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Confirmed: Pirate Bay to Charge Users
New owner plans to charge monthly fee...
by Karl Bode Friday 17-Jul-2009 tags: Fileswapping · business · alternatives · content · consumers
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When the Pirate Bay announced late last month that the popular BitTorrent portal would be purchased, the new owners raised eyebrows by announcing they'd like to "introduce models which entail that content providers and copyright owners get paid for content that is downloaded via the site." That's well, uh -- interesting for a website that has spent the last few years laughing at legal threats with their Swedish middle finger securely raised to the entire content industry and their lawyers.

This week new owner Wayne Rosso (of Grokster fame) tells CNET his plans for the Pirate Bay involve customers paying the website a small fee in order to trade content, with the Pirate Bay striking distribution deals with both the entertainment industry and individual ISPs.

Rosso said The Pirate Bay will offer users all the music they can download for a small monthly fee. Eventually, users can whittle that fee down to nothing by tying their computers to The Pirate Bay's "cloud" network. For example, a person may dedicate a gig of hardware space to the network and the fee may go from $9 to $5. (Rosso declined to discuss pricing yet so the numbers are made up just for the example).

Rosso hopes to capitalize on the site's large fan base, telling CNET he wants to "harness all that computing power and sell it, becoming a competitor of Akamai." The problem of course is that those fans, most of whom inhabit an anti-establishment mindset, will simply flock to the slew of Pirate Bay copies that will offer the same content for free. Meanwhile, the music industry is trying to seize the money paid to acquire the website.

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openupshop

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There Goes My Free Movies

Damn this suuuuucks!
iansltx

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Re: There Goes My Free Movies

Heard of Mininova? BTJunkie? Demonoid?

neonhomer
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Re: There Goes My Free Movies

Demonoid is my personal favorite.... Mininova is good too..

Ride the Pirate Bay wave until it flattens out, and then go to another beach...
iansltx

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Re: There Goes My Free Movies

Heh. There are also newsgroups and private trackers. TVTorrents FTW.

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said by neonhomer:

Ride the Pirate Bay wave until it flattens out, and then go to another beach...
'xactly.

odment
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If anyone has a ivvite code for demonoid code the send it to me.. Thanks

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Re: There Goes My Free Movies

editttttttttt

jupiter

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You need to sign up for Demonoid and I don't think they are accepting new users???

cousintim

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Demonoid has been closed to new registrations for awhile. Any tips on how to get an invitation? Thanks.
iansltx

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Re: There Goes My Free Movies

Don't abuse the invite I just gave you.

Jon Geb
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Re: There Goes My Free Movies

Any more of those non-abused invites?
iansltx

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Re: There Goes My Free Movies

Possibly...

neonhomer
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Re: There Goes My Free Movies

Uh oh.... here we go.... the "I want a Demonoid invite too" thread... LOL...

I've been a Demonoid user since 2006... wow, has it been that long?

Newsgroups are good too, if you can weed out the bullcrap that people post trying to thwart other users...
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Re: There Goes My Free Movies

Yep. I get a bit of dialup from »toast.net. $5 a month for ten hours of dialup...and 5GB of Giganews. Heck, I could make it $3 per month if I paid yearly

MrMoody
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said by neonhomer:

Uh oh.... here we go.... the "I want a Demonoid invite too" thread... LOL...

I've been a Demonoid user since 2006... wow, has it been that long?
Now that PB is done, Demonoid will probably be the next target.
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r81984
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Re: There Goes My Free Movies

There are like 25 sites that I know of, why would demonoid be next?
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Re: There Goes My Free Movies

Are any of them larger/more famous? I don't know of any, not that run trackers, but I confess ignorance.
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said by r81984:

There are like 25 sites that I know of, why would demonoid be next?
demonoid used to be run in Canada, got closed to Canadian users, then went offline for a while. They relocated the servers to a different country, not sure which one, but probably not Canada, Sweden, or the US, so hopefully its ok.

