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Mount Airy, MD | How Is Anyone Surprised? Anyone who is even remotely politically literate in the USA knows that the Democrat party and the content industry have had a long and cozy relationship, far deeper than the one that exists between the GOP and the same industry.
Anyone who voted for Obama thinking that there would be any meaningful "reform" has been taken for a ride.
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| Re: How Is Anyone Surprised? said by Mike:meet the new boss, same as the old boss That's it, end this thread.
All that needed to be said was said by Mike.
I've said it before, and I'll keep saying it. It doesn't matter if you're getting ass reamed by a blue Donkey or a red Elephant. An ass reaming is an ass reaming.
Hope you all like it in the dupa, either way you slice it that's all you're gonna get from either side from this point in....
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| I'm somewhat surprised, because Obama seems to have more of a clue then the average politician on some issues related to Tech, such as broadband.... however, it's become clear when it comes to Copyright, Obama is in the camp of "Hollywood Content is one of America's most important industries".... "Biggest Exports", "Piracy cost us 6 gazillion bazillion last year" etc etc yadda yadda.
While I can hardly disagree with that position that IP is one of America's largest export industries, I do believe he's clearly out of touch with copyright fascism---- the draconian laws and tactics, which they keep pushing to make MORE unfair and MORE draconian, and apparently he doesn't see the costs of such moves (DRM, Piracy taxes, forced loyalty payments, three strikes etc the list goes on and on.)
It's disappointing, but as you say, not so much surprising... and it's another example of the two party system in the USA failing to defend or protect the positions and opinions of much of the citizenry.... voting for either still equals fail.
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: How Is Anyone Surprised? said by KrK:It's disappointing, but as you say, not so much surprising... and it's another example of the two party system in the USA failing to defend or protect the positions and opinions of much of the citizenry.... voting for either still equals fail. Conversely I won't understand why the GOP supports any type of law or enforcement action that benefits the content industry. The content industry, from the actors, singers, artists, writers, producers, etc. all the way up to the executives at the highest level are all flaming liberals politically. On top of that, the content industry never wastes an opportunity to trash the GOP or any conservative in general.
With that in mind, why would the GOP care so much about the welfare of this industry? Because, as you accurately pointed out, most of the time any proposal comes around to strengthen said industry, the GOP stupidly lines up behind it.
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| Re: How Is Anyone Surprised? They also are big believers in "This is one of America's most Important industries" IE Cash cows.
While I hardly can disagree that it's a big industry (The creation of entertainment, few could argue the US is the biggest exporter of movies/music/graphics/gaming etc in the World) I do take issue with laws that criminalize regular behavior, with draconian anti-consumer fines and punishments, mandatory royalty/tax type plans or suggestions that hurt innocent people, etc
The US Constitution prohibits cruel or unusual punishment, or to put it in more common terms "Let the punishment fit the crime."
Copyright infringement on a personal level is rather like a minor traffic violation... and the punishments should be similar, IMHO.
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Canonsburg, PA | Re: How Is Anyone Surprised? said by insomniac84:The worst part is that he just ran into the negative effects of DRM when he gave those DVDs to a guy in England. He has seen the bullshit first hand. All that shows is that he doesn't have a clue how so called "intellectual property" law effects the average person. He's appointing RIAA lawyers based on political ties rather than any understanding of the issues involved. | |
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1 edit | said by KrK:I'm somewhat surprised... It shouldn't surprise you at all, it all makes sense when you realize that Obama isn't as smart or clever as you all thought he was (which accounts for the teleprompters, his meandering speech when off message, the audience plants and the fact that the Democratic party really didn't want him to run)and that he is nothing but a pretty shell that does what the core of the party tells him to. America stupidly voted for hope and change and what they got is an America without a separation of power between executive and legislative branches.
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Erie, PA | Re: How Is Anyone Surprised? said by KrK:The exact same things people said about Bush.... .... and the next guy to be elected as well, I'm sure. Right, you just keep saying that to justify what you know to be true. This time it's just not idle speech of a pissed off demographic.
