keyboard5684 :Does ATT not lock there phones? Putting another carrier SIM card in does not sound like it would work, but maybe. I will admit I carried an old T-Mobile phone so I could use, if need be, another carrier SIM but it was never needed. The price came out to be the same and your phone number was different, so inbound calls were pointless. I guess it has never been a problem with me. Even in places where ONLY GSM cellular calls can be made, I have no trouble... based on the phone model. And I take it you are talking about data? Or Both? I am talking about making a phone call. AT&T does lock its phone. But I have never had a problem getting their support to send me the unlock code for phones and data cards. And on UTMS it does not matter whether it is voice or data as both travel on the same system. UMTS can do simultaneous voice and data. But AT&T's network is not mostly UMTS and neither is most of the world. Most of the World is still on GSM. And CDMA EVDO Rev. A and B have the potential to do voice and data at the same time and SPRINT"S NEW PALM PRE CDMA PHONE will do simultaneous voice and data with a new thing called SV-DV | |
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4 edits | said by dcdeadbeat :said by keyboard5684 :So, to be childish.... oh wait, lets compare how many "Can you hear me now" tests we each have done, you with ATT and me with Sprint and list all the countries we have done them in??? I have only been to 37 countries. So my list would not be exhaustive. However when I go I don't ever take my Sprint or Verizon wireless cards or phones. I only take my AT&T ones since it is likely that I will be able to find a UTMS carrier in one of them that AT&T will roam on. And if I can't find a roaming partner, I will just remove my SIM card and buy one for a local carrier. You can't do that with CDMA2000 carriers since the technology doesn't allow for SIM cards. Utter nonsense - it's the phone, not the "CDMA2000 carrier" or the "technology". 
FYI both Sprint and Verizon offered hybrid phones years ago (made by Motorola, Samsung etc.) already and now you can even get PDA phones like that (eg Storm) with all the bells and whistles including 3G/HSDPA/EVDO, touchscreen up to VGA etc.
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| Re: Doesn't Surprise Me Read the CDMA2000 specs. They do not allow for sim cards. Therefore if your current carrier does not have a roaming agreement with an international carrier (and the carrier is using CDMA2000 and not UMTS) then you are out of luck.
Starting with GSM and kept in the specs for each generation, sim cards have allowed phones to be used with different carriers. And in some countries it is required. So if you purchase a phone from one carrier and it does not work, you can then just purchase a sim card from another carrier, insert it and start chatting away.
I will agree that some phones have better radios than other phones. But CDMA2000 is far less efficient than UTMS in terms of its ability to handle many connections.
But both technologies are limited entirely by which frequencies each carrier uses and the geographic layout.
And in this case, does anyone know if AT&T has switched Austin to 850 instead of the 1900 frequency? The 850 frequency has better penetration but AT&T has not switched all of its network to using this frequency. | |
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| Re: Doesn't Surprise Me More likely that AT&T didn't deploy 'enough' spectrum on 3G.
Many areas (Los Angeles was one) that had issues with capacity when AT&T launched a single 1900MHz carrier channel on UMTS even if I had good signal and was standing next to an AT&T cell site (yes, I know where they are).
I suspect that is the issue in Austin as well. Others have posted about this issue on Howard Forums AT&T 3G .
Part of the 'issue' with UMTS is that both voice and data run over the same spectrum. I.E. a single 5MHz carrier channel has to provide both voice and data for 3G users. CDMA2000 runs voice on 1x and data on either EVDO or 1x. | |
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| said by dcdeadbeat : You cannot expect the carriers which are struggling financially to spend lots of money on temporary events. So get over it and realize that cell phones are a "nicety" but not an "necessity". Have you ever tried using your Sprint or Verizon phone in a third world country? Oh wait, you usually can't because most of the world uses UTMS not CDMA. AT&T should not be singled out here. The technology of cell phones and the lack of funding to correctly deploy it to get around its limitations are the real culprits. Jesus, what a LOAD OF BS.
AT&T has BILLIONS to spend - it's just a greedy MF corp that does NOT want to spend anything beyond necessary, rather take it out as a profit.
Secondly they sell their services as RELIABLE and for MONEY - nobody should take it as a "nicety", that'd be downright idiotic when you PAY for it.
Lastly you can use your Crackberry Storm with SIM cards because it's a hybrid GSM/CDMA phone, moreover if you ask for it you can get at least a SIM card for traveling.
