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Comcast Offers 100Mbps
Though it's pricey and intended for businesses...
by Karl Bode Wednesday 09-Sep-2009 tags: business · cable · Comcast
Comcast has dropped us a line to note they've launched 100 Mbps broadband service in the Twin Cities market. The tier, which offers 15 Mbps upstream, clocks in at a whopping $369.95 per month, and is intended for businesses. "This is a highly competitively priced when compared to typical business class T1 lines, many of which sell for hundreds of dollars per month and do not include the comprehensive software, applications and other features we offer," says Comcast.

The company says the tier will eventually be offered in additional markets and to residential customers, but is not specifying when. "We’re starting with commercial customers because we think this kind of speed will be of more interest to them," says Comcast spokesman Charlie Douglas. The business tier comes with Microsoft Communication Service, McAfee Security Suite software, Comcast's Web hosting starter package, a static IP, and business class twenty-four hour support.

We first reported rumors of a 100Mbps tier back in June. While Cablevision currently offers a 101 Mbps tier to residential customers, it costs $99 plus a $300 "activation fee." Comcast and Verizon have both publicly suggested they believe 100 Mbps for residential customers really isn't practical yet, and would exist solely as marketing bragging rights.

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brianiscool

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wow

Only if I could afford this now. I would be so happy : )

baineschile
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Re: wow

Expensive, but a step in the right direction

Themadcapper

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Until you use 250 gigs and they slow you down.
iansltx

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Re: wow

No caps on biz tiers. I'm pretty sure Comcast has five channels available for HSI here on the download side, so they'd have no problem providing 100/15 service if they wanted.

Personaly, I'd rather pay $100 for 101/15 with the activation fee, vs. $370/month without one.

PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD

Re: wow

said by iansltx:

No caps on biz tiers.
What about shaping?
iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
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Re: wow

Protocol agnostic still applies, but I haven't even run into that to my knowledge on a resi connection. One thing's for sure: business isn't going to get throttled below 3 Mbps on the upload side.

reality_chek

@sbcglobal.net

Re: wow

Server ports are still blocked. Pass.

veloslave
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Re: wow

Look at your name and then get one

While definitely not a comcrap fanboy... actually the opposite, there are no server ports blocked. I run a full web, VPN, Exchange, remote workplace etc. server and they encourage it.

There is no doubt that Comcast sux... none. BUT in their defense (more in the interest of truth) their business product is COMPLETELY different and better than the residential product... quite plainly, totally a different company/product.

A separate service department with a level one support that actually knows what they are doing (gasp) compared to the tragedy of calling residential support and then letting the first person you talked with to try and solve your issue??? That would be your own fault for not asking for a supervisor right from the get-go.

No... while on the over-all report card, comcrap is just that... you cannot compare the business side with residential as they are two different companies after a REALITY CHECK

Oh btw... I get this connection below with 5 static for $100



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Mom was right.... I NEED fiber!
bn1221

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Not overly expensive IMHO. I pay $99.00 a month for 2mbit by 15mbit on Time Warner DOCSIS 1.1.

My 5/5 fiber line with 4 statics is 1100 a month. Its never gone down in 3 years and my cable has total 50 hours downtime a year but for the price its nice to push HTTP traffic over.

jadebangle
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no thanks
i'll stick with 19.99 for a year or 42.95 afterward

6/1 is pretty good for me

fifty nine

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Who needs this?

Anyone?

I'm barely using 30 meg. I may drop back to 10 because it's a waste of money.
iansltx

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Re: Who needs this?

It's not for you. It's for, as said above, businesses who would normally be getting a carrier-grade circuit from a telco. If the business is in a Cogent-lit building they could get 100 Mbps symmetric for $600-$900, Comcast beats that, though the upload suffers.

Looking forward to upstream channel bonding that'll make higher upload speeds possible. I don't ned 100 Mbps either, but the extra upload speed is welcome.

PapaMidnight

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said by fifty nine:

Anyone?

I'm barely using 30 meg. I may drop back to 10 because it's a waste of money.
If you don't need it then you don't need it. I for one would enjoy 100 down. I would appreciate a higher uplink than 15 mbps though...
chemaupr

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Alexandria, VA

how much for similar fios?

