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Company gearing up for latest round of fighting FiOS
(old news - 04:55PM Friday Apr 10 2009)
tags: competition · business · cable · Cablevision
It's no secret that Cablevision should be announcing new faster Optimum Online speeds very soon, something confirmed recently by COO Tom Rutledge in a conference call with investors and analysts to discuss last quarter's earnings. The cable provider is spending $300 million to upgrade all of their markets with the speedier technology and deploy free Wi-Fi to a growing number of areas. While Wi-Fi is nice, our speed freaks are of course more interested in getting their hands of DOCSIS 3.0 technology.

Judging from comments made by Rutledge, the DOCSIS 3.0 portion of Cablevision's upgrade plan is moving along at a faster clip than the Wi-Fi installations.

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"We've nearly completed the DOCSIS 3.0 wideband deployment across our service area as part of Wi-Fi rollout," said Rutledge, "and we expect to make an announcement shortly related to a wideband product for both residential and business customers." The deployment should cost Cablevision between $70 and $120 per customer (they have more than 3.1 million).

Rumblings from inside Cablevision this week indicate that the company started beta testing one of their higher-end implementations of DOCSIS 3.0 on Tuesday.

According to posts in our Cablevision forum, the new tier being tested by Cablevision offers 101Mbps downstream and 15Mbps upstream for $289.95 per month. Before you complain about the price, note that this is a beta, and this specific tier would be targeted at very heavy residential or small business users. More affordable DOCSIS 3.0 tiers somewhere around 50Mbps are obviously likely.

Cablevision's current fastest speed offering is named "Boost", a 30Mbps/5Mbps DOCSIS 2.0 tier that's uncapped in the truest sense of the word. While fast, faster speeds would help Cablevision in their marketing battle against Verizon FiOS, which is quickly ramping up their efforts to deploy FTTH across New York City. From our conversations with Cablevision this week, they don't seem particularly interested in instituting caps or metered billing.

I asked Cablevision about this latest beta and was told they have no comment at this time. We hope to have more information soon, and from all indications customers shouldn't have long to wait.

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Dampier
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Rochester, NY

No Caps or Aggravation!

Wow... it's higher than TW pricing, but no caps and no aggravation!
me1212

join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO

Re: No Caps or Aggravation!

I may cost more, but look how much more you are getting. If I could I would get it. Just think how many hulu/netflix vids you could do at one time.................

Jafo232
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Re: No Caps or Aggravation!

Sigh................. I miss my OO. They had a rocky start with me, but that last couple years I had that service, it was the best.

Then I moved to a TW area and feel like I jumped back into time about 10 years..
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said by Dampier See Profile :

Wow... it's higher than TW pricing, but no caps and no aggravation!
Since TW tiers are much lower speeds than CV but cost the same, CV is a better deal even if you ignore TW's Caps/etc.

jadebangle
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said by Dampier See Profile :

Wow... it's higher than TW pricing, but no caps and no aggravation!
I would like it as cheap as possible
say 19.95 for 6.0/1.0
29.95 for 10mbps/1mbps
39.95 for 20mbps/2mbps
49.95 for 30mbps/3mbps
although I prefer 10/10, 20/20, or 30/30
sometime you can't be chooser if you are a beggar

Eat Me

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ

Re: No Caps or Aggravation!

Keep dreaming. 30M for $50? Not in the US, not this year at least.

baineschile
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Nice

Good strides for Copper. I wonder how much faster the fiber/coax boys can get?

hayabusa3303
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Re: Nice

there is alot of room left in that copper still.

hayabusa3303
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nice

If Tw could watch these guys. They would LEARN something.
squison

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Decatur, GA

Re: nice

The difference is CV has strong competition, while TW, in most cases, doesn't.

jadebangle
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said by hayabusa3303 See Profile :

If Tw could watch these guys. They would LEARN something.
tw isn't competing with cv
tw is a privately owned company for movie business
a big monopoly on the movie industry means limited bandwidth for all, pathetic upload speed :|
anti-consumer
anti-competition
anti-sharing

hayabusa3303
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Re: nice

the problem is now we have to get used to it.
margaf77

join:2000-12-22
Bayonne, NJ

Curious about their TOS on upstream

I know that Cv can be tough on heavy uploading in the past, I wonder if this will change with 15Mbps up.

