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Here Comes The DTV Transition (For Real This Time)
974 additional stations make the leap next Friday
by Karl Bode Thursday 04-Jun-2009 tags: fcc · business · cable
After delaying the deadline earlier this year, the FCC and broadcasters are entering the home stretch ahead of the digital TV transition cutover date (June 12, one week from tomorrow). In a statement (pdf), interim FCC boss Michael Copps makes a funny, telling anyone who thinks there will be another delay that they "had better wake up and smell the converter box." While many thought an additional delay wasn't necessary, Copps insists the FCC has made great strides:

The good news is that we are in considerably better shape now than we were four months ago. We were nowhere near ready for a nationwide transition in February. Had we flipped the switch then, we would have faced a consumer debacle that would have made New Coke look like a stroke of marketing genius.

Roughly 784 stations have already made the switch., while an additional 974 will make the transition next Friday. The FCC has announced that 35 stations will go dark entirely -- most of them because they could not afford the costs related to the transition. The government has handed out 58 million coupons to help consumers buy digital gear, more than six million of which haven't been used yet.

Despite months of efforts the FCC still expects a significant number of Americans to be caught completely unaware by the transition -- though the FCC argues that number has dropped substantially in four months. The latest data from Nielsen suggests just 2.7% of Americans are going to be caught unaware (the majority of them seniors), down from more than 6% at the beginning of the year.

If you're interested, the FCC runs a map aimed at helping over the air fans figure out what kind of signals they'll see post transition, though many people seem to prefer the maps over at TV fool.

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I still use an antenna

My house came with an Antenna, and I don't watch much television, so I don't really care either way.

However, the only notices I have seen in the past few months about the transition were cable companies advertising their services and not making it clear that a simple converter box is all that was needed.

Prior to the original deadline I saw a LOT of advertisements with real facts about the looming transition.

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Re: I still use an antenna

Look at it from the cablecos point of view, which gets them more money a dude buying converter box OR a new subscriber.

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DTV is nice when it workls

Be nice to see how things work once the dust settles.

We are in a rural area in hilly terrain. Even with high quality rooftop antenna some DTV signals are marginal at best. In fairness those analog stations were also very snowy.

DTV coverage is often somewhat less then analog. Hopefully once stations get better real world experience with DTV transmission they will submit modification to FCC to increase coverage, by increasing Tx power (expensive) antenna modifications, or installing low power translators. Translators are common here in NH to extend coverage to the north country.

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said by tschmidt:

DTV coverage is often somewhat less then analog. Hopefully once stations get better real world experience with DTV transmission they will submit modification to FCC to increase coverage, by increasing Tx power (expensive) antenna modifications
I thought I remember seeing somewhere that once the analog stations are shut down, the digital transmitters could power up to full strength. During the transition there were only operating at a percentage of what they were capable of. I don't know if that is true or if that power up has happened for some stations already or not.
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said by cdru:

said by tschmidt:

DTV coverage is often somewhat less then analog. Hopefully once stations get better real world experience with DTV transmission they will submit modification to FCC to increase coverage, by increasing Tx power (expensive) antenna modifications
I thought I remember seeing somewhere that once the analog stations are shut down, the digital transmitters could power up to full strength. During the transition there were only operating at a percentage of what they were capable of. I don't know if that is true or if that power up has happened for some stations already or not.
In our area - NYC - there's only one station that I know of not at full DTV power - channel 13.1 WNET (PBS). On the 12th once they shut off the analog tv, the power of the DTV ch 13.1 will be cranked up

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Re: DTV is nice when it workls

said by dsl_sutra:

said by cdru:

said by tschmidt:

DTV coverage is often somewhat less then analog. Hopefully once stations get better real world experience with DTV transmission they will submit modification to FCC to increase coverage, by increasing Tx power (expensive) antenna modifications
I thought I remember seeing somewhere that once the analog stations are shut down, the digital transmitters could power up to full strength. During the transition there were only operating at a percentage of what they were capable of. I don't know if that is true or if that power up has happened for some stations already or not.
In our area - NYC - there's only one station that I know of not at full DTV power - channel 13.1 WNET (PBS). On the 12th once they shut off the analog tv, the power of the DTV ch 13.1 will be cranked up
yeah but once the analog is shut off even those stations at full power can make changes once they have some data on reception. They might find the reception isn't as good as analog and thus raise their transmitters. They could apply to the FCC and be allowed to transmit at more power than they are allowed now. See none of this can happen until AFTER analog is shut off. And if it shut down in Feb like it was supposed to they'd have all that figured out by now.

