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Chuck Carlso
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2009-Oct-30 1:32 pm
CRTC Blocks Canada's WIND Wireless NetworkI guess i'll pass on any wireless plans i had. | |
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Robert
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2009-Oct-30 1:37 pm
Sucks, but loved the commercials | |
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treich
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2009-Oct-30 1:37 pm
about wireless in CAthank god I live in US and we have different options for internet connections. Its sad that canada is mostly own by bell | |
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en102
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2009-Oct-30 4:23 pm
Re: about wireless in CALiving in Canada isn't that bad. I keep my citizenship up in case I need to go back for healthcare. | |
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osme
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2009-Oct-31 12:57 pm
Re: about wireless in CAsaid by en102:Living in Canada isn't that bad. I keep my citizenship up in case I need to go back for healthcare. Sorry to burst your bubble, but if you've been living out of the country for a while and you no longer have an up to date health card, no health care for you. | |
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wvc5239
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2009-Oct-31 8:00 pm
Re: about wireless in CAsaid by osme:said by en102:Living in Canada isn't that bad. I keep my citizenship up in case I need to go back for healthcare. Sorry to burst your bubble, but if you've been living out of the country for a while and you no longer have an up to date health card, no health care for you. Not to mention, citizenship has nothing to do with the right to health care; its residency and taxes | |
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If is anything like EU, Canadian citizens will never loose the right to free-low quality, long waiting lists-health care.
Health card should not be a problem, just show up at the local "commissary" and have it renewed. | |
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Never mind that the USA says you CAN NOT have Citizenship in TWO COUNTRIES! It's illegal. | |
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El QuintronCancel Culture Ambassador Premium Member join:2008-04-28 Tronna |
Hopefully competition is not over before it beginsAt worst, and if all else fails I would strongly recommend WINDmobile/Orascom sue Canada at the WTO as they've paid for spectrum they can't use. | |
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Re: Hopefully competition is not over before it beginsHopefully something like Google Voice will render the whole CRTC industrial complex irrelevant in the near future. | |
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Re: Hopefully competition is not over before it beginsUnfortunately if the internet keeps being regulated as it is, google voice may never materialize in Canada! | |
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Luongo
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2009-Oct-30 1:46 pm
RegulationMost countries have this kind of regulation. The US is the worst for it, anything that is not "made in America" and so on is hated. Are there any foreign-owned phone companies in the US? Think about it.
And what about all the "buy American" provisions in the stimulus?
If you are going to whine about protectionism, look in your own back yard! | |
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swintec
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2009-Oct-30 1:58 pm
Re: Regulationsaid by Luongo :
Are there any foreign-owned phone companies in the US? Think about it. T-Mobile? Largely owned by Duetche (sp?) Telecom... Verizon Wireless...Isnt one of the major owners some French company..starts with a "V" I think. | |
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2009-Oct-30 4:35 pm
Re: RegulationVodafone, they're a British company... (well, based in Britain, but they're all over the world- second-largest mobile phone company behind China Mobile, and they own 2% of that IIRC) Plus, before the joint-venture VZW was created, they were called Vodafone AirTouch and owned 100% of AirTouch Wireless.
Though, I have to admit I think an Egyptian company like Orascom would get more suspicion in the US too than a Western European company would. | |
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See and the funny thing is that BELL is 100% owned by a TEACHERS PENSION FUND IN THE USA!!!! SO WTF!!! Bell is in bed with the CRTC, or the CRTC is being paid off by BELL to create this mega monopoly. Hence why I dropped the b as tards when I could. Bell you suck!!! Your so threatened by competition that you buy your way to success.. F U Bell.. I hope your company goes belly up when the public hears of your scammy ways!!