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Re: There Goes My Free Movies

said by zod5000:

said by r81984:

There are like 25 sites that I know of, why would demonoid be next?
demonoid used to be run in Canada, got closed to Canadian users, then went offline for a while. They relocated the servers to a different country, not sure which one, but probably not Canada, Sweden, or the US, so hopefully its ok.
there are bigger fish to go after than demonoid
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Re: There Goes My Free Movies

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Chtucson

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Anyway i can get an invite to Demonoid thanks

DJMASACRE

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said by cousintim:

Demonoid has been closed to new registrations for awhile. Any tips on how to get an invitation? Thanks.
just keep checking the site once in awhile. they open registrations sometimes... for a limited time, ususally during holidays.

same thing goes for private trackers so keep them all bookmarked and check one in awhile.

Phil
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No honor in thiefdom apparently.

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It was bound to happen....eventually.

If anyone thought that TPB would stay the same after it's founders abandoned it to it's fate is at best naive and at worst....dumb.

With the *.AA's now wanting "their cut" from the sale, and the Pirate Bay former founders now backpedaling and saying that they actually have not been involved with the business since 2006, it was only a matter of time before something like this happened...

Can't wait to see the mass exodus from there once word of this spreads through the 'net..

They should rename the site SS Baytanic because now, with it becoming a "pay to play" site it's gonna sink faster then that famous ship did when it hit the iceberg....
Lazlow

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Re: It was bound to happen....eventually.

I would not call it backpedaling. After the first round (2006) the Pirate Bay guys transferred ownership out of their hands. The recent lawsuit was against the operators and not the owners. So unless they want to go back to court against the owners, they are just SOL.

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So the real question here is will this kind of legit system work and the logical answer to that is no..

Music and movies were meant to be shared but as time has passed they now want all this system of control and charge outrageous prices and a lot of people will simply not pay it.
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said by Logan 5:

If anyone thought that TPB would stay the same after it's founders abandoned it to it's fate is at best naive and at worst....dumb.
...
Can't wait to see the mass exodus from there once word of this spreads through the 'net..

They should rename the site SS Baytanic because now, with it becoming a "pay to play" site it's gonna sink faster then that famous ship did when it hit the iceberg....
Yep, they might as well just pull the plug because it will be the same effect.
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Re: It was bound to happen....eventually.

If people just did not abuse the oppurtunity of sharing the files and making pirated copies, this would not have happened.
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said by Logan 5:

If anyone thought that TPB would stay the same after it's founders abandoned it to it's fate is at best naive and at worst....dumb.
As I've read elsewhere on the internet. TPB needed to die. Its better off dieing gracefully, than one day 30 millions TPB users logging on and seeing "504 Gateway Timeout" or "Network Timeout" because a SWAT team showed up at the datacenter again, or Port 80's CEO was threatened with jail time if he doesn't cut the link.

Logan 5
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Interesting reading on TPB's probable future:

»techdirt.com/articles/20090716/1···72.shtml

Simple

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said by Logan 5:

If anyone thought that TPB would stay the same after it's founders abandoned it to it's fate is at best naive and at worst....dumb.

With the *.AA's now wanting "their cut" from the sale, did when it hit the iceberg....
Whats the dot in "*.AA" for?

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Re: It was bound to happen....eventually.

said by Simple :

Whats the dot in "*.AA" for?
Lol... The "." is part of a wildcard search term going back to the earliest days of MS-DOS and UNIX... *.* is also used in database programming languages as an argument in a string.

If you go to your Start Menu -> Search (If XP) or Start -> Search Box (if you use Vista or Win7) and type in the following: *.jpeg
then press Enter, you will get a search result finding every jpeg picture currently on your Hard Drive.

You can use it many different ways, from *.extension mame (to search for all files with a given file extension) to frodo*.* (to search for all files that start with frodo or whatever you've named them)..

In this case it's a generic 'slang' term use to lump all the industries together that are actively going after P2P users...

The Recording Industry Association of America = RIAA
The Motion Picture Association of America = MPAA

So *.AA's refers to both organizations....less to type.