Also stations can now apply to use digital translators. Once again stations need some data on this and that can't happen until June 12th. And it'll probably take a couple of months to get all the data at least

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said by cdru:

I thought I remember seeing somewhere that once the analog stations are shut down, the digital transmitters could power up to full strength.
It is a mixed bag. During the simulcast period TV spectrum is pretty congested since each station is transmitting on two channels, one analog one digital. Some but by no means all stations are transmitting at lower power.

1) Pre transition many stations are already transmitting at full power with final antenna height and design.

2) Due to interference concerns or use of temporary equipment some stations are transmitting at lower then authorized power or using less then optimum temporary antenna. Post transition reception for these stations will get better.

3) Some stations will move DTV from temporary UHF channel to VHF. That should help coverage as VHF is less affected by obstructions like trees.

4) Once the dust settles some stations may submit modification requests to increase coverage area.

/tom
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In my opinion, comparing the coverage of analog to digital TV is a fairly difficult. You are trying to compare something that drops off abruptly to something that fades away. Drawing the threshold for analog TV is fairly difficult as what defines 'watchability' has as much variation as opinions do.

edit: i ditched my store bought uhf/vhf for a home built hack of a DB4 directional antenna. The quality is improvement huge. a store bought DB4 antenna is ~$50, mine is ~$10.

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I dont know of anyone who uses an antenna.

seriously, in the last 10 years I havent met anyone who doesnt have cable/sattelite or fiber. Everybody I know has cable, even the people I know who dont own a tv (they have cable internet).

The only thing that will suck about this transition is that many people who rely on antenna will lose channels because digital signal does not travel as far as analog.
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Re: I dont know of anyone who uses an antenna.

My in-laws in rural Indiana use an outside antenna and have older analog TVs. I was there last month and connected several converter boxes that we got for them, using the government coupons. After scanning, I found that they were receiving over 20 DTV channels.

Worked out great. Now they are all set for June 12. All they have to do is re-scan the converter boxes.
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Most everyone here uses or at least has an antenna.

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said by Frank:

seriously, in the last 10 years I havent met anyone who doesnt have cable/sattelite or fiber. Everybody I know has cable, even the people I know who dont own a tv (they have cable internet).

The only thing that will suck about this transition is that many people who rely on antenna will lose channels because digital signal does not travel as far as analog.
I dropped Cable and Satellite for a DTV antenna, Netflix and Hulu. Works great and aside from Netflix, it completely free.

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Re: I dont know of anyone who uses an antenna.

So you have free internet access?

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Re: I dont know of anyone who uses an antenna.

said by SLD:

So you have free internet access?
What does that have to do with anything?

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said by Matt:

said by SLD:

So you have free internet access?
What does that have to do with anything?
Your original statement was that it was completely free (aside from Netflix). SLD See Profile point I believe is that it isn't completely free as you are likely paying for broadband. You may not be paying more then what you would pay if you were just accessing the internet for non-streaming content, but the cost is still non-zero.

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Re: I dont know of anyone who uses an antenna.

And if the ISP's get their way you will be paying extra, per Gig, for that content.

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said by cdru:

said by Matt:

said by SLD:

So you have free internet access?
What does that have to do with anything?
Your original statement was that it was completely free (aside from Netflix). SLD See Profile point I believe is that it isn't completely free as you are likely paying for broadband. You may not be paying more then what you would pay if you were just accessing the internet for non-streaming content, but the cost is still non-zero.
My antenna has nothing to do with the internet. If I didn't have internet access I wouldn't use Netflix or Hulu. Regardless, the point I am trying to make is that, aside from my Netflix cost (which I'd still have any for physical discs) my television bill is 0.