Edit: So what this new WIND mobile should do is have a canadian come in and start the company, run it for 1 year with support and then have this wind company come and purchase it for billions and billions and walla, bye bye bell!! I mean bell now owns virgin mobile for crist sakes. What the F is going on with this monopoly, and the CRTC continues to let BELL beat down their resellers and throttling their bandwidth, and they say they don't have time for the complaints? CRTC DO YOUR EF IN JOB!!!! Or I will stop paying my EF in Taxes cause its not protecting me!!! | |
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jsb825
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2009-Oct-31 11:27 pm
Re: RegulationCRTC = BELL and BELL = TEACHERS PENSION FUND OF THE USA
So can the CRTC really justify their actions with WINDS mobile? I think not. CRTC is not government owned, its BELL OWNED!!! | |
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2009-Oct-31 11:29 pm
Re: RegulationCRTC is the TELECOM as USA is to OIL
BUSTED!!!! | |
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jsb825
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2009-Oct-31 11:32 pm
Re: RegulationBOYCOT BELL!!!! I am in a company that resells telecom products, and thank god they don't sell bell products. I would NEVER stay in a company where my money is supporting a corrupt company with no standards and no direction!! Just money hungry out for their own pockets, then a new company who wants to help customers save money while still making money gets shut down. And we pay the government our tax dollar to stick us like that? Time for a new government policy!!! Or maybe time to overthrow this corrupt NORTH AMERICAN NEW WORLD ORDER and get back our freedoms!! Isn't that why we fight? So lets wage a war against the CANADIAN and US GOVERNMENTS to WIN BACK THE VERY FREEDOM THEY ARE SLOWLY TAKING AWAY FROM US!!
Bell = worried about their own pockets Winds Mobile = Worried about customers and their own pockets
Big difference. At least Winds CARES. There is a word I think Bell needs to go back to first grade and learn! I mean really. Teachers Pension Fund? Maybe you should teach yourself some more First Grade Manors!! | |
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said by swintec:T-Mobile? Largely owned by Duetche (sp?) Telecom... Verizon Wireless...Isnt one of the major owners some French company..starts with a "V" I think. Verizon is owned by Vodafone (UK) (owners of SFR in France). | |
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If you are going to whine about protectionism, look in your own back yard! Nobody was saying otherwise. I wish airlines like KLM could come in and compete in our air travel sector...you'd see huge improvements. | |
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2009-Oct-30 2:07 pm
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Yes the US does have carriers that are partially foreign owned. T-Mobile is a subsidiary of a German based company and Verizon Wireless is a joint venture between Vodafone and Verizon Communications. | |
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Sorry to disillusion you, but most of the US is foreign owned already. | |
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said by Luongo :
Are there any foreign-owned phone companies in the US? Think about it. Ever hear of T-Mobile 100% owned by Deutche Telekom of Germany. And Verizon Wireless is 45% owned by Vodaphone of the UK. And don't kid yourself about Canada. The majority are moderately xenophobic and have rules in many industries that discourage or prohibit foreign ownership. Visit the Canada forum and Canpol forums sometimes to see how people feel there about foreign ownership of Canadian based assets. So, even with the lure of a more competitive marketplace, many(if not a majority) of Canadians would back the CRTC ruling out of patriotic fervor. | |
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Re: Regulationsee how you feel about cell phones in Canada after you get the bill. I could give a rats ass who owns the company. Just give me a bill that is under 50$ a month and some good rates on data. | |
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Well I may not be a member of the CanPol forums but I would strongly disagree.
Most Canadians have been howling to end the CRTC's CanCon and foreign ownership rules in the Telecom sector for years.
The only thing these rules have managed to do is create cancerous homegrown monopolies who will stifle innovation for years to come even after these rules are finally struck down. | |
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said by FFH5:[And don't kid yourself about Canada. The majority are moderately xenophobic and have rules in many industries that discourage or prohibit foreign ownership. Not wanting American ownership of Canadian assets hardly qualifies as xenophobia. Whenever you give Americans anything they just take take take. Ask any other country they've done business with. | |
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Robert
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2009-Oct-30 4:28 pm
Re: Regulationsaid by El Quintron:said by FFH5:[And don't kid yourself about Canada. The majority are moderately xenophobic and have rules in many industries that discourage or prohibit foreign ownership. Not wanting American ownership of Canadian assets hardly qualifies as xenophobia. Whenever you give Americans anything they just take take take. Ask any other country they've done business with. China? Japan? The EU? I'm not sure any would back up your claim, because it isn't true. It's more like foreign countries want the U.S. to give give give and we do. | |
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Re: RegulationKinda like you get our water and hydro at a discount?
And when the blackout happened your news media had the nerve to blame the problem on Canada when it actually originated in Ohio.