Apologies if this confused you....
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said by Logan 5:

They should rename the site SS Baytanic because now, with it becoming a "pay to play" site it's gonna sink faster then that famous ship did when it hit the iceberg....
Napster 2.0 isn't that bad off.

similar topic: »www.nytimes.com/2009/07/20/techn···chnology
Pirate Bay 2.0 will be Napster 2.0 + movies

AnonDOG

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Let me see if I understand this. The guys that set up pirate bay tracked anything, legal or illegal and ensured (facilitated) access to that content, legal or illegal. Now those guys are hightailing it for the woods because some gang of interantional lawyers are kicking their asses and trying to hold them responsible for "facilitating access to that content, legal or illegal".

Now this is a thing which apparently everyone agrees that they did, by that I mean "facilitating access to copyrighted material in violation of copyright".

I guess the question is, why would anyone actually believe that these twits at Pirate Bay would do anything other than run like hell when the lawyers arrived? They know what they did, and they know that they broke laws. Therefore they run.

I suppose that will be completely lost on everyone but hell, I don't care one way or the other.

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Google?

I guess I'll start using Google more for torrents.

Funny thing, I can find links on Google for TPB that I can't find on TPB directly.

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Usenet

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Matt
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Interesting

This will be interesting for a couple of reasons.

I think this will prove that the vast majority of the thieves will simply move to other free trackers and even cheap content won't change their behavior. (As if there weren't a myriad of ways to obtain cheap content now anyway.)

I will say, I like this idea though. Harnessing end-user computing power, bandwidth, and storage space is something I've thought would be a good idea for a long time. I think it will be interesting to see how effective this idea is for the users who do stick around. I hope the content producers can reach an agreement with TPB, but my guess is someone else without TPB's history will take this idea and make it successful. I don't think the content producers will work with TPB on principle ... and I can't say I blame them.

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caco
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Global Gaming Factory just threw money down the drain.

The must have no clue who the user base of Pirate bay was.
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Watch their userbase plummet to zero

If they really expect users to now pay for what they used to get for free, they've got another thing coming.

Even if users agree to some kind of collective licensing agreement, the copyright holders likely will not, or demand that everything be locked down with DRM.

Either way, PayBay will be a failure.
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Re: Watch their userbase plummet to zero

Wait, didn't they just learn that music DRM was bad?

Then again, I had to torrent a recent music purchase because the MP3 doesnloads didn't work correctly (can only download once) and I had to call Napster if I wanted to reset things. Seriously, who calls tech support anymore for such things? IM or e-mail, fine. Calling...uh, no.

Heck, the BitTorrent download of the album in question was just as fast as getting the files from Napster.

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said by Doctor Four:

If they really expect users to now pay for what they used to get for free, they've got another thing coming.
The thing about paying is the paper trail you leave behind.
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Interesting reading on the future of TPB....

»techdirt.com/articles/20090716/1···72.shtml

SLD
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Kinda...

Kinda defeats the purpose of leaching, doesn't it?!?
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A start though...given thought

Actually, for a nominal monthly fee (say substantially less then the average cable bill) I'd say this could have legs provided the transfer rates could be maintained. I'd buy into something like that, the problem being that the *AA's will want too much money to make this possible. Like a pool full of leaches they'll bleed the idea dry and destroy the idea before it can take off.

The reason a lot of people, okay, well from my point of view, use P2P for illegal downloads is that they really don't see what they are dl'ing has that much value. However, if they can get the DL for a price that IS reasonable they may actually spend the money on it. Look at the IPOD phenom, a dollar a song, big whoop...and they are making millions every day.

Use the cable TV theory, pay a monthly fee (REASONABLE, cheaper then cable, much cheaper then cable) make the movies/TV Shows available direct from the DVD at the same quality, utilize all your users machines, and voila, suddenly you've adapted to the new technology, and viola, you are suddenly capable of making a profit (where there was losses)with very little overhead. Piracy will NEVER go away, but now you've found a way to use a technology that originated for piracy (don't start the argument, it's why I use it, as well as many others) and make a couple of bucks from it.

The problem, again, the studio's will do everything they can to bleed too much money out of it to allow it be viable.

Ian
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:(

Now where will I download my linux distros?
iansltx

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Re: :(

The Linux distro sites, which don't track via TPB anyway

Or MiniNova.
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Re: :(

said by iansltx:

The Linux distro sites, which don't track via TPB anyway

Or MiniNova.
But the sites don't have the distros I want.