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said by cdru:

said by Matt:

said by SLD:

So you have free internet access?
What does that have to do with anything?
Your original statement was that it was completely free (aside from Netflix). SLD See Profile point I believe is that it isn't completely free as you are likely paying for broadband. You may not be paying more then what you would pay if you were just accessing the internet for non-streaming content, but the cost is still non-zero.
If you were going to have internet access anyways yes it's zero cost. It would only be an extra cost if the ONLY reason you were getting internet was to watch Hulu and Netflix.

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He, like I, probably is going to get the internet service anyways, so that doesn't factor into to the cost of our current setup.
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I'm going to cancel my expensive Cablevision service. I can't use an outside antenna, so I doubt I can receive any DTV signals here (analog with rabbit ears was pretty snowy, but watchable). So we won't have any TV service at all.
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Re: I dont know of anyone who uses an antenna.

I'm sure Cablevision is saying good riddance.
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said by fifty nine:

I'm sure Cablevision is saying good riddance.
Good riddance to the bastards at Cablevision.
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said by Bobcat:

I'm going to cancel my expensive Cablevision service. I can't use an outside antenna, so I doubt I can receive any DTV signals here (analog with rabbit ears was pretty snowy, but watchable). So we won't have any TV service at all.
Why can't you use an outside antenna?

Also rabbit ears are VHF and most DTV stations are on UHF signals.

According to TVfool there are plenty of channels for your area to get in. Something like 30 without counting the subchannels. Of course without knowing your exact location you may get better or worse reception
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Re: I dont know of anyone who uses an antenna.

Townhouse association owns the exterior of the building, so they can restrict antennas.

I'm at least 40 miles away from the NYC stations and there's a mountain in the way.

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Re: I dont know of anyone who uses an antenna.

said by Bobcat:

Townhouse association owns the exterior of the building, so they can restrict antennas.

I'm at least 40 miles away from the NYC stations and there's a mountain in the way.
once again I'm going by TVfool.com which take terrian into account so they are taking that mountain into account unless that mountain is only in one part of town. Once agian without an exact location I can't get a more accurate reading. You however can go to TVfool.com and enter your address and then show us what it says.
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said by TVfool :
Reception at your location is affected by many factors such as multipath, antenna gain, receiver sensitivity, buildings, and trees - which are not taken into account.

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said by Bobcat:

Townhouse association owns the exterior of the building, so they can restrict antennas.

I'm at least 40 miles away from the NYC stations and there's a mountain in the way.
You don't have any yard space that is for your exclusive use?
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said by Bobcat:

Townhouse association owns the exterior of the building, so they can restrict antennas.

I'm at least 40 miles away from the NYC stations and there's a mountain in the way.
The Hills? You might want to check with them to see if the rules have been changed because of this. I'm not in your area, but I was surprised to find out that my apt. complex now allows DirectTV dishes attached to the outside balconies. They didn't used to allow that.
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not all 'rabbit ears' are purely vhf. i bought one that is uhf and vhf.
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said by Bobcat:

I'm going to cancel my expensive Cablevision service. I can't use an outside antenna, so I doubt I can receive any DTV signals here (analog with rabbit ears was pretty snowy, but watchable). So we won't have any TV service at all.
must be an apartment or rental home if you cant mount an Antenna.

if its not a rental home then afaik it is illegal(per FCC) for HOAs to prohibit use of a TV antenna.
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Re: I dont know of anyone who uses an antenna.

said by Kearnstd:

said by Bobcat:

I'm going to cancel my expensive Cablevision service. I can't use an outside antenna, so I doubt I can receive any DTV signals here (analog with rabbit ears was pretty snowy, but watchable). So we won't have any TV service at all.
must be an apartment or rental home if you cant mount an Antenna.

if its not a rental home then afaik it is illegal(per FCC) for HOAs to prohibit use of a TV antenna.
Also he can get a outdoor antenna that's necessarily a rooftop one. With UHF higher is not always better. My best signals on UHF come 2-4 feet off the ground.