What I'm saying (to TK) is this:
The notion that politically mouthy Canadians don't want foreign investment is bullshit at best and slanderous at worst. What they don't want is hollowing out of nationally vital industries, especially not having yet more Canadian dollars flow into the US. | |
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Robert
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2009-Oct-30 4:37 pm
Re: Regulationsaid by El Quintron:Kinda like you get our water and hydro at a discount? And when the blackout happened your news media had the nerve to blame the problem on Canada when it actually originated in Ohio. What I'm saying (to TK) is this: The notion that politically mouthy Canadians don't want foreign investment is bullshit at best and slanderous at worst. What they don't want is hollowing out of nationally vital industries, especially not having yet more Canadian dollars flow into the US. It sounds like your issue is with your own government and not the United States. | |
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The Canadian ownership rules stop dividends and wealth from leaving Canada. If it wasn't for those rules, all of Canada would look like Detroit. US companies would buy canadian assets and shut them down permanently. | |
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Really? wow I had no idea that I was willing to spew money out my ass to support a Canadian company instead of a foreign owned company.
I, aswell as many other Canadians would pay whoever costs less, regardless of ownership.
However, if two companies had the same pricing and one was Canadian and the other was not, THEN I would support the Canadian owned company.
Kim Jong Il could own the company for all I care, just as long as I get my cheaper prices | |
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said by Luongo :
Most countries have this kind of regulation. The US is the worst for it, anything that is not "made in America" and so on is hated. Are there any foreign-owned phone companies in the US? Think about it.
And what about all the "buy American" provisions in the stimulus?
If you are going to whine about protectionism, look in your own back yard! T-Mobile is owned by Deutsche Telekom. So yes, there ARE FOREIGN-OWNED phone companies sin the U.S. | |
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said by Luongo :
Most countries have this kind of regulation. The US is the worst for it, anything that is not "made in America" and so on is hated. Are there any foreign-owned phone companies in the US? Think about it.
And what about all the "buy American" provisions in the stimulus?
If you are going to whine about protectionism, look in your own back yard! IMO, in America we are quite the opposite. We are not protectionist enough, which is why when the dollar falls, the Europeans and Arabs buy up everything. As for the stimulus, yes it should be buy American, because it's taxpayer dollars. | |
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said by Luongo :
Most countries have this kind of regulation. The US is the worst for it, anything that is not "made in America" and so on is hated. Are there any foreign-owned phone companies in the US? Think about it.
And what about all the "buy American" provisions in the stimulus?
If you are going to whine about protectionism, look in your own back yard! Why shouldn't we use our tax payer dollars to fund local industries? The sense of entitlement you exhibit is absolutely amazing. | |
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said by Luongo :
Most countries have this kind of regulation. The US is the worst for it, anything that is not "made in America" and so on is hated. Are there any foreign-owned phone companies in the US? Think about it.
And what about all the "buy American" provisions in the stimulus?
If you are going to whine about protectionism, look in your own back yard! Hated, yes; however, other than such provisions in the Recovery Act (which I would have voted NAY on, as they are indeed blatantly protectionist), they are usually NOT legislated against. (Also, the *domestic* provisions of the Recovery Act don't apply to either Canadian or Mexican companies, thanks to NAFTA, or to any country which enjoys MFN trade status with the US.) Thanks to such regulation, Bell Canada, Rogers, and Shaw are perfectly within their rights to set up shop and compete with our ILECs, CLECs, and cable companies. So, why haven't they? | |
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How DoesA Company get approved by one agency, buy spectrum and then get banned?
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John25696
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2009-Oct-30 2:37 pm
Chicken wings, I like themThe CRTC is right on this one. Foreign power over any major industry/business weakens the country giving foreigners power over its eternal affairs. What they did is absolutely right, and suprising as a mater of fact; I did not know such fundamentals are still understood. As for problems the country already has with some of its companies it should go after those very same companies and eventualy after the very roots of this system that so grossly rewards greed. But that is another story. In the mean time fixing one problem by adding another, or adding a little 'patch' is foolish. | |
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What total B.S.There was a fellow many years ago who wanted his country to be 'pure' of foreign types of people too. I think his name was Hitler. Canada exhibits the same type of inward turning rules and regulations. But not the killing of those that are not Heritage worthy. Try BC in 2010. Our Canadian Constitution and Civil rights will be null and void for at least two months. Subject to $10,000 fines and 6 months jail for protest signs on private property. Oh, but Canadians would never protest. We are just too damn nice. Try our brand of Pepper Spray if you like. Canada's Competition Bureau. » www.cb-bc.gc.ca/eic/site ··· eng/homeAnd some 'Canadian' ownership people are just shills. Look at Hughesnet satellite Internet in Canada. Hughesnet calls the shots, But Xplornet(and a couple of others) does the billing as a reseller. | |
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It's Not Over Til It's Over...This is far from final. Globalive has far too much already invested in Canada. It also has the blessing of Industry Canada which is the government of the day. | |
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Re: It's Not Over Til It's Over...Except the Industry Canada blessing comes with a disclaimer that the licensee must also pass a CRTC hearing on foreign ownership. It is stated clearly on the same letter that Industry Canada issues to award the licenses.