369????????????? WTF.

fifty nine

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Re: how much for similar fios?

said by chemaupr:

369????????????? WTF.
FiOS doesn't offer anything comparable. They just haven't bothered to.

danclan

join:2005-11-01
Midlothian, VA

Re: how much for similar fios?

said by fifty nine:

said by chemaupr:

369????????????? WTF.
FiOS doesn't offer anything comparable. They just haven't bothered to.
And have no real need as with their 50/20 plan you can probably get just as good a connection if not better and 100% more upstream traffic to help better service your clients....or yourself since its available to businesses and consumers alike for under 150 a month.
rebus9

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Re: how much for similar fios?

said by danclan:

said by fifty nine:

said by chemaupr:

369????????????? WTF.
FiOS doesn't offer anything comparable. They just haven't bothered to.
And have no real need as with their 50/20 plan you can probably get just as good a connection if not better and 100% more upstream traffic to help better service your clients....or yourself since its available to businesses and consumers alike for under 150 a month.
My day-job connection is multiple Gig-E to 4 carriers, and my management workstation plugs directly into that core. Believe me when I say there really isn't much practical use for anything faster than 10-20 mbps unless you're a serious downloader and have multiple download threads running simultaneously where you can actually max out a 50+ mbps connection.

My downloads from Microsoft, HP, Sun, etc., don't run much faster than ~25 mbps. Browsing websites does not feel any faster on a 100 mbps pipe than it does at home on FIOS at 25 mbps. (although there IS a noticeable difference between my FIOS and 7 mbps Road Runner). And watching YouTube doesn't require more than 3-5 mbps, or a tad faster if you don't want the occasional buffering pauses.

100 mbps to the home would be great bragging rights, but a total waste of money unless you have an insatiable download appetite.

IPPlanMan
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Re: how much for similar fios?

With a small enough cap, the speed doesn't matter anyway.
WernerSchutz

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Re: how much for similar fios?

said by IPPlanMan:

With a small enough cap, the speed doesn't matter anyway.
Truth !
iansltx

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No 250GB cap on business.

IPPlanMan
Holy Cable Modem Batman

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Re: how much for similar fios?

said by iansltx:

No 250GB cap on business.
And why do you suppose that is? Maybe because businesses aren't downloading movies off of iTunes/vudu/Netflix.
iansltx

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Re: how much for similar fios?

No. It's because businesses are paying more for the service.

IPPlanMan
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Re: how much for similar fios?

said by iansltx:

No. It's because businesses are paying more for the service.
20-30 dollars more a month for the Business Tier over the residential tier gets you a whole bunch of other goodies besides the higher cap. (Microsoft Mail, Business Level Support, etc.)

Internet Starter Plan $59.95 per month

* 6 Mbps broadband downloads/1Mbps broadband Uploads + PowerBoost
* McAfee® Virus Scan
* Microsoft Communication Tools, including 2 Outlook mailboxes
* Domain name and three-page Web site
* 24/7 Business Class support
* Additional details

Recommended for:

* Businesses with lighter download needs
* Businesses looking for a more economical service that doesn’t skimp on speed or features

Internet Preferred Plan $89.95 per month

* 16 Mbps broadband downloads/2Mbps broadband Uploads + PowerBoost
* McAfee® Virus Scan
* Microsoft Communication Tools, including 4 Outlook mailboxes
* Domain name and starter three-page Web site
* 24/7 Business Class support
* Fully customizable options
* Additional details

Recommended for:

* Businesses with normal download and upload needs
* Businesses looking for increased productivity at a highly competitive rate

So the cap isn't higher because businesses are paying more. I think I've debunked that myth....

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iansltx

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Re: how much for similar fios?

I'd maintain that the higher cap higher price thing is indeed the case. Residential customers can get business accounts and guess what they do? That's right, download Hulu/Netflix/etc. Businesses who grab a high-bandwidth Comcast connection will probably use it, though they'll more likely be passing large files between point A and point B with a less "messy" protocol than BitTorrent.

That said, I probably use more interwebz than maybe 30% of Comcast Business customers.

IPPlanMan
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Re: how much for similar fios?

