  kapilThe Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL | Pfft AT&T and Verizon own enough network elements and bandwidth that they truly could make wireless unlimited at a reasonable price...but wireless is a big cash cow for both and wireline is dying, so they won't out of greed!
Both AT&T and Verizon have so many wireless and wireline customers that the bulk of the calls probably stay on their own network.
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| | | | Re: Pfft VZW reseller (PagePlus) aready does this on VZW's network. Unlimited voice calling for $39.99 per month.
If they can do it why NOT ATT or VZ themselves? Hell, Sprint does it on both of their networks; CDMA: Virgin Mobile and iDEN: Boost Mobile. | |
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| |  wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | Re: Pfft said by Caddyroger:If that the case then return 50% of your pay back to your employer Dear Leader has "enlightened" me by allowing me to give back almost 50% of my income to the government, and I LOVE IT! Its not like I had a need for that money anyway.......  | |
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Re: Pfft said by wifi4milez:said by Caddyroger:If that the case then return 50% of your pay back to your employer Dear Leader has "enlightened" me by allowing me to give back almost 50% of my income to the government, and I LOVE IT! Its not like I had a need for that money anyway....... If 50% of your income is going to the Feds, you need to fire your CPA for stealing from you ... or hire one. | |
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|  r81984Fair and BalancedPremium
join:2001-11-14
Katy, TX
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| said by kapil:AT&T and Verizon own enough network elements and bandwidth that they truly could make wireless unlimited at a reasonable price...but wireless is a big cash cow for both and wireline is dying, so they won't out of greed! Both AT&T and Verizon have so many wireless and wireline customers that the bulk of the calls probably stay on their own network. Not when people call scammy Iowa conference call numbers and ATT and Verizon get billed $.06 a minute.
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| | Matt3All noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Re: Pfft said by r81984:Not when people call scammy Iowa conference call numbers and ATT and Verizon get billed $.06 a minute. Right, that's the problem! Everyone needs to stop using FreeConferenceCall and we'll all get lower cell phones bills! 
Of course, AT&T charges you $0.10 a minute for the same service, but that's ok, right? »businessesales.att.com/products/···ng.jhtml | |
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| | | r81984Fair and BalancedPremium
join:2001-11-14
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| Re: Pfft said by Matt3:said by r81984:Not when people call scammy Iowa conference call numbers and ATT and Verizon get billed $.06 a minute. Right, that's the problem! Everyone needs to stop using FreeConferenceCall and we'll all get lower cell phones bills! Of course, AT&T charges you $0.10 a minute for the same service, but that's ok, right? » businessesales.att.com/products/···ng.jhtml What is wrong with charging the user anything???
With the scammy Iowa conference numbers instead of the user getting charged the phone company does. Why should the phone company pay for your conference calls???
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Re: Pfft said by r81984:said by Matt3:said by r81984:Not when people call scammy Iowa conference call numbers and ATT and Verizon get billed $.06 a minute. Right, that's the problem! Everyone needs to stop using FreeConferenceCall and we'll all get lower cell phones bills! Of course, AT&T charges you $0.10 a minute for the same service, but that's ok, right? » businessesales.att.com/products/···ng.jhtml What is wrong with charging the user anything??? With the scammy Iowa conference numbers instead of the user getting charged the phone company does. Why should the phone company pay for your conference calls??? And the charges are passed along in the form of some bogus fee I'm sure. I'm sorry, I'm not going to cry a river for an ILEC ... especially not over $0.06 a minute. | |
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kudos:12 |  Nice Feature
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| | | Re: Nice Feature Yes, you will save money by piling up all those unused minutes you paid for with the plan you already had and your shinny new 2 year commitment with large contract full of reasons why they can force you back onto another plan if you overuse it.
Make sure you read the TOS folks.
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join:2002-04-04
Gone South | Same thing as Verizon Verizon already has this same feature called "Family and Friends". | |
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| | | Re: Same thing as Verizon said by skj:Verizon already has this same feature called "Family and Friends". At the same price  . I checked into it and essentially the same amount of minutes as well .
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join:2002-04-16
Miami, FL | Re: Same thing as Verizon said by Boricua65:At the same price . I checked into it and essentially the same amount of minutes as well . But don't call it collusion or price signaling  | |
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join:2002-04-04
Gone South | Re: Same thing as Verizon It is purely a coincidence that the promotions are exactly the same. | |
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join:2000-10-11
Lincolnshire, IL | Don't qualify.......... I'm on the $40/450min iPhone plan, and this feature won't be worth the extra $20mo to change minute plans for me. I will be happy to voip as much as I want when I'm using wifi though......
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|  en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Don't qualify.......... Same here... I'm on the 550/$59.99 family plan , and don't qualify. To pay $30/month more, it would be the same as cutting my landline...which includes free calling to Canada. Not happening.
