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Network goes live ahead of official summer launch...
(old news - 06:29PM Monday May 11 2009)
tags: business · wireless · Clearwire
While Clearwire has yet to officially announce anything, the folks over at the WiMax blog note that Atlanta-area residents are now able to order Clear Mobile WiMax service via the Clear website. Clear has so far only been available in Portland, Oregon and in Baltimore under the Sprint "Xohm" brand. Clearwire confirms to Unstrung that they are in fact selling Clear in Atlanta ahead of a planned summer launch. The company has publicly stated that Atlanta and Las Vegas would be the next official launch markets, with a total of nine markets going online in 2009 (including Chicago, Philadelphia, and Dallas/Ft. Worth).

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Toguro

join:2003-10-23
Ottawa, IL

Chicago

Any decade now
RadioDoc
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Re: Chicago

Right after the Cubs win the World Series.
jameswade

join:2001-12-09
Hot Springs, NC

More broadband?

That's nice, Atlanta has Several DSL providers, cable Internet providers, a couple of 3G providers and now WiMax.

We're in a fairly densely populated rural area and can only get 14.4kbps dialup.

Something's wrong here.

TKJunkMail
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Re: More broadband?

said by jameswade See Profile :

We're in a fairly densely populated rural area and can only get 14.4kbps dialup.
You can get satellite broadband.
jameswade

join:2001-12-09
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Re: More broadband?

That's not useful to us because of latency and the severe restrictions on the amount bandwidth used.

VPN, VOIP, distance learning (videos), videoconferencing, etc., just don't work with satellite and the reliability and support aren't there. Price is ridiculous for what you get. We have neighbors with HughesNet, and Wild Blue - they are horror stories.

I don't consider satellite to be an alternative.

SHABAZZ

join:2008-07-13
Seattle, WA

Re: More broadband?

No matter how bad Satellite is it's better than dial up...
jameswade

join:2001-12-09
Hot Springs, NC

Re: More broadband?

Depends on what you're doing, VPN is about the same speed and about $60 less...

Satellite is not an alternative for us.
Gilitar

join:2000-11-20
Mobile, AL
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Re: More broadband?

said by jameswade See Profile :

Depends on what you're doing, VPN is about the same speed and about $60 less...

Satellite is not an alternative for us.
Huh? VPN? VPN isn't your connection to the internet. It's a Virtual Private Network via your internet connection.
jameswade

join:2001-12-09
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Re: More broadband?

We need VPN. Satellite such long latency that VPN over satellite works at dialup speeds.

Satellites doesn't work for us.

Back to my original point, some places have a multitude of broadband, some have no sources of broadband.

Multiple sources of broadband in an area dilutes the effective population density.

I'm just irritated that we can't seem to get broadband in this area. A local non-profit Wireless Internet Service Provider keeps taking grants to provide wireless broadband, but they only bring it to places bring it to places that already have cable Internet, DSL, and 3G.

said by Gilitar See Profile :

said by jameswade See Profile :

Depends on what you're doing, VPN is about the same speed and about $60 less...

Satellite is not an alternative for us.
Huh? VPN? VPN isn't your connection to the internet. It's a Virtual Private Network via your internet connection.

Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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Jamestown, NC

Re: More broadband?

If all those providers won't bring it to your area, then your area must not be as densely populated as you think or is otherwise undesirable.
jameswade

join:2001-12-09
Hot Springs, NC
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Re: More broadband?

That wasn't helpful. About as unhelpful as the rest of the posts.

Looks like BBR has gone downhill lately.

said by Matt See Profile :

If all those providers won't bring it to your area, then your area must not be as densely populated as you think or is otherwise undesirable.

Matt
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Re: More broadband?

said by jameswade See Profile :

That wasn't helpful. About as unhelpful as the rest of the posts.

Looks like BBR has gone downhill lately.

said by Matt See Profile :

If all those providers won't bring it to your area, then your area must not be as densely populated as you think or is otherwise undesirable.
Not helpful and not what you want to hear are two different things. You weren't asking for a solution. Are you interested in how to solve the lack of broadband in your area? I'd be happy to link you to the WISP forum on here who could give you all the help you need starting a WISP and servicing your area.
jjeffeory

join:2002-12-04
USA

said by SHABAZZ See Profile :

No matter how bad Satellite is it's better than dial up...
Not if you factor in the price and increased frustration from the experience. It's almost insulting, I'd say... I used to think as you now do, but now it doesn't seem the case.