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| Re: Doesn't Surprise Me said by kamm :said by dcdeadbeat : You cannot expect the carriers which are struggling financially to spend lots of money on temporary events. So get over it and realize that cell phones are a "nicety" but not an "necessity". Have you ever tried using your Sprint or Verizon phone in a third world country? Oh wait, you usually can't because most of the world uses UTMS not CDMA. AT&T should not be singled out here. The technology of cell phones and the lack of funding to correctly deploy it to get around its limitations are the real culprits. Jesus, what a LOAD OF BS. AT&T has BILLIONS to spend - it's just a greedy MF corp that does NOT want to spend anything beyond necessary, rather take it out as a profit.Secondly they sell their services as RELIABLE and for MONEY - nobody should take it as a "nicety", that'd be downright idiotic when you PAY for it. Lastly you can use your Crackberry Storm with SIM cards because it's a hybrid GSM/CDMA phone, moreover if you ask for it you can get at least a SIM card for traveling. You should read your Terms of Service and Service Level Agreement. Also recommend you read AT&Ts financial report because they don't have billions for network upgrades for their wireless division.
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| Re: Doesn't Surprise Me 1. Yes but you leave out the fact that many people are ditching landlines not for just cellular but a combination of cellular and VOIP/Digital Voice/Skype, etc.
I myself tried using cell phone only and found I missed the sound quality that a landline (or VOIP) could provide. So I use my cell only when I am away from my home or business.
2. Yes they sell some hybrid phones. But most of their phones are CDMA only.
3. So what about the people that live and work in D.C.? I know we are not a state, but we still use our cell phones.
In the actual Mall there was only 1.8 million. But that only accounted for a fraction of the people in the District at that time. And guess what? No interruptions with any of the carriers I use (Sprint, Verizon, and AT&T). | |
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| Re: Doesn't Surprise Me You can if it is unlocked. Chances are that if you email or call your carrier's support they will give you the unlock code. Just make sure to tell them that you are traveling internationally and do not want to use roaming but want to use a local carrier.
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well i dont expect to use my cell phone in another country, especially a third world one. i spend 95% of my time in the U.S. so if it works here then its good with me. also, who wants to pay roaming rates for text, voice and data? not me thanks. and for those business travelers verzion has GSM capable blackberries.
GSM isn't the answer to the worlds cell problems. its actually a standard that was built off of CDMA. i think CDMA is much better here because it's never failed me. GSM was a total failure on AT&T and T-Mobile. both networks were slow, had many errors, and were not at all reliable. Sprint and Verizon have the most coverage, fastest data speeds and best reliability.
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| Re: Doesn't Surprise Me said by jjeffeory :Oh yes... Because at$t is struggling financially... people should just "get over it". Yes give them a stimulus bailout package. The telcos deserve it more than the auto industry. I use my cell phone all day long and haven't even turned my car on in weeks. | |
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| said by dcdeadbeat :That's your opinion. However I live in D.C. and even when 4 million flooded the City for the inauguration there were no interruptions in service. AT&T worked fine. Agreed 100%. AT&T actually improved overall signal strength and spread 3G coverage all over Maryland as well.
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Everyone oversells access in the telecom industry.
Exactly my point, that's why I am never supprised by thease articles about telco's facing bandwidth woes. | |
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I know I've let people borrow my Sprint phone several times during large population events. Their AT&T phone wouldn't dial out at all. Mine was a little delayed in connecting than normal by a few seconds but it worked just fine every time.
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2 edits | Re: See this all the time It is for reasons like this that in an emergency for wireless communications the Hamradio operator with a 2 meter Handy Talky can be depended on to get a message through. No there is no twittering on a iPhone but at least the traffic gets through. Back in the mobile phone days, this is before cell phones, Bell Telephone built their systems with what one friend of mine who used to service this network called obscene amounts of backup. The Bell system built it to be as close to the reliability of their POTS as possible with wireless communication as it was done in those days. Now with Cell phones, cut throat competition, and little in the way of Government standards of performance a cell system only needs to work when things are mostly normal for everything else the Telcos have found it cheaper to make up excuses. 
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1 edit | Re: See this all the time Exactly. I'm originated from Europe and it's a fairly common practice to deploy mobile relay stations for bigger festivals (island Festival f.e.) which works perfectly fine.
GSM scales VERY WELL, in fact - it's just AT&T being a greedy PoS cheap corp, that's all.
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| Re: KC Auto Show last weekend. I have cards from AT&T, Sprint, And Verizon. Why? Because they are all bad in some areas but good in others.
Does no one realize that we are in a recession and the cell phone companies are not going to spend money at this time?
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| Re: KC Auto Show last weekend. Actually that is a very good point. Fewer subscribers means less chance of congestion for a provider. However, it also means that as the economy worsens, the provider with the fewest subscribers will likely sell out to a competitor or neglect repairs for a declining network.
