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Insists meters are working for 'vast majority' of broadband users...
01:41PM Friday Jul 03 2009 by Karl Bode
tags: prices · business · bandwidth · consumers · caps · Cogeco Cable
Canadian cable operator Cogeco was supposed to start billing customers in June after they implemented a new metered billing model. However, as we noted last week, many users found Cogeco's meters didn't accurately reflect usage. Customers have complained that Cogeco's daily usage portal seems broken, and that automatic warning e-mail alerts don't match the portal. Cogeco reached out to us to note that they're working on the problems, while at the same time downplaying the breadth of the issues.

"Cogeco is confident that their high speed customers have an accurate means of gauging their on-line consumption and that their invoicing reflects the consumption displayed on the customer usage measurement tool provided by the company," Cogeco's Marie Carrier tells us. Carrier insists regular performance checks indicate that their tracking system is accurate, and "the vast majority of customers are satisfied with their consumption tracking and rates."

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"However, anomalies can occur in the best of software applications – and we are addressing those mentioned in Broadband Reports," she says. "In those specific instances, customer tracking tools, which are normally scheduled for daily updates, lagged behind actual usage and related email alerts," notes Carrier.

We asked Cogeco what customers should do if an e-mail alert contradicts the company's online usage-tracking portal, and were told that customers should rely on the portal numbers. The user consumption web page is updated once a day not long after midnight, generating an e-mail alert. When asked if Cogeco was planning a consumption meter that notified users in real time, we were told "it is not in our plan for the short term."

The company did confirm that they wouldn't start billing customers until the company has "completed any required fine tuning of the metering and notification tools." "We regret any inconvenience," says Carrier, "and assure our customers that they will not be billed for usage that does not appear on their customer tracking tool." Consumers will certainly be happy to know they won't be billed for services they didn't use. If you're a Cogeco customer feel free to drop us a line and let us know how Cogeco is doing.

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urbanriot

join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON
·Cogeco Cable

The tracking system seems accurate for the month, not day.

As far as I've seen first hand based on my own usage, friends and family members, the tracking system is accurate for the entire month, but it's not accurate for the day. Some users, as well as myself, list 0 usage on the site for successive days and suddenly the following day will have all of those days lumped into it. This can be inconvenient near the end of the month, when a user would like to utilize all of the bandwidth he's paid for but unfortunately, he can't see all of the bandwidth he has available or a user wants to ensure he's not going over his bandwidth and entering an extra billing scenario.
PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD

42.93GB?!

If 43GB is all it takes to be at 73%, then I'd be at the local office with a hammer (hint hint).

In a span of 2 days alone last month, I did nearly that amount...

June 27, 2009 (Incoming: 20381 MB / Outgoing: 5488 MB)
June 28, 2009 (Incoming: 11046 MB / Outgoing: 4533 MB)

Sorry for actually wanting to use my connection...
ssavoy

join:2007-08-16
Shavertown, PA

Re: 42.93GB?!

Can I just ask a question as to what you're actually using 30-some Gigs in 2 days? Just curious.
backness

join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2

Re: 42.93GB?!

none of your business
mr weather
Premium
join:2002-02-27
Mississauga, ON

Re: 42.93GB?!

said by backness See Profile :

none of your business
Nice adverse inference.
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Bitwise

@cgocable.net

Re: 42.93GB?!

said by mr weather See Profile :

said by backness See Profile :

none of your business
Nice adverse inference.
Cute straw man.
backness

join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2
Actualy, It was an argument for privacy.

Perhaps you have forgotten the concept in the post 9/11 everything you do on the net might be kiddie porn so we'll watch anyway just in case world we live in?

digitalfreak

join:2005-12-09
49533

Re: 42.93GB?!

/agreed

DataRiker
Premium
join:2002-05-19
Metairie, LA
clubs:

said by ssavoy See Profile :

Can I just ask a question as to what you're actually using 30-some Gigs in 2 days? Just curious.
What a dumb question.
Bell_Dom

join:2009-02-04

Re: 42.93GB?!

I think he was just trying to prove a point.

james

join:2001-02-26
antarctica

said by DataRiker See Profile :

said by ssavoy See Profile :

Can I just ask a question as to what you're actually using 30-some Gigs in 2 days? Just curious.
What a dumb question.
Yes, very dumb. It was obviously pornography.
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said by Metatron2008 See Profile :

But people who download thousands of movies and games.... Yes, they are as bad as any murderer
PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD


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Re: 42.93GB?!

said by james See Profile :

said by DataRiker See Profile :

said by ssavoy See Profile :

Can I just ask a question as to what you're actually using 30-some Gigs in 2 days? Just curious.
What a dumb question.
Yes, very dumb. It was obviously pornography.
Not that it matters "What" I downloaded as the point is that I should have the ability to use my connection as I see fit to whatever ends I see fit - as long as it stays within the fold of US law of course. I should also have an expectation of privacy for the services which I make usage of.