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| | Matt3All noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Re: Don't qualify.......... said by en102:Same here... I'm on the 550/$59.99 family plan , and don't qualify. To pay $30/month more, it would be the same as cutting my landline...which includes free calling to Canada. Not happening. Oooh, I misread the article. Yeah, we won't be eligible for this as we're on an 800 minute plan (700 minute from AT&T directly) that is a little less than $69.99/month. Well that sucks ... | |
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| | | | Hmm 16 percent for social and medicare, then another 25-33 on average for income adds up quite fast to near 50 percent. Sure not exactly 50, but sadly close enough. | |
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Re: Don't qualify.......... said by vahif :
Hmm 16 percent for social and medicare, then another 25-33 on average for income adds up quite fast to near 50 percent. Sure not exactly 50, but sadly close enough.
That's before deductions. I'm self-emplyed so I pay an additional 15% ON TOP of that, and I am able to get mine to about 18% after deductions ... and I don't even have kids. | |
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| | en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Thats a lot of minutes With a 1400 plan and rollover, unless you're hitting 1400 minutes/month (not including m2m/n+w), you might as well be already considered unlimited. That's 23 hours of non-weekend, non-night time calling. Sure, if I was using my cellphone as a personal work phone, it might be worth it.
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| |  tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1 | said by ArrayList:your right. these "deals" are not really deals.. unless you talk A LOT. a god awful amount. people get these "deals" when they don't do the math and take the salespersons word for it. or they just use an absorbent amount of minutes. T-Mobile offers myfaves for individual plans as low as 300 minutes and Family plans as low as 400 (not 1400) minutes.
These offers are not always bad deals. Chances are if they're from ATT or VZW, they are though.
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TM also wants $39.99 for the plan. At that rate just use a VZW reseller (see above) for a much better deal, or for $10 extra bucks use Virgin Mobile and have a better and larger network. | |
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| I have the 400minute plan on T-mobile with 2 G1's on it. I barely use 100minutes. I do however use the hell out of the data plan. I think i average around 300-400 megs that are not on wifi.
i wish oh i wish that I could get a plan with even fewer voice minutes. | |
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join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1 | Re: Thats a lot of minutes they're discussing some alternative ideas over on howardforums. I believe that's the type of plan they offer in the UK and Germany. | |
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join:2002-01-22
00000 | Dislike these types of plans I really dislike these types of cell phone plans. It needlessly complicates what should be simple: using a cell phone. Yes yes, I understand it 'adds value' ~violent shudder~ but the only plan that will get my attention is one that costs less overall, not these little games the big guys are playing. | |
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| tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1 | Re: Dislike these types of plans said by morbo:I really dislike these types of cell phone plans. It needlessly complicates what should be simple: using a cell phone. Yes yes, I understand it 'adds value' ~violent shudder~ but the only plan that will get my attention is one that costs less overall, not these little games the big guys are playing. Seriously?
They save you money by letting you drop to lower plans. May not be useful for business users that call many different people, but for residential lines, MyFaves and A-List/Friends&Family save people money on their monthly bills.
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join:2002-01-22
00000 | Re: Dislike these types of plans yes, seriously. I don't believe many people will be able to drop to a lower plan because of the limits of being on a plan--you must spend $60 a month individually or $80+ as a family to even qualify. sure, maybe a few, again, KISS policy says this is needlessly complicated. just lower the overall price a bit and people will be more inclined to upgrade to a plan with more minutes. | |
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| | en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | said by tiger72:Seriously? They save you money by letting you drop to lower plans. May not be useful for business users that call many different people, but for residential lines, MyFaves and A-List/Friends&Family save people money on their monthly bills. Actually... they're making more money by hoping that people will 'upgrade' to one of these more expensive plans. Since many data devices are now requiring data plans, you can think of the $59.99 personal + $40/month unlimited data/text as a $100 almost unlimited deal. Its good for those that want to talk A LOT, or not have to worry about overages.
For the average person ($59/family plan), its the equivalent of $30/month extra, or the cost of my VoIP from TWC.
Like morbo has stated... I'd like something to keep my bill lower vs. adding more for a 'better value'.
Eg. family 550/59.99 could go to : Family 300/$59.99 + A-list.
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| | | | said by tiger72:They save you money by letting you drop to lower plans. May not be useful for business users that call many different people, but for residential lines, MyFaves and A-List/Friends&Family save people money on their monthly bills. How would I save? I'm on a lower minute plan than what qualifies. I am on a 700 minute plan, and my minutes always roll over. I have minutes expiring.
What would I save by switching to a more expensive plan, when I can go to T-Mobile, spend slightly less, get 2x as many minutes and MyFaves (both of us on the plan only have a handful of people we call often).... and still have unlimited text messages on both phones and data on one of the phones...