So how much of the 20-30 dollar price difference do you attribute to:

* Microsoft Communication Tools, including 4 Outlook mailboxes
* Domain name and starter three-page Web site
* 24/7 Business Class support
* Fully customizable options

And the rest is supposed to cover bandwidth? Really?
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Lt. Col. Pete Newell: 1st Inf. US Army
iansltx

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Re: how much for similar fios?

Yes. Really. Would you like to pay more for business service?

Remember that most Comcast business users won't use all of the Exchange mailboxes. They may not use any of them.

The domain and three-page starter website probably costs Comcast $10 per year, if that much.

Business class support doens't cost much more then resi support. Probably less overall because business accounts aren't going to have as many "dumb questions".

Fully customizable options? Don't those cost extra?

Also, bandwidth is cheap. If Comcast has the capacity at the last mile (with DOCSIS 3 they do) 250GB costs Comcast around $3 or so.

IPPlanMan
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Re: how much for similar fios?

I don't want to pay more for any service if possible. Not sure where you're going with that... Who would?

I'm not sure what usage of the Mailboxes has to do with anything. They are provided and it's included in the cost.

The domain name and website is included in the price. You could go to Godaddy instead and pay the same or more.

Business class support doesn't cost more to handle than Residential Support? Really? I think you're generalizing about "dumb questions" as well.

The options may cost extra, but that's not the point. They aren't even available on the residential tier.

Bandwidth is cheap? I think you've made my point.
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"We're going to start at one end of (Fallujah), and we're not going to stop until we get to the other. If there's anybody left when that happens, we're going to turn around and we're going to go back and finish it."
Lt. Col. Pete Newell: 1st Inf. US Army
iansltx

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Re: how much for similar fios?

Last I checked you were trying to prove that Comcast, with all those extra features, couldn't possibly be charging more for their business class service based on caps or lack thereof. I on the other hand think it's one of the major differentiating points between residential and business class service. You then changed the argument to something else and won that new argument.

:/

IPPlanMan
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Re: how much for similar fios?

I think I've been very consistent... I don't think I've changed my argument at all.

The added features of the business tier cost whatever they do... and if you say the cost of bandwidth is cheap, then I completely agree.

Why the cap for business is so much higher (10-12 times higher perhaps) for nearly the same price after the cost of these "features" are removed is very clear to me...
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"We're going to start at one end of (Fallujah), and we're not going to stop until we get to the other. If there's anybody left when that happens, we're going to turn around and we're going to go back and finish it."
Lt. Col. Pete Newell: 1st Inf. US Army
iansltx

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Re: how much for similar fios?

Because businesses aren't going to buy cable anyway?

IPPlanMan
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said by iansltx:

Because businesses aren't going to buy cable anyway?
Because Comcast has the most to lose in the residential market....

Comcast doesn't want you using anything else but OnDemand or their premium channel services... for which they have a revenue stream.

Again, the cap is not about addressing congestion (to quote JL - an authorized Comcast representative on DSLR)
»Re: Bandwidth Limits/Congestion Management - All discussion here

It's about preserving a market and preventing other viable options from developing. This under the guise of so-called "excessive use".
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"We're going to start at one end of (Fallujah), and we're not going to stop until we get to the other. If there's anybody left when that happens, we're going to turn around and we're going to go back and finish it."
Lt. Col. Pete Newell: 1st Inf. US Army
iansltx

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Re: how much for similar fios?

However business users have received "the call" asking them to upgrade to a higher tier proportional to high bandwidth usage. So there is some sort of congestion at play here.
WernerSchutz

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said by iansltx:

No 250GB cap on business.
There were reports (sporadic, maybe one, do not remember) of business subscribers getting "the call". The TOS talks about a cal, although the amount is not specified. In that, it is similar to the cap on residential that "did not exist" prior to the FL AG episode.
iansltx

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Re: how much for similar fios?

Won't argue with you on that. However the cap is significantly higher than residential service, and expected considering cable is a shared medium.
iansltx

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Tell that to the Cablevision folks.

Though they probably mainly got the tier for the upload speed.