Edit: Screw the list, post was way to big.
backness

join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2

Re: 42.93GB?!

Are you saying that you live in the information age?

Careful with that around here, some people think this should come at a heavy price! (up to 1500% above cost)

n2jtx

join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
·Optimum Online

Government Oversight

Cogeco needs to have their "meter" brought under the Weights and Measures Act. Then the government can certify that the meters are accurate and comply with all weights and measures rules.
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shoegazer
Premium
join:2009-06-22
Las Vegas, NV

Re: Government Oversight

they are not selling gas..

Time
Premium
join:2003-07-05
·Dish Network
·Cox HSI
·Embarq

Re: Government Oversight

said by shoegazer See Profile :

they are not selling gas..
They have a responsibility to be accurate, though.
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openbox9

join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA

Re: Government Oversight

And they've said they're working on improving the system

Rogue Wolf
Ate The Last Of The Pumpkin Pie

join:2003-08-12
Troy, NY
·RoadRunner Cable

Re: Government Oversight

And we just take their word for it? They have an interest in it being inaccurate (increased revenues from overages, decreased network usage by paying customers afraid of unclear caps). If at any point the accurate measurement of a commodity is crucial for determining payment, there should be official oversight of that measurement.
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Hexadecimal humor really turns me 0FF.
openbox9

join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA

Re: Government Oversight

So you want government involvement, and the taxes that go along with it? Personally, I'd take their word for it until proven otherwise.
nasadude

join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD

Re: Government Oversight

so you trust businesses and don't have any problem getting ripped off when they turn out not to be trustworthy?

we've all seen lately how well self regulation works out.
openbox9

join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA

Re: Government Oversight

Considering I don't believe that I'm getting ripped off by any of the companies that I'm doing business with, I'm comfortable with my level of trust. If the situation changes, I will reevaluate.

EdG

@eastlink.ca

Re: Government Oversight

said by openbox9 See Profile :

Considering I don't believe that I'm getting ripped off by any of the companies that I'm doing business with, I'm comfortable with my level of trust. If the situation changes, I will reevaluate.
Such naivety!

You likely wouldn't have seen WW2 coming then either, from inside Germany given your level of civic responsibility.

The recession is directly tied to too many people having YOUR attitude.
openbox9

join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast

Re: Government Oversight

My level of civic responsibility? I'm very responsible for my actions and do my due diligence with those that I interact with. Thanks for the judgment though

And the recession is tied to many things, least of which is my attitude.

urbanriot

join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON
·Cogeco Cable

... and we've also seen how government regulation works out as well.

It seems as though you have a clear bias against 'big business' and automatically assume they're out to rip people off. So far Cogeco hasn't charged anyone yet and haven't proved that they're not trustworthy.
sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH

Re: Government Oversight

You mean government regulation of...

water, electricity, local landlines, highways, etc.?

There's no such thing as a "bias" against big business that makes record profits in difficult economic times, while complaining about the "burden" of their consumers' usage.

It has been regularly documented on various websites how shady and truly evil these cable ISPs and the telcos can be by gouging customers and jacking up prices where there is no or limited competition. Whether it's Time Warner's illicit and unwanted "reeducation" programs to turn its users against each other and help it pass its metered billing program, or Comcast's throttling of certain types of internet usage, or Fairpoint's desire to impose a 1993 level 5 GB cap on their DSL customers, 'big business' demonstrates over and over again how truly greedy these unregulated oligopolies are.

It's hardly a surprise Canada has slipped so far behind the rest of the world in broadband line quality. Their conservative government has little to no interest in caring for the good of the consumer over the special interests of big business.

