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RE: Pirate Bay foundering under heavy fire

The Pirate Bay seems to be on a losing streak lately. The RIAA, MPAA, & all those other country copyright groups are ganging up on them. When you threaten the money, those with it will get even.
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said by FFH:

The Pirate Bay seems to be on a losing streak lately. The RIAA, MPAA, & all those other country copyright groups are ganging up on them. When you threaten the money, those with it will get even.
You can get anything with money. Even LAWS.

edit: politicians too
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Good/Evil defined for us
said by hopeflicker:

You can get anything with money. Even LAWS.
And that's really what this is all about.

Are there any pro-business voices here
that doubt that it's industry lawyers
that framed the copyright laws
from 1976 forward?

It's implied that we're ethically bound to obey our country's laws; so our laws define our ethics.

I don't believe that our founding fathers intended to have Corporate Lawyers dictating what Right and Wrong would be for American Citizens. It's also an issue because it places corporations equal to God in influencing our ethos.

Is this a path we would have chosen for ourselves 200 years ago?

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Re: RE: Pirate Bay foundering under heavy fire

Not to mention how draconian things have gotten with the N.E.T. Act, the D.M.C.A., and the recent series of harshing out/upgrading to the maxx the punishments, sentences, fines and jail time for said laws.

You can be a crooked CEO and make millions through cooked books and insider trading and face FAR less penalties then someone who leaves their download directory open to sharing on P2P.
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Re: RE: Pirate Bay foundering under heavy fire

said by KrK:

Not to mention how draconian things have gotten with the N.E.T. Act, the D.M.C.A., and the recent series of harshing out/upgrading to the maxx the punishments, sentences, fines and jail time for said laws.

You can be a crooked CEO and make millions through cooked books and insider trading and face FAR less penalties then someone who leaves their download directory open to sharing on P2P.
QFT!
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said by Noah Vail:

said by hopeflicker:

You can get anything with money. Even LAWS.
And that's really what this is all about.

Are there any pro-business voices here
that doubt that it's industry lawyers
that framed the copyright laws
from 1976 forward?

It's implied that we're ethically bound to obey our country's laws; so our laws define our ethics.

I don't believe that our founding fathers intended to have Corporate Lawyers dictating what Right and Wrong would be for American Citizens. It's also an issue because it places corporations equal to God in influencing our ethos.

Is this a path we would have chosen for ourselves 200 years ago?

NV
lots of the corporations tend to push for law extensions when it comes to copyright when one of their big items is up for public domain in a few years.(yes im mainly looking at a certain rodent with a park in florida....)
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said by Kearnstd:

lots of the corporations tend to push for law extensions when it comes to copyright when one of their big items is up for public domain in a few years.
I agree. The original purpose of copyright was to create a universal, social "contract" to limit the transfer of property without requiring the property owner to enter into individual contracts with every buyer. In return for facilitating this market for intellectual property owners society would become the eventual owner of the property through Public Domain.

This implies that society would receive some kind of benefit. But, today things like software won't enter the Public Domain for 100 years. Windows 3.1 won't enter PD until something like the year 2090. Nobody would benefit from Windows 3.1 today. What will be the purpose of Public Domain in 80 years?

I can agree with pirates who disobey copyright laws as a form of civil disobedience to change the laws. I just don't think pirates are doing that. They just want free stuff. They're doing nothing more than the corporate lawyers.

Mark
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well piracy is always about getting something for free.

as for copyright law, a big issue is that it was never intended for copyrights to be owned by corporations. the original idea of copyright was to protect authors and composers. conglomerates should never have been allowed to own them.
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said by Kearnstd:

as for copyright law, a big issue is that it was never intended for copyrights to be owned by corporations. the original idea of copyright was to protect authors and composers. conglomerates should never have been allowed to own them.
That may have had something to do with the 14th Amendment. A corporation is a fictional, yet legal "person." Created by legislative fiat (state legislatures) to serve as the fall guy, incurring all liability for officers (and investors) who would otherwise be personally responsible for the debts a business incurs.

