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 |  kamm join:2001-02-14 Brooklyn, NY | Re: HBA card? said by fifty nine:So essentially what they've done is made an iSCSI HBA card for general network use. Well, you would likely use CAT5 cabling in both cases, that's the only thing that pops into my mind right now as similarity.  Let me guess: you have yet to see iSCSI in life, right?  FYI: this has nothing to do with iSCSI.
With iSCSI you can utilize SCSI command set via TCP/IP eg get block-level access via Eth etc - this network card has nothing to do neither with block-level storage access nor SCSI command set.  -- [BQUOTE=[user=bicker]]Waaaa waaaa waaaa. You just want what you want and don't care to factor in what is right or true. Your perspectives are un-American, and deserve far more ridicule than I'm prepared to pile on them. [/BQUOTE] | |
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I didn't mean it was exactly like an HBA but the concept was similar - offload I/O processing to the NIC so that the main CPU isn't tied up.
Most people I know use regular GigE NICs however. The one iSCSI array we have (Dell Equalogic) is connected to the hosts with GigE NICs. | |
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 |  |  |  kamm join:2001-02-14 Brooklyn, NY 2 edits | Re: HBA card? said by fifty nine:said by kamm:said by fifty nine:So essentially what they've done is made an iSCSI HBA card for general network use. Well, you would likely use CAT5 cabling in both cases, that's the only thing that pops into my mind right now as similarity.  Let me guess: you have yet to see iSCSI in life, right?  FYI: this has nothing to do with iSCSI. With iSCSI you can utilize SCSI command set via TCP/IP eg get block-level access via Eth etc - this network card has nothing to do neither with block-level storage access nor SCSI command set. Not really. I've actually set up pretty large iSCSI and Fiber channel arrays and SANs, one of them with hundreds of hosts and replication between two datacenters. I didn't mean it was exactly like an HBA but the concept was similar - offload I/O processing to the NIC so that the main CPU isn't tied up. Most people I know use regular GigE NICs however. The one iSCSI array we have (Dell Equalogic) is connected to the hosts with GigE NICs. Well, offloading is nothing specific to iSCSI either if you think about it - in fact it was available for eth cards well before iSCSI IIRC.
As a side note I hate iSCSI - it was a nice idea originally to bring down the price of FC deployment cost but Microsoft pretty much SABOTAGED it by buying up WinTarget then subsequently killing off iSCSI target support from ANYTHING expect Unified Data Storage Server 2003 - for which aone they should've been sued out of existence, let alone suing them for lying about WSS R2 shipping with target...
iSCSI nowadays is a complete PoS solution for any Windows-based storage: free target sw are all junk, anything useful (ie StarWind) starts around $800 and up - ahh and Xen doesn't even work with it... 
I don't know the story on unix - is it any better?
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We've migrated nearly everything that was on iSCSI to 4GBps fiber channel now. More expensive but also more mature and robust. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  kamm join:2001-02-14 Brooklyn, NY | Re: HBA card? said by fifty nine:We use it on RedHat and VMWare ESXi. Still junk and not supported by a lot of things. Some hosts had trouble recognizing the array and it took a lot of fenangling to get it to work. We've migrated nearly everything that was on iSCSI to 4GBps fiber channel now. More expensive but also more mature and robust. Yeah, I know - my entire centralized storage backend runs on FC4 using shared file system. 
The only problem was that I had to build out another, more expensive (FC) network - cost is one thing but managing another infrastructure is a bigger issue. -- [BQUOTE=[user=bicker]]Waaaa waaaa waaaa. You just want what you want and don't care to factor in what is right or true. Your perspectives are un-American, and deserve far more ridicule than I'm prepared to pile on them. [/BQUOTE] | |
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1 edit | Wow, they are at it again! Obviously some people are falling for it because these guys are still in business!
Yeah, lets see any network card do anything about nightly node congestion and 30-hop routing nightmares.
To me these cards fall into the same category as some of that ridiculously expensive audiophile gear (power cords, speaker cable). Lots of money and promises, but very little to no real-world benefit.
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 |  Doctor FourMy other vehicle is a TARDISPremium join:2000-09-05 Dallas, TX | Re: Wow, they are at it again! said by TheMG:To me these cards fall into the same category as some of that ridiculously expensive audiophile gear (power cords, speaker cable). Lots of money and promises, but very little to no real-world benefit. I'd put the Optimus Maximus keyboard in that same category: »www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/ -- "The trouble with computers, of course, is that they are very sophisticated idiots." - Doctor Who (from Robot)
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Did I mention that these little buttons offer pretty small pics at very low rez? So it's not only waiters won't see shit but "manufacturing" (whatever it stands for) or grandma will burn a lot of money on the worst possible solution (provided grandma has the eyes of an eagle, LOL) of a simple problem. 
Optimus is a typical expensive gimmick - a machine with a touchscreen display offers the same and a LOT MORE for less.