I'd like to see a law passed in Canada that forces ISPs to reveal their internal data on the actual cost of internet bandwidth to them. Cogeco having to justify their metered billing to Canada's equivalent of the US's FTC would be much better for all Canadians.
openbox9

join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast

Re: Government Oversight

said by sonicmerlin See Profile :

Whether it's Time Warner's illicit and unwanted "reeducation" programs to turn its users against each other and help it pass its metered billing program, or Comcast's throttling of certain types of internet usage, or Fairpoint's desire to impose a 1993 level 5 GB cap on their DSL customers, 'big business' demonstrates over and over again how truly greedy these unregulated oligopolies are.
And amazingly without the iron first of the government, these "Evil Corporations" tempered their desires and bent to the will of the consumer. Crazy how things can work in a marketplace if enough consumers voice their wants and desires and are willing to back them up with their wallet if need be.
said by sonicmerlin See Profile :

I'd like to see a law passed in Canada that forces ISPs to reveal their internal data on the actual cost of internet bandwidth to them.
What possible purpose would that information fill besides inflaming individuals around sites like this. There are many other costs of serving customers than an ISP's bandwidth costs.

digitalfreak

join:2005-12-09
49533

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Re: Government Oversight

We all saw what happened in a world of loosely regulated banking. Greed rules.
sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH

Oh PLEASE. Time Warner only tempered their desires when Congress in the form of Rep. Eric Massa threatened to get involved. Besides, you can't expect the public to get up in arms about every little unethical decision or money grab that every monopolistic corporation makes. One of the jobs of the government and the FCC is to protect the people, who are too busy or concerned with their own lives to worry about every little management detail at the national level. This protection includes protecting from corporate greed and business interests, which are very often at odds with the public good.
openbox9

join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast

Re: Government Oversight

And Congress got involved why? Because constituents spoke up. The system worked. No, I don't expect the public to get up in arms about every little alleged unethical decision or money grab. Only a select minority is affected, cares about, or even understands some of the questionable business dealings. I'm perfectly fine with the US not becoming a Nanny state. If people aren't willing to attempt to care for their interests and well being, they shouldn't have an expectation that the government will either.

urbanriot

join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON
"shady" "truly evil" "gouging" "jacking" "illicit" "greedy" oh come on, give me a break... This is a $69/month service, not some sinister corporation out to rule the world.
shoegazer
Premium
join:2009-06-22
Las Vegas, NV
my mom left canada because of the quean,and the cold thats why i was born in vegas,i guess whats born here stays here..
PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD

said by urbanriot See Profile :

... and we've also seen how government regulation works out as well.

It seems as though you have a clear bias against 'big business' and automatically assume they're out to rip people off. So far Cogeco hasn't charged anyone yet and haven't proved that they're not trustworthy.
Frankly, it's not like they give us reason to believe otherwise; and that's not bias, that's the status quo.

james

join:2001-02-26
antarctica

said by shoegazer See Profile :

they are not selling gas..
neither are 99% of the meters under said act.

See 9 replies to this post
chronoss2009

join:2008-09-23
·TekSavvy Solutions..

said by shoegazer See Profile :

they are not selling gas..
air is a gas and i gather that the meter has a lot a hot ari in its billing
shoegazer
Premium
join:2009-06-22
Las Vegas, NV

Re: Government Oversight

how much ari have you had today. i am up to 6..
elwoodblues
Elwood Blues

join:2006-08-30
Toronto, ON

said by n2jtx See Profile :

Cogeco needs to have their "meter" brought under the Weights and Measures Act. Then the government can certify that the meters are accurate and comply with all weights and measures rules.
Good luck with that. I have been all over Weights and Measures Canada, they won't tough it with a 10ft pole.

They keep referring me to the CRTC, which of course doesn't and won't regulate the ISP's
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Bitwise

@cgocable.net

Spin it, girl

quote:
"Cogeco is confident that their high speed customers have an accurate means of gauging their on-line consumption and that their invoicing reflects the consumption displayed on the customer usage measurement tool provided by the company," Cogeco's Marie Carrier tells us.

No you're not and no you don't. You just reached out to tell us you're incompetent...but looking into it.

quote:
Carrier insists regular performance checks indicate that their tracking system is accurate, and "the vast majority of customers are satisfied with their consumption tracking and rates."

Detail the performance checks. I don't believe you. As for the vast majority of customers, they're not checking online. You'll hear from them when they look at their bills (oh, that's right, you're not metered billing this month because your system works and performs just peachy).

quote:
"However, anomalies can occur in the best of software applications – and we are addressing those mentioned in Broadband Reports," she says.

They're called bugs. They're caused by human error. I highly doubt your vendor is at fault. That leaves broken integration (scripting) and web pages. Web pages littered with javascript and flash .

quote:
"In those specific instances, customer tracking tools, which are normally scheduled for daily updates, lagged behind actual usage and related email alerts," notes Carrier.

quote:
When asked if Cogeco was planning a consumption meter that notified users in real time, we were told "it is not in our plan for the short term."

You were warned about this 2 months ago. Cogeco has breached the implied covenant and ignored technical basics:
»Re: cogeco's new monitor on the fritz?
»Re: cogeco's new monitor on the fritz?