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| Re: How Is Anyone Surprised? I think personally Obama's a fairly smart guy. I just don't know what kind of constraints and/or "requirements" he's subject to.
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| I'm quite sure most of this speech is from a pissed off demographic, all right. The same people who will vote Republican next time and then will be silent for years---- like all these "Tea Party" folks. Um where have they been for the last 8 years? Giving their support to their party, of course.... until they lost. Now they're mad as hell. To hear 'em talk you'd think the USA was fine and perfect a few months ago but has completely been destroyed ever since Obama took office.
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Erie, PA | Re: How Is Anyone Surprised? The tea party people have been around for a while in various forms. The reason you haven't heard much coverage of them is that the solution to the tax problem makes almost no one happy and thus isn't news friendly. What has changed is the massive upward shift in debt/GDP ratio which has made many of these people significantly louder.
I was going to go to the one in Erie, but I'm not entirely comfortable with the fact that it's been organized by the local republican party, which I don't think is entirely appropriate.
There are, as with any movement, a lot of hangers on that do just as you say, but that's with any movement. I think you'd be surprised to find just how many Obama supporters lost interest on Nov. 3rd and now really have no clue whats going on beyond the Obamessiah poster they hung in the window back in September.
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| said by KrK:... because Obama seems to have more of a clue ... Snort, sorry that was the sound of coffee being expelled
throught the nose. Pricless defintion of oxymoronic.
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kudos:4 | said by pnh102:Anyone who is even remotely politically literate in the USA knows that the Democrat party and the content industry have had a long and cozy relationship, far deeper than the one that exists between the GOP and the same industry. Anyone who voted for Obama thinking that there would be any meaningful "reform" has been taken for a ride. You aren't kidding. Opensecrets.org just made it easier to track where election money goes to and comes from. I created a web page using widgets from opensecrets.org that shows how Hollyweird was a BIG contributor to the Dems & Obama.
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Franklin, TN | said by ThrowDemsOut:said by pnh102:Anyone who is even remotely politically literate in the USA knows that the Democrat party and the content industry have had a long and cozy relationship, far deeper than the one that exists between the GOP and the same industry. Anyone who voted for Obama thinking that there would be any meaningful "reform" has been taken for a ride. You aren't kidding. Opensecrets.org just made it easier to track where election money goes to and comes from. I created a web page using widgets from opensecrets.org that shows how Hollyweird was a BIG contributor to the Dems & Obama. » tkjunkmail.googlepages.com/moneytopols[att=1,l][att=2,c] Yeah those account for what?
$3,390,678 / $368,272,968 = 0.0092 %
So I guess that means the barely 1% contributor to his election is really that important? I think the individual donations way slide-out your numbers and relevance here.
Don't you just love Math!
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kudos:4 | Re: How Is Anyone Surprised? said by knightmb:$3,390,678 / $368,272,968 = 0.0092 % So I guess that means the barely 1% contributor to his election is really that important? I think the individual donations way slide-out your numbers and relevance here. Don't you just love Math! Yes it is that important. Because the big contributors get access to the party leaders. And the millions of small contributors get squat.
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kudos:1 | said by pnh102:Anyone who is even remotely politically literate in the USA knows that the Democrat party and the content industry have had a long and cozy relationship, far deeper than the one that exists between the GOP and the same industry. Anyone who voted for Obama thinking that there would be any meaningful "reform" has been taken for a ride. Lord Obama promised us peace! | |
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: How Is Anyone Surprised? said by DrModem:Lord Obama promised us peace! Peace in our time? 
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Albany, CA | said by pnh102:Anyone who voted for Obama thinking that there would be any meaningful "reform" has been taken for a ride. TBH, Obama disappoints me almost every time I read a news story regarding his administration. He has broken promise after promise. The thing that disappoints me most is that the promises Obama breaks aren't your standard "I won't raise taxes," promise it's the "I believe in transparency and ethics," promises he repeatedly breaks. | |
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Using the pejorative "pirate" once again shows just how brainwashed he and others are by MAFIAA propaganda. All they are capable of doing is parroting it as though it were the truth.