PapaMidnight

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said by rebus9:

100 mbps to the home would be great bragging rights, but a total waste of money unless you have an insatiable download appetite.
Err...
Hi, name's Papa Midnight, and I'm a chronic downloader.
bn1221

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Since when do they do FiOS for business? Everything I call they say they are doing it for home users only. It might be due to them not meeting an SLA but fiber is really, really reliable.
rebus9

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Re: how much for similar fios?

said by bn1221:

Since when do they do FiOS for business? Everything I call they say they are doing it for home users only. It might be due to them not meeting an SLA but fiber is really, really reliable.
Mine is a Business FIOS connection at home. It definitely exists, and in fact, it's the only way you can get a static IP.

»www22.verizon.com/content/businessfios
bn1221

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Re: how much for similar fios?

Yup - your business account at home. Try a business of 1300 people 2 miles from the Verizon CO. They wont run my FiOS but they will sell me crappy 768k/5Mbit DSL for 179.99 a month.

I'd kill for FiOS or even Comcrap. Right now we have 5 mbit TWC fiber (1200)/month) and 2/15 cable for 99.00.

You'd think they'd lay fiber to me for 2000/month and give me 20/20 - which I'd willingly do. But I digress.
iansltx

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$5 says Verizon turns on 100 Mbps down FiOS (probably 25-35 Mbps up) by the end of the year to compete with this.

PapaMidnight

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Re: how much for similar fios?

said by iansltx:

$5 says Verizon turns on 100 Mbps down FiOS (probably 25-35 Mbps up) by the end of the year to compete with this.
I'll see your $5 and raise you $5 that it's 100/40.
iansltx

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Re: how much for similar fios?

I think we're pretty much in agreement. Heck, Verizon could do 50 Mbps up over GPON.

I'm just waiting for the schmuck who says it won't happen.

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Why would FIOS offer anything like that? If anything, in FIOS areas, the biz deals would be via VZB (ex-MCI/UUNET) and would revolve around fiber-based T-3 equivalent lines with an SLA (and we would only hear about such a deal *slantways*, as it won't go anywhere near VZC (Verizon Communications, the residential side of VZ)).

On the business side FIOS is actually a major problem for VZ, as they are still a major supplier of copper-based CENTREX (PBX-alternative) services to medium and larger businesses and government agencies. Without copper, how do you avoid wholesale defections among CENTREX-contracted customers?
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Re: how much for similar fios?

said by PGHammer:

Why would FIOS offer anything like that? If anything, in FIOS areas, the biz deals would be via VZB (ex-MCI/UUNET) and would revolve around fiber-based T-3 equivalent lines with an SLA (and we would only hear about such a deal *slantways*, as it won't go anywhere near VZC (Verizon Communications, the residential side of VZ)).
EDITED: Deleted my first response. I think I misunderstood your point. Business FIOS does ride the same network as Residential FIOS. Traceroutes show that. The only difference seems to be the price, and which 800# we call for support.

In exchange for radically cheaper pricing, we get no SLA.

PGHammer

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Re: how much for similar fios?

i was referring strictly to sales/support. As far as the circuits go, there is no difference between a residential line and a business line *except* for the level of service/support (and that's with any company, whether it's Comcast, VZ, Vonage, or even Magic Jack, for that matter).

What busineses pay extra for most residential users don't need (and mostly don't want).
rebus9

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Re: how much for similar fios?

said by PGHammer:

i was referring strictly to sales/support. As far as the circuits go, there is no difference between a residential line and a business line *except* for the level of service/support (and that's with any company, whether it's Comcast, VZ, Vonage, or even Magic Jack, for that matter).

What busineses pay extra for most residential users don't need (and mostly don't want).
And the irony is, on a 2 year committment Business FIOS is the same price as residential; the sole exception being 50/20 which is $5 more.

Even if I didn't use it for business purposes, I would still have gone the Business FIOS route because (a) residential plans only offer a 1 year committment, and (b) FIOS rates keep going up. This way I can lock in the price for twice as long as residential customers.

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said by chemaupr:

369????????????? WTF.
That's really cheap. We pay ,much more than that at work for only two T1 lines. And a T1 line is only 1.5mbs.

Comcast is offering 66X the speed of a T1 for download and 10x the speed of a T1 for upload.
$370 a month is a bargain compared to what a couple of T1 lines costs.