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Re: I dont know of anyone who uses an antenna.

said by BF69 See ProfileAlso he can get a outdoor antenna that's necessarily a rooftop one. With UHF higher is not always better. My best signals on UHF come 2-4 feet off the ground.
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Higher is generally better for VHF/UHF. The catch is that tress and other objects attenuate the signal and also produce reflections.

So in your case you may just have found a "sweet spot."

In my case my antenna has to be at 70ft on my 86ft tower to work.

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If you can get a snowy watchable picture with rabbit ears you might be surprised by what you can pick up with an amplified indoor antenna.

I had a rooftop antenna with an amplifier which came down in a storm. I tried a $35 philips mant510 amplified antenna I bought at wal-mart. Signal was very marginal with analog but with an rca dta800 box I am able to pick up everything in my region. I was very surprised and pleased with the results as I expected it to be a complete failure and thought I would need a rooftop 4 or 8 bay bowtie uhf antenna(the signals all come from the same direction). I am in a wooded hilly area.

If you don't have a converter box and haven't signed up for a coupon yet you ought to do so before the opportunity runs out. You should then be able to get a converter box for about $10. Unless you are really out on the extreme fringe of analog reception you will probably be able to pick up quite a lot. If you are within 20-30 miles of the stations your results might surprise you. If you can set up your television and antenna near the side of the house nearest the direction the signal is coming from (near a window for example) your chances are probably even better. If you are some distance from signals chances are most of your signals are coming from one direction so this is often feasible and doesn't require constant fussing with the antenna.

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I use a small indoor antenna as a backup if cable TV is out. The LCD TV can pickup OTA DTV(I get about 25 channels). In fact, the HDTV main network channels actually come in looking better than the feeds from cable(less compression I guess).
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said by Frank:

seriously, in the last 10 years I havent met anyone who doesnt have cable/sattelite or fiber. Everybody I know has cable, even the people I know who dont own a tv (they have cable internet).
Hi Frank, nice to meet you! Now you know someone that doesn't get TV via cable/satellite or fiber

We use an antenna for DTV and also use Netflix and get content from the web (FIOS HSI). We prefer NOT to have all of those channels, and certainly would not pay for them.

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said by Frank:

in the last 10 years I havent met anyone who doesnt have cable/sattelite or fiber.
I think you are going to see renewed interest in OTA TV as a result of digital conversion. OTA quality is typically significantly better then cable since cable often transcode program to fit more channels in given amount of spectrum.

Depending on viewing habits would you prefer spending a few dollars in the TV antenna to watch a few local channels or $25-50 per month to get hundreds?

/tom

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Say What?

Certainly, some people that were expecting the change to come in February will be unexpectedly surprised when the transition finally happens. The delay will probably cause more confusion then if the initial schedule was followed.

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said by jmn1207:

The delay will probably cause more confusion then if the initial schedule was followed.
That is why I was not in favor of the delay.

In many regions stations have already transitioned to permanent DTV allocation. Our NH PBS station and WGBX out of Boston have already shut down analog as have some of the commercial stations.

For anyone having to install an outdoor antenna better to do it in June then February here in snow country.

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Re: Say What?

said by tschmidt:

For anyone having to install an outdoor antenna better to do it in June then February here in snow country.

/tom
But they didn't have to wait until February in the first place. it's not like before Feb 17th there weren't digital signals going out. They could have done that in the fall.

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I still don't understand the delay

I mean, you're still going to have the idiots that *somehow* failed to get the message.

But, let's get serious: it's not like this falls into anything approaching a (hypothetical) change from "911" to "999". If people's TVs go dark, they're gonna call someone that's not got a clue. And, contrary to popular belief, it *is* possible to get through a day without TV (I frequently find that I'll look up from my laptop, my books (etc.) and realize, "Hmm... I never turned the TV on, today".