I've read that some court decisions extended the 14th Amendment to corporate entities, giving them even greater status as "people."

I'm not sure the founders would disagree that a business entity could be a person in terms of who holds the "limited monopoly" they intended to create. But, they probably didn't foresee the proliferation of such "people" and the political influence these "people" would wield. Not at a time when the vast majority of people were self-sufficient citizen farmers.

Mark

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One site down, only 2999 to go, not to mention a new one every other day or so.
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and then those with the money encrust things with DRM and then buy laws that make it rumored to be illegal to crack the DRM even for the fully legal under copyright law fair use copies.
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Harvard Law guru loses big to RIAA in court

After a brief deliberation, a federal jury has ruled that PhD student Joel Tenenbaum willfully infringed on the record labels' copyrights, awarding them $675,000 in damages, $22,500 for each of the 30 songs in question. Ars reports with reaction from Tenenbaum and his attorney, Harvard Law professor Charles Nesson.

When asked about the size verdict, Tenenbaum's attorney and Harvard Law School professor Charles Nesson told Ars that "it's a bankrupting award." He also felt things might have been different had they been allowed to argue Fair Use. "We were not allowed to speak to fairness," he told Ars. "I thought we had pretty damn good arguments on Fair Use."

The RIAA was pleased with the verdict. "We are grateful for the jury’s service and their recognition of the impact of illegal downloading on the music community," the RIAA said in a statement. "We appreciate that Mr. Tenenbaum finally acknowledged that artists and music companies deserve to be paid for their work. From the beginning that’s what this case has been about. We only wish he had done so sooner rather than lie about his illegal behavior."

Judge Gertner previously announced that she will hold a post-trial proceeding to determine whether the size of the award violates the US Constitution’s guarantee of due process of the law. While no federal court has ever invalidated an award of copyright statutory damages as constitutionally excessive, the record labels’ litigation campaign has spurred arguments that the Supreme Court cases imposing limits on punitive damages should be extended to statutory damages, which may contain a punitive element.
»arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news···song.ars
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Re: Harvard Law guru loses big to RIAA in court

I wonder how much Judge Gertner was paid under the table to prevent Joel Tenenbaum and his Lawers from getting a fair trial by ruling that they were not allowed to present their case about "Fair Use".

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Re: Harvard Law guru loses big to RIAA in court

said by RARPSL:

I wonder how much Judge Gertner was paid under the table to prevent Joel Tenenbaum and his Lawers from getting a fair trial by ruling that they were not allowed to present their case about "Fair Use".
If you read the article he pleaded guilty to illegally downloading music. The Judge was only wanting a $.99 per song. Fair use doesn't apply to stolen music. It for what you legally buy.
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said by RARPSL:

I wonder how much Judge Gertner was paid under the table to prevent Joel Tenenbaum and his Lawers from getting a fair trial by ruling that they were not allowed to present their case about "Fair Use".
Considering this guy lied in his deposition blaming his sister and friends, he's lucky he's not facing perjury charges. You know, jail as well. Personally, I think little Mr. smarty-pants with his 10 lawyers should be prosecuted for perjury. When you lie in a deposition, that is perjury, plain and simple.
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i still think copyright cases involving P2P should be treated strictly at retail value. if the record goons want to call it theft instead of its proper legal name of copyright infringement then people should only be liable for the value of what is "stolen", in this case music which is worth on average 99 cents per track. if someone uploads 1000 tracks then they should only be liable for around a grand.
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Re: Harvard Law guru loses big to RIAA in court

said by Kearnstd:

i still think copyright cases involving P2P should be treated strictly at retail value. if the record goons want to call it theft instead of its proper legal name of copyright infringement then people should only be liable for the value of what is "stolen", in this case music which is worth on average 99 cents per track. if someone uploads 1000 tracks then they should only be liable for around a grand.
That would not stop people from downloading. You may or may not get caught. For $.99 they would take their chances but at $20000 a song they might not illegally download music.
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said by Kearnstd:

i still think copyright cases involving P2P should be treated strictly at retail value. if the record goons want to call it theft instead of its proper legal name of copyright infringement then people should only be liable for the value of what is "stolen", in this case music which is worth on average 99 cents per track. if someone uploads 1000 tracks then they should only be liable for around a grand.
As much as I disagree with RIAA tactics. They're not sueing people for download. They're suing people for uploading. Thats why they primarily target p2p services, kazaa, bittorrent etc... Thats the problem with p2p, because you're uploading you're illegal involved indistributing a copyright works, which in the law, is way more heinous that just downloading it.

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FCC swears in new FCC commissioner

»www.broadcastingcable.com/articl···oner.php
As expected, Republican nominee Meredith Attwell Baker was sworn in Friday as the newest FCC commissioner. The time was 2:20 p.m., with FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski doing the honors in his office, according to the FCC.

That leaves only South Carolina Public Utility Commissioner Mignon Clyburn. The FCC confirmed an earlier B&C report that she would be sworn in Monday in South Carolina.
That gets the FCC to 4 commissioners. And the last one(a Dem) will be sworn in on Monday.
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Money always trumps Justice.

It's a law of the World.

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Re: Money always trumps Justice.

Now I have to listen to And Justice For All... by Metallica.

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Re: Money always trumps Justice.

I think it was said best by the Wu Tang Clan "Cash, Rules, Everything, Around, Me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar, dollar bill y'all "
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Attack Pirate Bay!

Fire your cannons! lol

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ObamaCare Appears Dead! Seniors Totally Against It!
Note: Barack Obama's approval rating dropped to 51% as of the last Rasmussen poll.

2Note: Ron Paul opposes BarryCare calling it "Unconstitutional" and "Socialism".

On the economy, voters now trust Republicans more than Democrats.

The recent Fox Dynamics polls found those over 65 oppose the Health Care Bill---45% think the plan will make health care worse vs. only 24% think it'll be better. 47% oppose it and only 35% support it. Clearly this AARP Group of highly influential citizens (Politicians cower to them every election--only women total can swing an election but not without the 65+ crowd).

65%-29% say it is impossible without higher taxes. The AARP crowd definitely hates tax increases on them in every poll ever done. 61%-29% think it'll make the deficit bigger. In a recent poll, all voters were 47-45% against BarryCare.

The ads running against National Health Care are working better than in 1992 when HillaryCare was being proposed. In 1994, Bill Clinton's tax hikes unrelated to HillaryCare, failed in 1993, cost him both houses of Congress in the Republican Revolution led by Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-GA).

Now, Congressmen in the Democratics ranks, most Reagan Democrats or moderates called Blue Democrats, are starting to erode Barack Obama's power since they know there will be hell to pay in the 2010 elections. Regardless of its passage, Democrats will be slaughtered since the AARP crowd will turn out in record numbers to vote against them. Hell, all the Republicans have to do is run a few ads the Democrat was for BarryCare and watch as Obama's poll numbers drop to 30%.

Americans basically are split on BarryCare and a rising number oppose it. Those ads against it are working magic. Basically the same ads that ran against HillaryCare in 1992-1993.

Republican Poll on 2012 Presidential Candidate:
Mitt Romney
Tom Pawlenty
Sarah Palin

Edit: Spelling.
Why was the thread closed on this? Mods don't respond.

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Re: This Site is Anti-Free Speech

said by cameronsfx:

Why was the thread closed on this? Mods don't respond.
What does any of this have to do with broadband, technology involving broadband, or people using any of these things?
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Re: This Site is Anti-Free Speech

POG said: "What does any of this have to do with broadband, technology involving broadband, or people using any of these things?"

Nothing it's just GOP rant to stave off what will probably be the most historical overhaul over the broken healthcare system in this Country. God I hope they run Saraduh Paisley in 2012....