Nextel also has the advantage that it is using a frequency that penetrates everything. Until Sprint pulls the plug, splits Nextel off, or whatever, Nextel users will enjoy less crowded space on their frequencies as more people jump ship to Verizon, AT&T, or even Sprint's Boost Mobile. | |
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Overselling capacity isn't just telecom... the airlines do it constantly... and I'm sure that with more coffee I could think of a dozen more examples. For that matter, POTS lines are oversold too. It doesn't matter 99.9% of the time...
I guess overselling doesn't bother me as long as they plan for big events. You CAN bring in more lines and erect a temporary tower (I heard they did this at the political conventions this past fall). The scary part is natural disasters. When tornadoes hit here, you can't get calls out. With phone lines down, you REALLY need your cell to work! | |
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1 edit | what ever happened to listening to the music Why are these people on the phone? Last time I went to SXSW I didn't care whether or not my phone worked since I was too busy enjoying the music.
Oh wait, let me twitter this experience about listening to music.
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| Re: what ever happened to listening to the music said by dcdeadbeat :Why are these people on the phone? Last time I went to SXSW I didn't care whether or not my phone worked since I was too busy enjoying the music. Oh wait, let me twitter this experience about listening to music. Go to SXSW...enjoy the music and beer...live life...don't worry about your cell phone. They are talking about SXSWi. The interactive portion of the festival. | |
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HardwareGeek
join:2003-11-15
Brooklyn, NY
| This happens at every convention Give me a break this wasn't caused by people having iPhones this was caused by so many people at the event.
During CES the same thing happens, during E3 the same thing happens, during CTIA the same thing happens.
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| dcdeadbeat
join:2008-10-07
Washington, DC
·Covad Communications
| Re: This happens at every convention Agreed and it does not matter which carrier you use. If you exceed the capacity of the available cell towers, then you will have problems.
The providers do not have equal frequencies in every part of the country. Look at the frequency holdings and you will see that there mostly overlap. But in some areas, you only get coverage if your provider has a roaming agreement with the local provider. | |
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techbug518
@taconic.net | Re: This happens at every convention ...yes but some carriers actually have more reliable networks then others. some carriers make that capacity higher on their networks(*verizon*) unlike others (*att aka the deathstar*). | |
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jccom145
@comcast.net
| Re: This happens at every convention AT&T had pre-existing networks (TDMA) that they had to let run its course before they could reclaim the bandwidth. They are in the process of moving their 3G from 1900 to 850. This will solve many of the problems people have.
I don't know why people think Verizon is any better than AT&T. They are just as big and bad Just because they have better commercials people seem to think their network is better. I just left Verizon because of horrible service here in Texas.
I can't wait until Comcast rolls out their own wireless (they own part of Clear so it will be WiMax based). Their cable is extremely reliable and their wireless will beat both Verizon and AT&T hands down. | |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
| AT&T's 3g is TRULY A JOKE ever since... ...hordes of iTards flooded the network - its downright pathetic sub-1Mb speeds are a laughingstock compared to any half-decent European city's regular HSDPA/HSUPA network speeds.
The funniest part? They suppose to treat iPhones with higher priority (or so was the BS back when I left them.):D
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| w4ncr
join:2000-10-27 | Re: AT&T's 3g is TRULY A JOKE ever since... Another reason for AT&T slogan is your world delivered just a little slower. | |
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ryang
Premium
join:2001-04-01
Chicago, IL
| Falling on deaf ears I think the complaints would have been respectable if the large crowd was trying to reach loved ones in an emergency or natural disaster, not update their pathetic blog every 2 minutes saying "OMG music111!!!" or "on porta-pottie, it smells, can't wait to go listen to more music OMG!@!@!"
What a waste of bandwidth. | |
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techbug518
@taconic.net | Re: Falling on deaf ears well we pay for this bandwidth and we have freedom to use it in whatever way we want so long as it doesnt violate the TOS. | |
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Hookem99
Deep In The Heart
join:2007-07-18
Pflugerville, TX | Responds to complaints by beefing up Austin 3G Networks And I STILL have no 3G service! Service in Austin has always sucked, now it just sucks more! | |
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momus_98
join:2002-09-10
Pflugerville, TX
|  Cost vs. benefit?
But how much should any carrier invest in an event (SXSW, for example) that lasts roughly 10 days (including the film and music fests)?
Granted, Austin has its share of events, but we pale in comparison to Chicago, LA, New York, Houston, D/FW in terms of general daily usage.
Are the outages occasional? Do they last more than an hour? Is it city-wide? Is it a mild inconvenience or is it hindering the "next big artist" from getting a record deal?
I have T-Mobile and YMMV, but I've not noticed any difference (other than the fact that I'm avoiding the whole SXSW affair altogether).
Is this a real issue?
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AT&T Faces SXSW Bandwidth Woes
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