Globalive knew from day 1 that this would be an issue. | |
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The only possible outcomeThe CRTC made the only decision they were allowed to under Canadian law. Anyone who sat in on the hearings with Globalive and the other presenters could tell that without a doubt Globalive was non-compliant. The CRTC did not have the authority to ignore the law or vary its application. Globalive was either compliant or not, and the CRTC found they were not.
This is not the end of it. There are lots of options and eventually Globalive in some form or another will launch in Canada.
I support the decision. Canada is my country and I expect people and companies to obey the laws of my country. I am disgusted at the thought of foreign companies trying to enter the country, break the laws and then extract jobs and money back out. It is not a case of whether we or they believe the law is correct. It is only a matter that right now it is the law. | |
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2009-Oct-30 3:23 pm
Europe - USAI think if you look at the transatlantic relationship, the share of the economy controlled by the us in western europe and europe in the us, each controls roughly about 20% of the others economic output, it's the single largest investment relationship in the world as both together are around half of world gd(w?)p. You can't really blame the Canadians for feeling a bit protectionist , even if it results in higher prices and lower consumer choice. | |
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33358088 (banned)
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2009-Oct-30 3:44 pm
if globalive were seriousthe main guy that owns 2/3 would sell a 3rd then when hes at 49.9% which is technically in any HUGE company a controlling interest anyhow, this could be approved
HEY why not sell it to TSI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OR CAIP | |
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r81984
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2009-Oct-30 4:39 pm
Supporting Monopolies?Why does the CRTC want stop competition?
Price's in the US are high enough with competition. Prices in Canada are just insane with these monopolies. | |
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Re: Supporting Monopolies?Its not that they WANT monopolies, its that they are told to rule in that way so they do. If they didn't, they wouldn't have jobs waiting for them at Bell and Rogers when they're done their stay. | |
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n2jtx
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2009-Oct-31 10:17 am
Re: It seems that there might be hope....Don't get your hopes up. Anytime you have a hearing or a Blue Ribbon Commission the only purpose is to bury the facts and cover the regulators collective a$$es. After having been on Broadband Reports some 8+ years now, I have become jaded. I can tell you when the hearing is done it will be, to quote William Shakespeare, "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing". | |
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Re: entryMaybe we should kick out Best Buy and Future Shop which are 0% Canadian owned. | |
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stufried
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2009-Nov-1 10:12 am
Cell Phones Aren't TV StationsThe U.S. also limits the percentage of foreign ownership. Tmobile US is not 100% owned by TMobile De, but I think the restriction is wrong.
Unlike broadcast media, there is no distinct culture to be preserved through the a mobile phone network. The issue isn't domestic content and programming. Yes, there are very small (almost de minimus) aspects, but any Canadian cell phone company not bent on self destruction will engineer a mobile home page with domestic news, hockey scores, etc, and offer the same in English and French. This is not like the attempts to protect Canadian television shows against the American productions which tend to flow north. | |
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Re: Cell Phones Aren't TV StationsWhat about the Canadian equivalent of the NSA? (Yes; there is one.)
Canadian wiretap laws are practically mirror images of those of the UK; the kerfuffle over *warrantless wiretapping* that threatens every so often to hamstring US jurisprudence isn't an issue in either the UK or Canada, as such wiretapping is fully legal (and without warrants) even if you're a citizen of the country. (Also, if you're an American in either Canada or the UK, the NSA can indeed tune their antennas on your convos. And *of course* the NSA has listening posts in Canada.)
Did Canada's spooks bend the ear (or the arm) of the CRTC? | |
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Just canadaCanada is good for the best foods there i like it.
But their technology as in broadband sucks so bad i feel bad for them. | |
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