Many others have requested and/or demanded increased updates because they see the current system as the tool for fraud that it is.
MaynardKrebs
Premium
join:2009-06-17

Re: Spin it, girl

said by Bitwise :



quote:
Carrier insists regular performance checks indicate that their tracking system is accurate, and "the vast majority of customers are satisfied with their consumption tracking and rates."

I guess they went door-to-door to over 70% (to me that's the minimum a 'vast majority' would be) of their customer base (about 1,000,000), did a detailed survey, and got "two thumbs up" from all of them. I'd like to see all the individual survey forms.

Bitwise

@cgocable.net

Re: Spin it, girl

Hmmm, my pet conspiracy theory is that they're referring to their customers in Portugal who receive unlimited transfer, comparable bandwidth, and lower prices.

We get an increase to the base price and UBB to cover their loses on that investment.
backness

join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2

If I were a customer...

I'd complain the the Better Business Bureau. I mean are things that messed up at Cogeco that they did not test this sytem before implementation? Were all the executives to busy replacing their underpants after getting too excited about the prospect of millions in overage charges and the impact on the bonuses, to actually test this system before the roll out?
sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH

Re: If I were a customer...

I'd complain to the government. Are things that messed up at Cogeco that they wish to charge their customers for bandwidth that has become cheaper and cheaper for them over the years?

Bitwise

@cgocable.net

Re: If I were a customer...

If you've got a week to read through it:

»Usage Billing
ross

join:2000-08-16

Metered billing, and low caps are...

THEFT! That is all.

Yllzarith
Tech Support minion

join:2002-05-27
Burlington, ON
·Cogeco Cable

Email in real-time

The tool actually does send the email warnings at (or very close to) real-time - not just around midnight if you've reached the thresholds before then. For example, when I hit my 85% & 100% thresholds in May I received the emails pretty much spot on when I would have hit those numbers (that was 2:04am for 85% and 7:50am the next day for 100%).

bg79

@cgocable.net

Daily portal usage doesn't seem broken here.

I don't believe the amount of people complaining is an accurate reflection of a serious problem as my bandwidth usage for last month is the same as my router's bandwidth meter within a couple megabytes. I do see days that say 0 and then huge amounts of usage the following day but it all seems to come out in the wash at the end of the month. Those concerned should also run their own bandwidth monitors for comparison or if they require more realtime values.

WoodyBCFC

join:2005-10-17
Stevensville, ON


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Re: Daily portal usage doesn't seem broken here.

said by bg79 :

I don't believe the amount of people complaining is an accurate reflection of a serious problem as my bandwidth usage for last month is the same as my router's bandwidth meter within a couple megabytes. I do see days that say 0 and then huge amounts of usage the following day but it all seems to come out in the wash at the end of the month. Those concerned should also run their own bandwidth monitors for comparison or if they require more realtime values.
It doesn't all "come out in the wash" take for example

»/r0/download/1···age6.jpg

When the system breaks and sends zero's for 4 days at the end of one month(May) and then off loads that usage to the next month(June) which just so happens to be the first month of supposed excessive bandwidth usage you don't find that a little underhanded?

Further, since voicing my concerns to Cogeco my daily usage has return to normal amounts. Those of us who are tech savvy to a point can understand this and voice a complaint but how about all those mom and pops who can be taken advantage of. I don't want to make it sound like Cogeco is doing anything sinister but in today’s world with corporate monsters like Jeffrey Skilling and Bernie Maddof to name just a few you can't help but think what could Louis Audet and Pierre Gagné be up to. Stock was at a three year low at the start of June, they are feeling the pressure as most company are, desperate times - desperate measures.


What to do

@cgocable.net

Consumer Protection Act

Surely, all this merits a compliaint under the Consumer Protection Act?
Hamilton1

join:2007-10-28
Hamilton, ON


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I was out 5Gb's

Cogeco's usage meter was 5Gb's more than that of my DuMeter's readings for the month of June. I phoned in and logged a complaint, and a ticket was opened, but to this day I still haven't heard word one from Cogeco as to why there is a difference.

In the end I know I'm not going to win and I also know I'm not getting my 5Gb's worth of service back, oh and when it comes right down to it there is no one you can call that's going to help with this issue.

Cogeco has the monopoly and they know it, so unless you have a better alternative to go to then they get to treat you any way they see fit. I'm just hoping that someday soon there will be someone else I can get my internet and cable from that doesn't screw over there customers.
Mokmo

join:2005-02-03
Saint-Georges, QC

meh...

The meter has never worked in the last 3-4 years from my parents' home. I doubt they got it working again...
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