RiseAbove
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said by SHABAZZ See Profile :

No matter how bad Satellite is it's better than dial up...
Sat is junk plus it costs to much.

Go to verizon or sprint, I prefer verizon a lot more reliable, and get a 3G USB card and then go to 3gstore.com and get yourself the Kyocera kr2 and have internet for a lot cheaper than sat. Plus you can get external antennas for your home so you can make sure to have a very strong signal all the time which can get up to 1.4mb down.

I've rigged up a good amount of people who live in the country like that and it works perfectly.
jjeffeory

join:2002-12-04
USA

said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by jameswade See Profile :

We're in a fairly densely populated rural area and can only get 14.4kbps dialup.
You can get satellite broadband.
Well that sucks for them. Might as well just use dial-up...

Matt
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said by jameswade See Profile :

We're in a fairly densely populated rural area
A densly populated rural area of 645 people?

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Spring···Carolina
jameswade

join:2001-12-09
Hot Springs, NC

Re: More broadband?

Didn't say we lived in Hot Springs did I?

Hot Springs has DSL.

For a rural area the area that we live in is fairly densely populated.
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY

Re: More broadband?

said by jameswade See Profile :

Didn't say we lived in Hot Springs did I?

Hot Springs has DSL.

For a rural area the area that we live in is fairly densely populated.
Co-incidence or not?
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HotSp···sign.jpg

SHABAZZ

join:2008-07-13
Seattle, WA
HaHa...
alfnoid
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join:2002-02-18

Poor choices

Well they say I can get it. (I saw them working on the tower 1/4 mile from my house a couple months back so I would think so).
Thing is that the upload speeds aren't great and it is only affordable on a 2 year contract!
If you go month to month not only do you have to pay an activation fee, but they force you to buy their "gear"/modem.

I was very interested, but will never sign a two year contract with a company like this (especially since I have no idea how the service even works) and don't really want to spend an extra $185 just so I don't have to sign a contract.
iansltx

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Re: Poor choices

Not seeing why you think this is such a bad deal.

Sure, cable might offer better speeds. Same with DSL. Or it might not.

Still, 6 Mbit down and 500k up for $40/month is not bad at all. Better than BellSouth DSL and you'll actually get the speed you're paying for. Or if you just want decent upload speeds, 768/384 is $20 and 3/500 is $30. Dirt cheap compared to my $65 cable bill.

If you really want the upload speed, business 4/1 is a mere $55/month, and 6/1 is $75. I know that in many places Time Warner won't go above 512k up so if Clear ever comes to those areas it'll be a godsend.

So yeah, I fail to see why Clear's pricing plans are so horrible. Thyey seem reasonable to me, especially for something that's wireless and thus dealing with a set amount of spectrum (albeit a large amount ) available in any given area.
jjeffeory

join:2002-12-04
USA

Re: Poor choices

said by iansltx See Profile :

Not seeing why you think this is such a bad deal.
Better than BellSouth DSL and you'll actually get the speed you're paying for.
It seems rather insane that we all accept the concept of NOT getting what you pay for with broadband. Shouldn't we actually expect to get what we pay for? I mean you don't buy "up to a gallon" of gas or up to a month's worth of rent when you use those services... Just craziness.
iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO

Re: Poor choices

I don't accept it...look around and you'll see my complaints about Qwest with the 85% rule. Cable, some DSL providers and WiMAX all have overprovisiooning so you get what you pay for
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY


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Clear is no different than VZ, ATT, TM, SPCS. Your chances of P2Ping or doing serious file transfers on Clear are over.

quote:
3. Data Plans/Overages

For Clear Accounts only.

You will be entitled to use the Clear Service for the bandwidth amounts and download speeds (collectively referred to as the "Plan Amount") listed on your Order Confirmation. If you exceed your allotted Plan Amount, Clearwire will automatically charge you and you agree to pay an additional internet service usage fee of $10 per GB of additional bandwidth (the "Overage Charge"). You may track your current usage by visiting the usage meter found at www.clear.com/my_account/. Your Plan Amount does not roll-over, but expires at the end of each month with all unused amounts forfeited.

.....................................

12. Network Management. You acknowledge that speed and bandwidth available to each computer or device connected to the network may vary for reasons including, but not limited to the number of users, computers or devices connected to the network, the amount of data being transferred over the network, and available bandwidth. You also agree that Clearwire retains the right, in its sole and absolute discretion, to employ network management activities including, but not limited to (i) reducing, limiting, or otherwise restricting uplink and downlink speeds and transfer rates, (ii) reducing or limiting peer-to-peer sessions during periods of high network congestion, (iii) preventing the delivery of spam, (iv) detecting malicious Internet traffic and preventing the distribution of viruses or other harmful code or content, and (v) using other tools and techniques to control bandwidth overuse. For further information, please refer to Clearwire's Acceptable Use Policy, available at www.clearwire.com/company/legal/aup.htm, which may be amended from time to time.