You're telling me to spend more to save money... which makes no sense. I would not save money on this plan, I would spend more. I can get the same from T-Mobile for much less. | |
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| openbox9Premium
join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | said by morbo:It needlessly complicates what should be simple: using a cell phone. That's the point This is a mechanism to entice uneducated consumers to spend more than they really need. A lot of people look at "unlimited calls to/from 10 people" and buy it hook, line, and sinker. They don't understand, or ignore the fact, that they'll end up paying more for the increased service tier to get the "free" calling than if they had just stayed within their existing tier. I looked at VZW's Friends and Family offering and it didn't make financial sense given my family's usage pattern. | |
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join:2008-03-18
West Bloomfield, MI | I KNEW this was COMING I was talking to a at&t rep and asked about this 2 freaking days ago, she said Well as you know these calls are recorded I can't say much but what you said has a possibility of coming to AT&T if they think it will work, and they have been discussing it. | |
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| | | Re: I KNEW this was COMING LMAO. They do NOT record everything.
They only offer it because, Alltel and TM were the ones that came out with it. VZW only offers it because of Alltel's buyout and not losing many customers, and neither of the three want to on going unlimited for under $60. | |
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join:2008-03-18
West Bloomfield, MI | Re: I KNEW this was COMING said by hottboiinnc:LMAO. They do NOT record everything. They only offer it because, Alltel and TM were the ones that came out with it. VZW only offers it because of Alltel's buyout and not losing many customers, and neither of the three want to on going unlimited for under $60. Bah, I know they don't record everything, but the rep used it at a excuse. Oh well, the AT&T A-List+Rollover is prob the best plan I can think of. | |
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| | | | | Re: I KNEW this was COMING Uh no.
It's over priced and only there to get more people to spend more money.
Why use A-List when you have roll over? | |
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| | Why whine? It's a perk. If you are on one of the eligible rate plans you're getting a nice freebie. If you aren't then you aren't losing anything.
Why b!#ch about it? | |
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|  Steve BPremium
join:2004-08-02
Seattle, WA | Re: Why whine? Because, AT&T will market this everywhere in a way that will make consumers think its beneficial to all when its not. Sales reps will do the same thing. I understand AT&T is in this to make money. But damn, once in a while be nice to the group of people that help keep your ass in business. Meaning, let EVERYONE take advantage of this offer. | |
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join:2001-02-15
Wichita, KS
kudos:1 | Yeppers... Total Rip-off...Tmobile (the originator) and Alltel both had this feature available for a long time with much less $$ involved. 3 line family plan on Alltel (soon VZW) with 1000 minutes and 1000 texts per line = 79.99 plus taxes and fees. 10 "My Circle" numbers included. Monthly use is around 600-650 minutes. | |
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| | | Re: Yeppers... You won't be paying that with VZ. But they'll be glad to give you a nice price increase. | |
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| | | | Re: Yeppers... You are right about Verizon plans.The trick here to keep the old Alltel plan in effect by not upgrading to new equipment. Just buy a CMDA phone out right and have Verizon activate it. This way you keep more minutes for the dollar. Since Verizon merger, I get constant teasers to upgrade from Verizon. | |
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join:2003-03-10
Gate City, VA | friends and family I would say this has more to do with the fact they bought 15 of the21 remaining alltel networks and this was the easy route to keep those customers on the same kind of plan they had with alltel.
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| slckusrPremium
join:2003-03-17
Maumee, OH
kudos:1 Reviews:
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| Re: friends and family said by dgoin:I would say this has more to do with the fact they bought 15 of the21 remaining alltel networks and this was the easy route to keep those customers on the same kind of plan they had with alltel. funny verizon got friends and family too. If you need to update the backend to support the feature just give it to everyone. | |
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 The BeerI Love It When A Plan Comes TogetherPremium
join:2001-07-24
Atlantic, IA | It's all a numbers game... They did an analsys of people with those plans and found a majority don't use all their plan minutes anyway, this gives the percived value you get to call these people for free, when in fact you prob would not have used the min anyway.
Sprint has this too (you have to call and ask or beg) for Pick3 or Pick5, but once again they will not give it to you on a VALUE plan unless you call retentions.
I have the Pick5 and one is my google voice number for the WIN. | |
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|  MaccawolfPremium
join:2001-02-20
Hillsdale, NJ
kudos:8 | Re: It's all a numbers game... Personally I don't need/want it, (I barely use my phone as it is).
BUT, my father could really use it, but doesn't qualify cos his plan is only the senior plan. 200/1000 (+ iphone unlimited data).
He hasn't gone over, but he's come real close a few times.
Why is it that just because we don't spend lots of money with AT&T, they don't avail us to perks? the cash we spend is just as green as every body else's.....
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»www.att.com/gen/general?pid=6431 not in the southeast AT&T one Brand a joke
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|  GbcueP.E.Premium
join:2001-09-30
Santa Rosa, CA
kudos:8 | Same thing with "rollover" minutes.
It's not like you would have used them anyways. People with lots of rollover minutes are getting ripped off.
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| higher per minute price, then add taxes & fees! This is WHY you got postpaid account, to have a nicer phone... or a subsidized phone which your carrier sold you down the river for 2 years in-contract for... there are prepaid plans which are $40-50 for unlimited calling and have some calling features as well.. maybe even texting & data added in too.. depending upon the carrier.
The time has LONG PAST for the post-paid prices to come dOwN to reality. Will someone please send a MEMO to AT&T and VERIZON!! | |
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