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1 edit | Re: Wow, they are at it again! said by kamm:said by r81984:The Optimus Maximus has real uses. Just think for restaraunt cash registers, as the menu changes the keyboard can change. In manufacuring, the same thing. You change the keyboard pictures based on what is on the screen. Just think of setting up a computer for grandma and setting the icons on the keys to help her out. It has valid professional and home uses. Also, it is really cool to show off if you have one. Having dynamic keys on a keyboard is a very useful idea. Suuure: restaurants will flock to buy just a KEYBOARD for twice the price their current touchscreen-based - which offers a LOT MORE than Optimus ever will - entire machine costs...  Did I mention that these little buttons offer pretty small pics at very low rez?  So it's not only waiters won't see shit but "manufacturing" (whatever it stands for) or grandma will burn a lot of money on the worst possible solution (provided grandma has the eyes of an eagle, LOL) of a simple problem.  Optimus is a typical expensive gimmick - a machine with a touchscreen display offers the same and a LOT MORE for less. I imagine you work at Mcdonalds with how you think. Anyways, expensive now, but it will get cheaper. Just because you are a negative person does not mean something has no good use. People like you are retarded. -- For those of you playing a drinking game.... MY FRIENDS! | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  kamm join:2001-02-14 Brooklyn, NY | Re: Wow, they are at it again! said by r81984:said by kamm:said by r81984:The Optimus Maximus has real uses. Just think for restaraunt cash registers, as the menu changes the keyboard can change. In manufacuring, the same thing. You change the keyboard pictures based on what is on the screen. Just think of setting up a computer for grandma and setting the icons on the keys to help her out. It has valid professional and home uses. Also, it is really cool to show off if you have one. Having dynamic keys on a keyboard is a very useful idea. Suuure: restaurants will flock to buy just a KEYBOARD for twice the price their current touchscreen-based - which offers a LOT MORE than Optimus ever will - entire machine costs...  Did I mention that these little buttons offer pretty small pics at very low rez?  So it's not only waiters won't see shit but "manufacturing" (whatever it stands for) or grandma will burn a lot of money on the worst possible solution (provided grandma has the eyes of an eagle, LOL) of a simple problem.  Optimus is a typical expensive gimmick - a machine with a touchscreen display offers the same and a LOT MORE for less. I imagine you work at Mcdonalds with how you think. Anyways, expensive now, but it will get cheaper. Just because you are a negative person does not mean something has no good use. People like you are retarded. Why am I not surprised that all you were able up come up with against facts are irrelevant adhom attacks?  Archetype of the clueless loser reaction - after his initial silly ideas has been shot and killed with facts he's unable to cope with the feeling: there's no meaningful answer, only stupid name calling. Boohoo.  -- [BQUOTE=[user=bicker]]Waaaa waaaa waaaa. You just want what you want and don't care to factor in what is right or true. Your perspectives are un-American, and deserve far more ridicule than I'm prepared to pile on them. [/BQUOTE] | |
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1 edit | Re: Wow, they are at it again! said by kamm:Why am I not surprised that all you were able up come up with against facts are irrelevant adhom attacks?  Archetype of the clueless loser reaction - after his initial silly ideas has been shot and killed with facts he's unable to cope with the feeling: there's no meaningful answer, only stupid name calling. Boohoo. irrelevant attacks???
I stated factual applications for a keyboard with dynamic keys. You stated completely negative opinions about them. Nothing you said was FACT.
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 | | gta 4 those running gta 4 on a dual core cpu will see an improvement. But for that kind of cash. I would wait and do upgrades. 200 Bucks goes a long way to a processor. | |
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 CheesePremium join:2003-10-26 Naples, FL kudos:1 | Funny I have hiccup free voice communication on my machine, when in Vent or any other program, when playing games, WITHOUT spending 180 for this "network" card  | |
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 R4M0NBrazilian Soccer Ownz Joo join:2000-10-04 Glen Allen, VA 1 edit | For that price.. Not only it MUST cut lag in half, it also has to rotate my tires, change my oil and calibrate my HDTV whenever needed.
Even then I'd probably still stick with my motherboard's built-in gigabit NIC.
Now if it comes with a free coupon for a Scandinavian model in the box, then it becomes a killer deal. | |
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- Hardware firewall. - Hardware bandwidth limiter. - Hardware Bit Torrent client. -- less talk, more music | |
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 |  Simba7 join:2003-03-24 Billings, MT | Re: Features You wanna know why? It contains a tiny custom Linux distro on it.
Why not just build a better router, install a custom Linux or *BSD distro, and tweak the hell out of it? | |
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Unless you're utilizing a high-end router and/or switch, this card isn't going to do jack for your internet connection. You also have to take your ISP into consideration. If your connection sucks, buying this network card isn't going to help. -- Bresnan 15M/1M|MyWS[P4HT 3.2GHz,2GB RAM,2x1TB HDDs,WinXP]|WifeWS[P4 2.4GHz,1GB RAM,60GB HDD,WinXP]|Router[2xP3@1GHz,640MB RAM,18GB HDD,Allied Telesyn AT-2560FX,Kingston KNE100TX,2xDigital DE504,Compaq NC3131,iPro/1000DP,Blitz BWI715,Gentoo Linux]
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The sad thing is that this card is extreme overkill for almost all uses. A decent 3com or Intel card that you can buy used for $5 will do almost all the actually useful things this card will do. -- It's wierdo, not weirdo. Yes, I know that's not the 'proper' spelling of the similar english language word.  | |
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 |  AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium join:2003-02-06 Onion, NJ | Re: hah said by brianiscool:I rather put that $179 into my next video card upgrade. If you want to cut lag, invest it in a better CPU | |
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