And using the same old tired rhetoric again and again won't change anyone's opinion on the subject, nor stop infringement. In fact there is nothing that can stop it - even something like ACTA will only drive it underground and make it completely unstoppable. It will create a new black market.
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| What everyone seems to be forgetting.... Like my title states, if they want to work in this administration, they are BARRED from working on issues related to the entertainment industry. These people are lawyers, not just shills for the RIAA/MPAA. The strong majority of lawyers that I know personally (friends and family) are more willing to follow the path to more power and money than having loyalty to an "employer".
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Chicago, IL | If I needed an attorney... ...I'd find one who has a track record of winning cases.
Attorneys are like the CIA...the CIA doesn't create foreign policy, it supports the policy of the nation. A good attorney fights for his client, regardless of guilt/innocence in a criminal case or the position being litigated in a civil one.
The effectiveness of RIAA attorneys, regardless of how one may feel about RIAA itself, cannot be disputed as they've been overwhelmingly successful in winning cases for their client.
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I have always been in the middle of the road on this issue but I am just plain sick of hearing about it truthfully. Just watch what you are doing because the RIAA has every right to go after whomever is infringing on their property (as long as those processes are fair and legal, which for a few years they have not been).
What I noticed over the past few years is that the folks that are making this a big deal are not the people that use P2P to steal music, movies or whatever but just choose a topic to get angry about much the same way folks on Digg are always pissed about something. | |
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| Re: obama Sides With RIAA Funny how this is completely against his little socialist adgenda. I'm suprised that he doesn't say that the government should supply you with all the music/movies/games you want for the low low price of a massive tax increase. Crap, I shouldn't give him ideas..... | |
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1 edit | What's the bitch? These lawyers work and represent whoever hires them. If the RIAA hires them, they work to represent the RIAA. If a defendant against the RIAA hired them, they would assail the RIAA.
It's not like you order up a pre-programmed RIAA lawyer robot and they only do one thing. These lawyers use (twist) the law to represent those cutting the checks. The government hires them because they have experience in copyright law and the RIAA had big bucks to hire the skilled lawyers.
So it is not a given they'll just be mouth pieces for the RIAA. They'll now be mouthpieces for the government (who acts as lapdog for the RIAA). | |
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| | | Re: What's the bitch? said by Bit:These lawyers work and represent whoever hires them. If the RIAA hires them, they work to represent the RIAA. If a defendant against the RIAA hired them, they would assail the RIAA. It's not like you order up a pre-programmed RIAA lawyer robot and they only do one thing. These lawyers use (twist) the law to represent those cutting the checks. The government hires them because they have experience in copyright law and the RIAA had big bucks to hire the skilled lawyers. So it is not a given they'll just be mouth pieces for the RIAA. They'll now be mouthpieces for the government (who acts as lapdog for the RIAA). Well if neither defendant nor prosecutor can be trusted, lets just abide by the Bard's wishes...Kill Them All. | |
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Mountain View, CA | Remember the election Remember all the hype and media blitz like never before?
Remember all the punchlines and coverages during the election? Sure it's media's job to hype things up.
And when you've backed the winner, guess who serves you.
And when the winners control comes into play, the amount of service provided to you/us is clearly dictated by how much money you and I donated. Not our vote.
So guess who comes first on good Ol' Cheery O's list of kick backs. That's right you guessed it.
Our turn, if it ever comes, will be the table scraps, if we are even that lucky.
Working across party lines meant something else, instead of individual and civil liberties, freedom and peace. It was just another plug to tell the guys on the other side, HEY, we have a plan to make some money over here. Of coarse the people think it means a resolution to the problems that face society when all it really produces is more ways for those already in control to rip people of their freedoms even more. Why, for the love of money that's why.
It's a party for the political and business exclusives and your not invited, but hey, thanks for your vote. We'll be sure to bring you the charge errr, CHANGE you deserve.
Oh you paid me already!?
Well then, here let me hook you up with a little somethin somethin...
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