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Re: I still don't understand the delay

said by nixen:

I mean, you're still going to have the idiots that *somehow* failed to get the message.

But, let's get serious: it's not like this falls into anything approaching a (hypothetical) change from "911" to "999". If people's TVs go dark, they're gonna call someone that's not got a clue. And, contrary to popular belief, it *is* possible to get through a day without TV (I frequently find that I'll look up from my laptop, my books (etc.) and realize, "Hmm... I never turned the TV on, today".

/me shrugs
The sad part is, there are some stations who still aren't ready, unless my local Fox affiliate is the only one. They've had a number of years to prepare and are STILL going to have to utilize a temporary DTV facility and are running broadcasts saying some people will lose their signal entirely until the new facilities are online.
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Re: I still don't understand the delay

WCFT, part of the ABC33/40 duo in Birmingham, isn't ready. Looks like they won't be at full power until December, and their temporary DTV signal on channel 5 is so weak it can't even be received in Tuscaloosa, just a few miles from the tower.

Of course, this is also the station that broadcasts most non-network programming in 4:3 and goes 4:3 on network programs when they do a local overlay, so it looks like they're way behind the curve on this transition.

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said by ISurfTooMuch:

Of course, this is also the station that broadcasts most non-network programming in 4:3 and goes 4:3 on network programs when they do a local overlay, so it looks like they're way behind the curve on this transition.
Yep, WGHP does that too.

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said by nixen:

I mean, you're still going to have the idiots that *somehow* failed to get the message.

But, let's get serious: it's not like this falls into anything approaching a (hypothetical) change from "911" to "999". If people's TVs go dark, they're gonna call someone that's not got a clue. And, contrary to popular belief, it *is* possible to get through a day without TV (I frequently find that I'll look up from my laptop, my books (etc.) and realize, "Hmm... I never turned the TV on, today".

/me shrugs
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what about white space broadband???

according to wikipedia, google will start transmission of whitespace broadband on the day that there is a changeover to Digital signal...but i doubt it:(((

Full power analog television broadcasts, which operate between the 54 MHz and 806 MHz television frequencies (Channels 2-69), are slated to cease operating by June 12, 2009 per a United States digital switchover mandate. At that time, full power TV stations will be required to switch to digital transmission and operate only between 54-698 MHz. This is also the timetable that the white space coalition has set to begin offering wireless broadband services to consumers.
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DTV & HDTV

I'm curious what, if any, stations are doing DTV but NOT HDTV.

My analog stations weren't the greatest. My digital stations are similar, but once the transition hits a more local transmitter goes live and 2 of my 5 stations should become perfect. 2 others will have "much much stronger signal" according to their own newscast. the 5th is PBS and is already digital only and has a reasonably good signal most of the time.

Some of us still like our FREE tv. I could afford dish, but I don't need to spend MORE time in front of the TV. So screw it. My 3 DVRs make it so I always have a show I like available.
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Re: DTV & HDTV

Local stations here don't produce HD content.

News is SD, though it looks a lot cleaner on DTV (no NTSC compromises)

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I'm curious what, if any, stations are doing DTV but NOT HDTV.
All depends on station. For example in Boston market we have two PBS stations, WGBH does HD and SD (same program different quality). WGBX transmits 4 SD programs. Others station do a mix of HD and SD.

The nice thing about digital TV is it gives broadcaster about 20 Mbps to play with. They chose how to "spend" it.

/tom

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Finally!

I'm so tired of CSI being squeezed into 3/4 frame while they run announcements for the transition *every* episode I record. Probably for every other show as well. Ridiculous!

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Still think delay was useless.

