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1 edit |  Novus sued 1st and Shaw lawyers responded - surprise!
The company filed a complaint over Shaw's pricing in July with the Competition Bureau and launched a lawsuit in B.C. Supreme Court.
Calgary-based Shaw, which has more than two million customers, mostly in Western Canada, has fired back by filing a defamation lawsuit against Novus in B.C. Supreme Court. Proving predatory pricing is very hard to do because the real incremental costs of a service is usually well hidden from competitors and even regulators. Novus could be out of business before they ever got enough proof together to make their case. My guess is they will both come to a settlement of some sort and prices will go back to normal.
And this is what started the war. Novus blocked Shaw from new apartment buildings thru contracts while the buildings were being built.
Novus has for the past three years blocked access to Concord Pacific buildings, where Shaw has not been allowed to lay wiring while they were being built.
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| Re: Novus sued 1st and Shaw lawyers responded - surprise! Proving predatory pricing is very hard to do because the real incremental costs of a service is usually well hidden from competitors and even regulators. It doesn't exactly take a recombinant gene technologist to see that $9 for 200 SD and 25+ HD channels is artificially low. | |
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2 edits | Re: Novus sued 1st and Shaw lawyers responded - surprise! said by Karl Bode:Proving predatory pricing is very hard to do because the real incremental costs of a service is usually well hidden from competitors and even regulators. It doesn't exactly take a recombinant gene technologist to see that $9 for 200 SD and 25+ HD channels is artificially low. The story doesn't say, but is that $9.95 rate for a LIMITED time period? Sort of like the discounted rates all cable companies use. In those cases, some costs are eaten to conquer new customers from a competitor. And proving something in court isn't the same as assuming they are below cost.
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| Re: Novus sued 1st and Shaw lawyers responded - surprise! According to the Shaw ad image here, the 9.95 plan is promotional. It's actually free the first two months, then $9.95/service for months 3-12. My guess is that it's just a standard 12-month promotional rate and what's available at the end has not been decided. | |
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| said by Karl Bode:Proving predatory pricing is very hard to do because the real incremental costs of a service is usually well hidden from competitors and even regulators. It doesn't exactly take a recombinant gene technologist to see that $9 for 200 SD and 25+ HD channels is artificially low. Direct TV has ads now where one gets 5 Months free!!! Sounds grea.*
*With a 30 month contract, where months 6-30 are $109/mo, and there is a $300 ETF | |
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kudos:4 | Re: Novus sued 1st and Shaw lawyers responded - surprise! said by KrK:Personally though, $9 sounds low even to me.  It was $9.95 not $9. So closer to $10 than $9. | |
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| | | |  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Novus sued 1st and Shaw lawyers responded - surprise! OK OK
$10 Sounds low even to me! | |
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| | backfire I love how this backfire! Good for Novus! They took the fight to the customers and Shaw now is playing victim... | |
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| Eeny, meeny, miny, moe With the way things are going in Canada, the judge will just put on a blindfold and play Eeny, meeny, miny, moe to decide Novus' fate.
Can't say it's any better in the US. Here we just pretend there's no problem whatsoever  (overbearing lobbying efforts grease the wheels immensely)
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kudos:1 | Re: Eeny, meeny, miny, moe Nah they'll probably just pick the one with the deepest pockets.
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| | how the 1st poster is WRONG when you have a small area getitng such a wicked deal and the rest getting ZEROD or little for WAY HIGHER pricing ILL say the same thing novus is CALL TO COMPLAIN
This is a time those letter campaigns and such can be handier and calls to mps and such.
GET LOUD ABOUT this unfair and unethical company.
HEY SHAW ill bet that people will go with novus JUST TO SPITE you now.
knowing that when there gone your prices will revert to normal | |
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kudos:4 | Re: how the 1st poster is WRONG said by chronoss2009:GET LOUD ABOUT this unfair and unethical company. HEY SHAW ill bet that people will go with novus JUST TO SPITE you now. Novus started the mess when they blocked Shaw from some apartment buildings during construction. Ethics by Novus isn't so hot either.
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kudos:4 | Re: how the 1st poster is WRONG said by caco:Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't aprtment complex somehow linked to Novus owenership? Yes. But in Canada, like in the US now due to recent FCC rulings, you can't exclude competitors from an apartment building. Novus drug out the exclusion of Shaw as long as possible. So Shaw fought back with their own dirty tricks.
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| Re: how the 1st poster is WRONG That's interesting. I never thought about that..and I was wondering why I see so many people in my apartment building having Dish network in an area that is mainly served by bankrupt charter. I guess they are all not taking a risk going with charter in case they all of a sudden go poof! :P
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| That is true about excluding competitors; however in some instances, the owner(s) can refuse to allow the competitor to attach anything to their property. Or allow entrance onto the property from said competitor.
[Or for that matter allow Dish Network / Direct Tv to be installed- while there is OTARD, it doesn't do any good it the owners say no satellite dishes.]
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Calgary, AB | said by ThrowDemsOut:Novus started the mess when they blocked Shaw from some apartment buildings during construction. Ethics by Novus isn't so hot either. Doesn't Shaw have a sales team for MDU's? Or, have they been cocky enough to think they deserve to win all the business?
I know Bell TV went through the same thing in Ontario with Look TV some years ago. Bell didn't get pissy about it, they refocused their strategy with MDU's and started to take them seriously. Of course, it helped their cause that Look went bankrupt all on their own.
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| said by ThrowDemsOut:said by chronoss2009:GET LOUD ABOUT this unfair and unethical company. HEY SHAW ill bet that people will go with novus JUST TO SPITE you now. Novus started the mess when they blocked Shaw from some apartment buildings during construction. Ethics by Novus isn't so hot either. Well, this was considered "Just good business" till just recently. Shaw clearly is playing dirty pool, why defend them?
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1 edit | Geeeeeez If you have ever played the game of postal code bingo, with these national companies. You would find all sorts of different deals depending on your local area. And it really pizz's people off about it too.
So is it discrimination to give one group of people a deal and others don't get the deal? In some cases, Yes.
So really Shaw should have to explain to the Competition Council and court, about why they can offer such great deals in a certain area. At such a loss in profit(negative).
But if Novus has printed correct information, it's a total waste of the courts time. And besides, Novus just has to correct any skewed information that Shaw can prove is wrong in court. If they can that is.
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4. If you don’t live in Vancouver, say that it is outrageous that you are paying full rates to subsidize users that live in downtown Vancouver and that you demand to be treated equally as a customer.
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| Come on Shaw If you claim to be offering it to residents of West Vancouver then why won't you upgrade my plan to it. I'm right smack in the middle of where you claim to offer it, I can get Shaw service but you won't provide the terminal.
I think you meant to say Yaletown - which is basically condo city in downtown Vancouver and the heart of Novus territory.
So, if you're going to sue someone about it at least offer the service to the area you're claiming to be offering it to. | |
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