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BF69
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said by chemaupr:

369????????????? WTF.
About the same price Hughesnet charges for 5 Mbps/300 kbps with a 500 MB daily cap.
rebus9

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Or how about this....

They put you on a really fast roller coaster, but stop the car after the first loop. There is still more track ahead, but they say you have "used enough" of your fun quota and will have to come back next month to go the rest of the way.
neufuse

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Indiana, PA

psh

Metroethernet over fiber... only $700 a month and get up to GigE speeds..... symetric.... You pay more for T1/T3/Metro because its a DEDICATED line
yt
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Re: psh

said by neufuse:

Metroethernet over fiber... only $700 a month and get up to GigE speeds..... symetric.... You pay more for T1/T3/Metro because its a DEDICATED line
said by neufuse:

Metroethernet over fiber... only $700 a month and get up to GigE speeds..... symetric.... You pay more for T1/T3/Metro because its a DEDICATED line
Local MetroE is a different service than world wide Internet transit. Also, there is no such thing as DEDICATED Internet
neufuse

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Re: psh

um hey smartie, did I say dedicated internet? no.. I said dedicated line

tempnexus
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Yay For them I can barely get 16Mbps

I don't really give a crap since it doesn't concern me. Japan had 45 Mbps for $19.00 for years but since I can't get it then YAY Great to be them.

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cooldude9919

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IP Addresses

It sucks that they dont offer more than 14 ip addresses per modem. Time Warner & Charter offer up to a /24 on coax. Comcast is missing out on some business because of this.
sonicmerlin

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Cleveland, OH
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Heh

I'd like to quote a couple of people from other sites:

Here in Slovenia, 100M/10M costs 20 EUR per month. No transfer limits.

For real. I'm currently living in Korea and I don't think that I've been able to find any service slower than 50 Mbps. The standard here is 100-160 Mbps for roughly $20/month. When I read the following line in the article:

"And the blog post notes that Verizon is offering some very high-speed services these days: fiber to the home at 50Mbps down and 20Mbps up in some areas."

I almost pissed myself I was laughing so hard. Very high-speed my butt.

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Joe12345678

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what is the cap are severs able to be run on this? QOS over

what is the cap are severs able to be run on this? do you get QOS over others? faster fix times? Does this price also have basic cable with clear qam OTA with it?

There better be no cap as T1 don't have them.
iansltx

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Re: what is the cap are severs able to be run on this? QOS over

A T1 can pass AT MOST 972 GB per month. So technically if Comcast had a 1TB cap on biz service you'd still be coming out ahead with them.

That said, there is no specific cap on biz service (you could probably max out the download for most of the working day and they wouldn't care, similar for upload).

I'm pretty sure biz users do get QoS over resi users. Faster fix times are standard to a biz connection from what I hear. Price I'm sure doesn't include basic cable; why would it?

caster5

@sbcglobal.net

Re: what is the cap are severs able to be run on this? QOS over

basic cable is sent anyways and will soon be only thing you can get with out a cable box or cable card.
iansltx

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Also, servers are allowed to run over any biz-class connection.

PapaMidnight

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Re: what is the cap are severs able to be run on this? QOS over

said by iansltx:

Also, servers are allowed to run over any biz-class connection.
Ports are still blocked.

CCBizUser

@omcastbusiness.net

Re: what is the cap are severs able to be run on this? QOS over

said by PapaMidnight:

Ports are still blocked.
No, they really aren't.

wildbill1978

@radford.edu

Tell Me Again Why Comcast Needs To Cap Its Res. Customers?

I know there is a difference between speed and bandwidth, but can someone explain to me if they can offer 100Mbps to businesses how can they claim that their network is taxed by all these crazy pirates?

Oh that's right their ROI is better with companies than with their residential customers, and since they can charge business whatever they want, then well that's OK then.

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dmelling

join:2009-02-26
New Paris, OH

QOS?