Let's look at data. In mid february when the transition was suppose to take place 5.1 million were un prepared. Now as of May 24th 2.7 are unprepared. So in 14 weeks 53% of those unrpepared in Feb were STILL unprepared at the end of May. If you look even futher most of those that did get prepared did so in the first 4 weeks after the delay. Over the last 2 months roughly 200,000 people have gotten ready every 2 weeks when they do these surveys. So that's 100,000 a week. At that rate if we had to wait for eveyone to get ready it would take until Christmas to get ready. As I said 4 months ago and have been proven right, people will delay making changes until they are forced to. If the delay happened in february 100% would be ready by now. If they needed a delay so people wouldn't have to go on their roofs in February to install an antenna a delay until say April 12th would have been ok. Not this June 12th bullshit.

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Re: Still think delay was useless.

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Let's look at data. In mid February when the transition was suppose to take place 5.1 million were un prepared. Now as of May 24th 2.7 are unprepared. So in 14 weeks 53% of those unprepared in Feb were STILL unprepared at the end of May. If you look even further most of those that did get prepared did so in the first 4 weeks after the delay. Over the last 2 months roughly 200,000 people have gotten ready every 2 weeks when they do these surveys. So that's 100,000 a week. At that rate if we had to wait for everyone to get ready it would take until Christmas to get ready. As I said 4 months ago and have been proven right, people will delay making changes until they are forced to. If the delay happened in February 100% would be ready by now. If they needed a delay so people wouldn't have to go on their roofs in February to install an antenna a delay until say April 12th would have been ok. Not this June 12th bullshit.
Low Power TV stations like (HDTN 34) in Victorville CA that are in the Victorville CA area and those that are transmitted on Translators will still be analog for some time, I know This as I know the owner of HDTN.

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Re: Still think delay was useless.

said by zoom314:

Low Power TV stations like (HDTN 34) in Victorville CA that are in the Victorville CA area and those that are transmitted on Translators will still be analog for some time,
This has been a source of confusion. I helped out when local PBS station WENH switched to digital.

Both NH stations make heavy use of translators to cover north country of NH. Depending on where you live may get digital or analog transmission. Those will be analog for foreseeable future. FCC digital mandate exempts low power stations, including translators.

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Thirty Five Stations

The list of thirty five stations is available at »www.broadcastingcable.com/file/3···ions.pdf . The one station I am surprised to see is WLNY here on Long Island. They shut down their analog signal back in 2005 so that Qualcomm could take over RF channel 55 for their MediaFlo service. WLNY was transitioning to RF channel 47 but perhaps they ran out of money.
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I can't believe it's finally here!

I've been ready for the digital transition since 2001 when I started digitally recording and watching OTA HD content. I am so glad that it's finally going to happen.

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Can't Wait

Our local station is broadcasting digitally at full power until the switch. When it finally gets here I'll be able to watch it in HD...

Hulu is nice but real HD is better.
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Do not get to excited about free TV.

The ATSC format allows Broadcasters to transmit Subscription Programming as well as free programming. Viewers might find themselves offered the choice of some crap reality program for free or a program worth watching for a fee. The transition to DTV was not about a better picture it was about monetizing broadcast television.

Food for thought: Has anyone wondered why the FCC did not require DTV to Analog Converters to have the capability of converting QAM transmissions. In fact DTV to Analog Converters that have QAM capability did not qualify for the transition coupon. Did the Cable Television Industry have their lawmaking lackeys write the law to disqualify converters with QAM capability? If everyone that purchased a DTV Converter could receive QAM transmissions, might some activist lawmaker looking out for the interest of consumers, amend the Cable Reception Act to require programming in the Basic Digital Tier be carried unencrypted. I would think that the Cable Television Industry had the lawmakers that are in their pockets, write the law regarding converter coupons, to support their interests. That way the CATV Industry can continue to charge consumers outrageous fees for digital outlets and unnecessary proprietary converter boxes.

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Don't hurt your arm from patting yourself on the back, Mr. Copps.

Yeah, delaying the DTV transition a couple of months saved the planet. Whatever.

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YAY!

About freaking time!

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TV /SATELLITE WORKER DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT DTV TRANSITION

TV/Satellite store worker did not know about DTV transition until they recently bought TV from yard sale. Take a look at the article below...

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