MxxCon

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Re: Curious about their TOS on upstream

they stopped being "tough" on heavy uploaders over 2 years ago.
since then they stopped capping people.
so you can upload full throttle as much as you want and they won't say a thing.

jadebangle
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Re: Curious about their TOS on upstream

said by MxxCon See Profile :

they stopped being "tough" on heavy uploaders over 2 years ago.
since then they stopped capping people.
so you can upload full throttle as much as you want and they won't say a thing.
True but most ppl don't do that due to their laziness...

RDF

@rr.com

I wish This Company is in MA

Oh man with the caps coming out and not competition. I wish CV was in MA since TWC really sucks and have a monopoly in all 10031.

qx

@comcast.net

This is exactly what Time Warner should do

It makes SO MUCH SENSE from a business point of view to simply make your customers happy. People will PAY MONEY for a quality service. They will not pay if it sucks. So provide a great service like this and then charge them for it... It's that simple! Time Warner cable could learn A LOT from this business model. Easy, Easy, Easy!

imtim83
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Go OOL!

I love OOL!

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Re: Go OOL!

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said by According to posts in our Cablevision forum, the new tier being tested by Cablevision offers 101Mbps downstream and 15Mbps upstream for $289.95 per month. Before you complain about the price, note that this is a beta, and this specific tier would be targeted at very heavy residential or small business users. More affordable DOCSIS 3.0 tiers somewhere around 50Mbps are obviously likely.
a very rich person with nothing better to do with his or extra money lol sorry i'll settle for something alot slower and alot cheaper 1.5mbps for 19.95 a month
3.0 for 29.95 a month
6.0 for 34.95 a month
even if you have 1gbps and it cost 1000 a month no residential would find a use or able to afford it

MxxCon

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Re: Go OOL!

OOL Ultra is not targeted at regular consumers but rather small businesses..or people that can afford it.

Simba7

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Billings, MT

Re: Go OOL!

I operate a small data center out of my house and this would be freakin' awesome!

I hope Bresnan looks into this.
jjeffeory

join:2002-12-04
USA

While $1,000 a month is really, really steep. It's not true that a residential would find a use for 1GBPS. Come one, You could watch 3 streams of HD video in three different room, and record 2 HD shows all at the same time! I could think of many more.

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Re: Go OOL!

said by jjeffeory See Profile :

Come one, You could watch 3 streams of HD video in three different room, and record 2 HD shows all at the same time! I could think of many more.
You can do that with a 30Mbps connection if the video is MPEG-4.

In fact I just finished watching a netflix movie and it was always under 5Mbps.

MPEG-2 is wasteful.
jjeffeory

join:2002-12-04
USA

Re: Go OOL!

Yea, MPEG-2 is really wasteful. I have U-Verse in SoCal. It's basically a 24mbps connection with 6 mbps dedicated to video. I believe that U-Verse uses an mpeg-4 codec for their video. Man are their problems with viewing three HD programs at the same time with their service. It kind of sucks. The picture quality for their HD material is really, really soft and fuzzy too. It would be great to have at least a 100mbps speed connection for all that in addition to the internet, etc... We'll get there eventually...
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said by jjeffeory See Profile :

While $1,000 a month is really, really steep. It's not true that a residential would find a use for 1GBPS. Come one, You could watch 3 streams of HD video in three different room, and record 2 HD shows all at the same time! I could think of many more.
Since a 1gb buisness internet connection would run you more then 75k a month i would say no.

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said by imtim83 See Profile :

I love OOL!
Out of every single MSO in this country, they get it. Sure the critics will say: 'Their foot-print is minimal, sure they have less subs then majority of the MSO's in this country'. But they allow growth, and they allow what their CUSTOMERS need. Do they raise pricing? SURE, because they expand with GROWTH. They're the leaders of this field, and will continue to be the leaders of this field, because as much as people want to flame Dolan, he allows the engineers to fucking be engineers.

Besides the pricing point, you see currently, it'll adjust. They're seeing what Fios will offer, and I'm god damn happy they're bringing the fight to them. No MSO, or operator, has this type of competition in their areas, as Cablevision. They have to be leaders, not the typical Time Warner Cable, slack-jaw dependents.

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vinnie97

join:2003-12-05
Mesquite, TX

heh @ the contrast

utter hilarity at the contrasting of TWC with Cablevision.

RR User

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Re: heh @ the contrast

LOL, I can't believe it myself. Cablevision gives more and more and more, while TW takes away more and more.