Anyone know what their QOS is? I am currently paying aropund 480 a month for each of my two T1's so this would be a great savings!
chronoss2009
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comcast is doing what ISPS did to us canadians

get used to it and get ready to pay up your butt
move to europe and get WAY cheaper net rates
...in fact move your IT busines to europe via outsourcing IT people ( cheaper) then use the cheaper net and smash yoru USA competition to pieces

nice a comcast to help competition
iansltx

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Re: comcast is doing what ISPS did to us canadians

I heard taxes are higher in Europe.

Also, Comcast has more internet customers than many European customers have inhabitants. So it's pretty amazing that they're going to roll this out across their entire footprint. Which will probably end up encompassing 50% of cable users, now that the 30% cap is gone.
sonicmerlin

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Re: comcast is doing what ISPS did to us canadians

said by iansltx:

I heard taxes are higher in Europe.

Also, Comcast has more internet customers than many European customers have inhabitants. So it's pretty amazing that they're going to roll this out across their entire footprint. Which will probably end up encompassing 50% of cable users, now that the 30% cap is gone.
Of course, having more customers also happens to mean you make more money. ... Think about that ...shocking isn't it?
iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2

Re: comcast is doing what ISPS did to us canadians

Last I checked Comcast was a capitalist entity. Unlike telcos and TWC they haven't outright stood up against muni projects. They've just done the capitalist thing..deploy near-predatory pricing...to keep alive in muni-fiber markets.

PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD

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said by chronoss2009:

get used to it and get ready to pay up your butt
move to europe and get WAY cheaper net rates
...in fact move your IT busines to europe via outsourcing IT people ( cheaper) then use the cheaper net and smash yoru USA competition to pieces

nice a comcast to help competition
I'd rather outsource to Japan. Good routing to US Tier 1 carriers such as Level3 and 100/100 for a damn decent price. By the way, caps and ports are non-existent for many ISPs there.

mod_wastrel
Gone fishin'

join:2008-03-28

For businesses?

So... there's an SLA?

And do "businesses" not need higher upstream speeds (since one would presume that significant numbers of people are trying to connect to them)?

Where's the value here? (Oh, right... "comcastic"... "-tastic"... whatever.)

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cowboyro

join:2000-10-11
Shelton, CT
Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse

Residential users don't need it...

I used to get 30M+ when I was on OOL. Switched to Comcrap and was getting ~25M. Now I'm on U-Verse and getting 18M. No real life difference except when downloading a huge file (200M+) once a month from exceptionally fast sources. Otherwise most servers can't fill the pipe. I'd say residential users don't need more than 10M, anything over that is for bragging rights.
Now the up bandwidth is a whole different animal... would be nice to see at least 5M+...

sickntire

@comcast.net

dream on

dream on

comcast $369.95/m, optimum online $99/m
glinc

join:2009-04-07
New York, NY

Re: dream on

said by sickntire :

dream on

comcast $369.95/m, optimum online $99/m
Plus $300 Activation fee from OOL
Anaerobic

join:2008-09-02
Bronx, NY

Re: dream on

And OOL is still a bargain compared to Comcast...

First Year:
OOL: $300 + $99x12 = $1,488
Comcast: $369 x 12 = $4,428

After the first year:
OOL: $99x12 = $1,188
Comcast: $369 x 12 = $4,428
bnceo

join:2007-10-11
Bel Air, MD

What's the Upload?

Firstly, what's the upload connection on this thing? And is this another "UP TO" 100mbps. I rather take my 30/15 connection that is steady all the way. Not to mention I don't need to have caps or be throttled. F* comcast!

cypherstream
Premium,MVM
join:2004-12-02
Reading, PA
kudos:3
Reviews:
·ProLog
·DIRECTV
·Comcast

Tell me about it

I think we pay close to $1000 for 3xT1's. That's 4.5mbps symmetrical people...

Were locked into a 3 year gig, but after that's up, if something like this can provide a full SLA and maybe 3 /29 blocks of static IP's, it would be interesting. Comcast is digging up our business park right now laying fiber.

joebarnhart
Paxio evangelist

join:2005-12-15
Santa Clara, CA
Reviews:
·Comcast

Do we "NEED" 100M? YES -- for the future

No, I can't say anyone needs it now. But if we HAVE a truly broadband connection like this, new applications and services will come available to use that bandwidth. What applications?