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said by pog4:

said by cameronsfx:

Why was the thread closed on this? Mods don't respond.
What does any of this have to do with broadband, technology involving broadband, or people using any of these things?
What does the endless rants about Pirate Bay closing or Bit Torrents have either except promoting illegal stuff?

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said by cameronsfx:

said by pog4:

said by cameronsfx:

Why was the thread closed on this? Mods don't respond.
What does any of this have to do with broadband, technology involving broadband, or people using any of these things?
What does the endless rants about Pirate Bay closing or Bit Torrents have either except promoting illegal stuff?
Don't forget the 0.001% that's legit... some folks are, no doubt, going through 50GB a month in Linux distros. LOL!

At least, BT and BT-related talk involves "broadband, technology involving broadband, or people using any of these things"
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said by pog4:

Don't forget the 0.001% that's legit... some folks are, no doubt, going through 50GB a month in Linux distros. LOL!
I do that, 'cause I've got 2Mb up. I'll keep the latest ISOs of Fedora on torrent, along with some of the Forensic and Diagnostic Distros and a couple of the Out-of-Circulation OS's.

The only non-GPL item in that list is a copy of Windows Neptune that never made it out of alpha. It's strictly a novelty. I throw it out there every now and then and someone usually hits it. I suspect MS's losses from it's circulation are not overwhelming.

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Re: This Site is Anti-Free Speech

said by Noah Vail:

said by pog4:

Don't forget the 0.001% that's legit... some folks are, no doubt, going through 50GB a month in Linux distros. LOL!
I do that, 'cause I've got 2Mb up. ...
Heh... statistically speaking, I think that means there's only one more person doing like you on BBR.
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um socialist?
ya mean like Canadians pretty cool health care , or did you mean communist?
usa people ya can't tell who they blame next.
try shrinking your army a bit and looking after people then blamming socialism

sweden, norway canada all are socialist and proud of it

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The text you quoted is pure partisan flame bait. Nothing constructive is going to come from it. I've seen several threads where people discuss health care like mature adults that have not been closed or deleted.

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Reps Markey & Eshoo introduce Net Neutrality bill

»tech.yahoo.com/news/zd/20090731/tc_zd/242814
The Internet Freedom Preservation Act would ban ISPs from blocking, interfering with, or discriminating against lawful applications and devices on the Internet. Those ISPs would also be banned from offering prioritized Internet access or requiring customers to sign up for service other than Internet access.

The bill gives the FCC 90 days to come up with rules to make sure the ISPs are staying in line, disclosing their procedures to consumers, providing consumers with adequate bandwidth, and basically not doing anything illegal.

The commission has 180 days to establish rules to ensure that ISPs are not requiring customers to sign up for any other service besides Internet. Forced bundles or packages? Not with this bill.

This is the third time Markey has introduced this bill, the last time being in February 2008.
Text of this bill:
»markey.house.gov/images/PDFs/net···bill.pdf
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Re: Reps Markey & Eshoo introduce Net Neutrality bill

Markey must be smoking something funny:
generally, to the extent feasible, make available sufficient network capacity to users to enable the provision, availability, and use of an Internet access service to support lawful content, applications, and services that require high bandwidth communications to and from an end user;
This section requires ISPs to provide sufficient bandwidth to any bandwidth sucking application some developer can dream up. Say goodbye to over-subscription traffic models; but then also say goodbye to affordable internet access. Typical government thinking - promise something without any regard for the cost.
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Re: Reps Markey & Eshoo introduce Net Neutrality bill

Typical FUD response. I guess you chose to ignore the "to the extent feasible" part.

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Cash for Clunkers - Closed

The NTSB closed the program Thursday night after running out of the $1 billion program giving $3,500 or $4,500 a trade-in for gas guzzlers.

Congress might add another $2 billion to it.

Environmentalists actually are critics since you only have to get 2 mpg more than the 18 mpg clunker you turn in.

See »www.nytimes.com/2009/07/31/busin···ers.html

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