I guess there's always private trackers...

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Aaaaaargh!

You sank my Pirate Ship! Shiver me timbers!

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glad

glad I never donated any money for a sellout!

no one special

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Re: glad

they did not sell out, they sold for legal reasons. they are the good guys.

they will be missed but life goes on, ill just go down the list of my 70 to 75 or so torrent bookmarks.

who knows maybe they will respawn again as some other site.

mod_wastrel
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We have met the enemy...

and he is us.

I do not think the new guy quite understands the meaning of the word "pirate"... har-r-r-r.

And the new name of The Pirate Bay will be: [fill in the blank]

ctceo
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Plenty of alternatives

There are plenty of alternatives, and like a terrorist organization new cells (trackers) will grow from the severed stumps.

Good Luck Killing this Hydra.

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Management

I don't think the new owners have a full grasp of their userbase...

C_
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Re: Management

said by Pope:

I don't think the new owners have a full grasp of their userbase...
new owners are bigger morons then pirate bay users, the content owners would never deal with their scumbag asses
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What?

I thought maybe... just maybe... the PB owners might get what they were paid for... but I guess not.

I thought that they would keep the whole BitTorrent / Free Content type of site going and add in and push for legit content. No, first off they want to make it a content publishing network where users who can pay for and have access to large swaths of drive space and bandwidth can use the network free provided the network can upload anything it wanted onto you harddrive and use it for others to download from. I was really confused by this because:

A. Needs completely new software (even if it's based off the current torrent-tracker setup). I highly doubt open-sources would even touch this idea.

B. How does a site which was supposed to stay relatively the same turn into what ammounts to a CDN???

Then this juicy bit comes out late:
Rosso hopes to capitalize on the site's large fan base, telling CNET he wants to "harness all that computing power and sell it, becoming a competitor of Akamai."
That suddenly explained their plans: They want to compete with the largest content deliver networks in the world... but they don't actually want to build a content delivery network (eg. using their own equipment).

This whole idea will surely fail as a tracker solution. This whole idea will surely fail as an ad-hoc "for-pay" CDN. This whole idea will fail. Period.

Gotta hand it to them, this will be one of the dumbest wastes of money I have ever heard of and they won't even be spending near as much as actual CDNs have.

I gotta say it: Your FAIL boat has arrived. Actually, it sunk before it even got to port.
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Opera Unite...

Click for full size
...is sounding better and better all the time.

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Re: Opera Unite...

said by MarkAW:

...is sounding better and better all the time.
You Betcha!
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I'm dyslexic, so that's Opera Untie.

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Does Google index that list?

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Re: Opera Unite...

I know it doesn't index my list, not sure of others.
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Next chapter in the copyright war

First there was Napster, and it was GOOD!
Then there was The Pirate Bay and it BLEW THE DOORS OFF both Napster and the pay per license copyright racket.

Now both free for all's are coming to an end.. but the game isn't over.. thousands of microclones and TPB wannabes are still out there keeping the cause alive. Will that stop prerelase of software, music, games, first run movies, etc? NO, just another day in the lives of the internet community. In the short run, things may become harder to find for the non-tech savvy, but all in all, the pendulum always swings back-- TPB trying to charge just makes it swing back faster, IMO.

BTW, there will not be a broadband war... monopoly/duopoly killed that idea, possibly for good.
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For americans anyway

The music industry also now wants to get a cut of your yearly income for the music they think you should have bought. And they think that amount should increase each year.

They also want a cut of the pirate bay sale... even though no money is involved.

They still have a tax on all cds/cassettes for the POSSIBLE POTENTIAL of them being used to copy their media... LEGALLY.
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Re: For americans anyway

Coming to an income tax form near you.

jig

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hmm


its an interesting test. will anyone be willing the pay for whatever they continue to offer.... will seeders still go there? will seeders get free membership? how will they pay music, tv, movie, AND software?

hell, there are enough stupid people in the world that will sign up. they'll take in enough to pay off the sale price and then they can basically disappear. you know its held by some LLC or limited partnership somewhere...
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