-- IPTV (No more rain blackouts from cable or satellite)

-- Home security (companies who can monitor cameras for better home security -- even monitor your own home while away)

-- Remote backup (yes, it exists now, but it's painful to use at molasses speeds)

-- Stuff we can't even imagine now! That's the best part. Open the taps and see what creative people can do with it.

I'm glad I can have a Paxio connection (»www.paxio.com) because I've had 100M/100M for a long time now. The best part is, I just don't have to think about speed anymore. If I want a new Linux distro, just click a link and watch the installation DVD fly into my computer. If I want to help a project, I just seed their torrent and everybody can benefit from my bandwidth.

You need to start demanding more bandwidth NOW from your providers. Only when this kind of speed becomes ubiquitous will the applications start to grow.
sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH
kudos:1

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Re: Do we "NEED" 100M? YES -- for the future

The amazing thing is, and I'm assuming Paxio is a relatively small company, that gigantic companies like Verizon and AT&T have enormous economies of scale to draw from. Heck, those two alone control the special access lines, essentially giving them infinitely cheaper prices than end user businesses who must rent access from them

And yet services like FIOS and U-verse don't even come CLOSE to competing with Paxio's offerings.

In a true free market profits tend towards zero. Just how fast and cheap would internet services in the US be in a truly competitive market with the economies of scale and ownership of backbone these massive incumbents enjoy?

I'm thinking at least Japanese level pricing for urban areas.

For me, then, the national broadband plan is an incredibly exciting proposition. I'm hoping that the FCC just blows our minds out of the water with their aspirations. Blair Levin, after all, watched his original plan 13 years ago gutted and defamed by the incumbents. I'm sure he wants to make amends and demonstrate a generational leap in internet-related technological progress.

If sparsely populated Australia with its relatively puny economy can undertake a project to build a national fiber network guaranteeing a *minimum* of 12 mbps, just imagine what Blair Levin and the FCC, with the incredible power and affluence of the US government, can accomplish.
ricep5
Premium
join:2000-08-07
Jacksonville, FL

Check the SLA's

No one is checking the SLA's when doing a comparo with residential and commercial accounts. You are all focused on bitrates, caps and monthly costs.

Comcast Business biggest achilles heel is that they can't provide a telco level SLA on their cable based broadband. They don't provide service credits when the service goes down. (and it does go down) Unless someone can find me some fine print, it's a "best available" service like residential.

There is no way I would mux SIP voice channels on a Comcast Business IP link. While the price does compete with the TWT Campus Ethernet offering, TWT provides a superior SLA.

IMHO: Comcast Business is good for SMB's, tertiary links in DR or when you need basic broadband for VPN in a remote locale underserved by a telco.
sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH
kudos:1

Re: Check the SLA's

said by ricep5:

No one is checking the SLA's when doing a comparo with residential and commercial accounts. You are all focused on bitrates, caps and monthly costs.

Comcast Business biggest achilles heel is that they can't provide a telco level SLA on their cable based broadband. They don't provide service credits when the service goes down. (and it does go down) Unless someone can find me some fine print, it's a "best available" service like residential.

There is no way I would mux SIP voice channels on a Comcast Business IP link. While the price does compete with the TWT Campus Ethernet offering, TWT provides a superior SLA.

IMHO: Comcast Business is good for SMB's, tertiary links in DR or when you need basic broadband for VPN in a remote locale underserved by a telco.
Upon reading your post, I thought to myself, "half of that entire paragraph is a bunch of acronyms". Right on!

anonymous1

@verizon.net

Time Warner

TIme Warner Cable is so behind, it's not even funny!
iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2
Reviews:
·Comcast
·Verizon Online DSL

Re: Time Warner

Tell me about it.

Back home I'm probably in the best market for TWC internet possible. $50 for 15/2. Lots better than $65 for 8/2 that I was getting here in CO...

...then Comcast rolled out DOCSIS 3. $55ish for 12/2 isn't a big deal. $75 for 22/5 is a big deal. Having a 100/15 pipe available at all is a big deal, considering 15/2 would be $250 over TWC back home.

apollo7

join:2002-05-18
Albuquerque, NM

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Comcast slow speed

Nevermind.

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