13. Acceptable Use Policy. The Acceptable Use Policy is incorporated into these Terms of Service as though they are a part of it. Clearwire reserves the right to immediately restrict, limit, suspend or terminate your Service or terminate this Agreement for any violation of the Acceptable Use Policy.

Here is the AUP, have fun.

quote:
Excessive Utilization of Network Resources. Wireless networks have capacity limits and all customers can suffer from degraded or denied service when one or a small group of users consumes disproportionate amounts of a wireless network's resources. Clearwire, therefore, will monitor both overall network performance and individual resource consumption to determine if any user is consuming a disproportionate amount of available resources and creating the potential to unreasonably disrupt or degrade the Clearwire network or network usage by others. Clearwire reserves the right to engage in reasonable network management to protect the overall network, including detecting malicious traffic patterns and preventing the distribution of viruses or other malicious code, and through techniques such as limiting the aggregate bandwidth available to bandwidth intensive users during periods of congestion. While the determination of what constitutes excessive use depends on the specific state of the network at any given time, excessive use will be determined by resource consumption and not by the use of any particular application. When feasible, upon observation of an excessive use pattern, Clearwire will attempt to contact you by e-mail at the e-mail address on file or otherwise to alert you to your excessive use of bandwidth and to help determine the cause. Clearwire representatives also are available to explain the parameters of this AUP and to help you avoid another excessive use incident or to upgrade you to a different class of Service that comports with your usage. If you are unavailable or do not respond to Clearwire's attempt to contact you regarding excessive use, or if excessive use is ongoing or recurring, Clearwire reserves the right, set forth in the "AUP Enforcement and Notice" provisions below, to act immediately and without further notice to restrict, suspend or terminate your Service.

Use of Your Account by Others. You may not, through action or inaction, allow others to use the Service for illegal or improper activities or for any purpose or in any manner prohibited by this AUP nor may you reproduce, duplicate, copy, sell, provision, resell, rent, lend, pledge, transfer, distribute or exploit any portion of the Service or hardware without Clearwire's prior written consent . You may not permit your network, through action or inaction, to be configured in such a way that gives a third party the capability to use the Service in an illegal or improper manner or for any purpose or in any manner prohibited by this AUP.

Oh yeah, setting up a hitspot powered by Clear is also against the rules.

Fanboys, its time to lay off, Clear is no different then VZ, ATT, and SPCS. All major wireless services have caps from hell since their "node bandwidth" is a tiny fraction of the bandwidth that cable customers share, and thats not going away anytime soon.
iansltx

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Re: Poor choices

A wireless network, if done right, will have a decent amount of capacity. Though you're right, wireless doesn't have as much capacity as wired in an apples to apples comparison. With that in mindClear probably *should* manage network traffic so someone doing P2P doesn't kill everyone else's YouTube, Hulu, VoIP and gaming traffic. That'd be bad mojo.

About the whole hotspot thing, Clear itself has a portable WiMAX-to-WiFi gateway, so if you use it to run a mini hotspot, it's probably not a huge deal. They just don't want Starbucks substituting their WiMAX for a T1. Though they'd probably be fine with a small cffee shop using a business-cass connection to serve the odd customer who needs a 'net connection...
DarnellP

join:2004-10-12
Las Vegas, NV

Pricing

The Xohm pricing is/was a lot more competitive than the Clear pricing. They would achieve greater acceptance if they would retain the Xohm pricing plans.
JJV
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Seattle, WA
clubs:

Where is Seattle?

I hope they hurry up with the Seattle upgrade.

The old Clearwire is pretty disappointing.
expert007

join:2006-01-10
Buffalo, NY

Your defintion of unlimited differs from my definition

After reading that AUP and TOS, it seems rather ironic that they can still use that pesky word "unlimited". I think its time for Websters to change the definition in the dictionary.

On another note, I wonder what speeds people are actually seeing on both tiers.

charliee

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haha

stupid name from xohm to clear and lack of coverage. they will be out of business in a year or less
hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH

Re: haha

Yah you keep claiming that. The same has been said about Vonage, AOL, and Earthlink. And guess what? they're still around.
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