Still, I think TW could "buy out" Cablevision, as it always seems to be an ongoing rumor, since TW is bursting at the seams with CASH since they are so greedy. I bet that would be a doomsday scenario for CV customers with the metered usage and all. However, I'd be more willing to bet even if TW offered CV a lot of money for a buyout (assuming for a nanosecond TW isn't cheap), CV would say "eww, no thanks TW". LOL
LJGoose

join:2008-08-31
Middle Island, NY
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Boost Subscriber

I know alot of people who are having issues with Cablevision right now but as for me I have not had a single issue. I have been a boost subscriber for over a year now and end up with speeds of 33-35/5 when I am only supposed to get 30 down. Great company. Tech support is not the greatest but thats what you have BBR for!

RARPSL

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Suffern, NY

Re: Boost Subscriber

said by LJGoose See Profile :

I know alot of people who are having issues with Cablevision right now but as for me I have not had a single issue. I have been a boost subscriber for over a year now and end up with speeds of 33-35/5 when I am only supposed to get 30 down.
Download on Boost has been uncapped for a while. While they only claim the speed as 30Mbs, the tier (and modem) is uncapped so it will deliver as much of the 38Mbs theoretical maximum as the congestion the Channel your Node has assigned to you will allow. Thus your getting that 30-35 at times.

BTW: The upload is capped at 5.5Mbs so you can get 5+Mbs at times.

Jeffrey
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If they can provide it, great

I've been both a CV subscriber (second time around) and a Fios subscriber, and while Fios was much better for me, I give kudos to CV if they can reliably provide those speeds. Granted, I'm not aware of any residential user willing to pay $300/month for for Internet access.

Fios and CV on Long Island provides excellent competition for consumers to make a choice.

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Surprises me

I think it's great that this company is doing this because they seem to have a vision concerning the future of the internet. Not like TWC which has no vision except taking 2 steps backwards.

With TWC testing caps, you have some people coming out and saying that ISP's should have bandwidth caps and that what they offer is more than enough. What surprises me though is I don't hear those same people complaining that Cablevision should have caps or what Cablevision is offering is to much.
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robl27
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sigh...

can cablevision please buy out cox? i want speeds!

Agent Smith

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New York

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LOls

Fiber can go over 1Gbps and up to 100Gbps im guessing.

But with thoes cables speeds i can imagine network slowdowns.

Eat Me

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Sussex, NJ

Re: LOls

Verizon's GPON maxes out at 2.4GBps and that's shared among 32 users, sorry.

Agent Smith

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New York

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Re: LOls

»www.broadbandinfo.com/news/Veriz···189.html

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ITALIAN926

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Yea, ummm, right now.

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said by Agent Smith See Profile :

Fiber can go over 1Gbps and up to 100Gbps im guessing.

But with thoes cables speeds i can imagine network slowdowns.
There is really no limit to fiber optic technology...unlike copper that is distance sensitive since it uses electric signal so the farther away the more signal quality you lose resulting in slower and slower speed...
I think it goes as fast as your hardware can support it

Bluegrassman

join:2008-05-29
Paducah, KY

Cablevision: please buy our market

Wow! Comcast has my market up for sale....I wish Cablevision would buy us.
tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY

Fee upgrade?

A free upgrade to 20/5 for the $29.95 ($49.95 unbundled) tier would certainly get Verizon's attention!

I can't see why a 100(1)/15 tier is very low on the upload...esp. at that price. It should be more symmetrical of at least 30mbit upload (There's a reason why docsis 3 is a new spec.. it can upload faster than docis 2.0 speeds)! FIOS does 50/20 so a higher price without a competitive upstream.. won't get many to bite.

Certainly residential & business want higher speeds.. but the pricing will be sky high for the time being while cablevision figures out what is fair compared with Verizon's offerings. There aren't enough docsis 3 customers around to report how well the service holds up during peak load times or severe weather.. or other network congestion & speed tests around the world.

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OO BOOST

I have just received it, well.. i had a prob with TV, and the tech announced it, and i was like sure... sign me up, he said it takes 3 days to activate.. this to me was a bit weierd, any booster's get anything dif? today's the day and yea.. nothing dif really
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Re: OO BOOST

BOOST shouldn't take more than 4hrs to take effect. The only thing you may have to do is power cycle your modem.
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