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Why Run Fiber When You Can Run Ads That Pretend You Do?
And why not run those ads when nobody stops you from lying?
by Karl Bode Wednesday 04-Nov-2009 tags: Fiber · business · bandwidth · Op/Ed · Oddities
As cable companies have been trying to compete with FiOS and municipal fiber builds, one of their favorite tactics has been advertisements that intentionally distort the difference between core and last-mile fiber. Marketing folk assume that since the public is probably too stupid to understand the difference, they can take some of the shine off of fiber to the home by pretending all fiber is created equal.

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Time Warner Cable has taken the lead on this front, though the tactic is used by most every major cable operator, including Cablevision, Comcast, Cox and Charter. Qwest is of course guilty of this as well, advertising their copper-based ADSL2 and VDSL services as "Qwest Fiber Optic Internet Service."

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By and large, carriers only get wrist slaps for this false advertising.

Most of these wrist slaps come from the National Advertising Division (NAD) of the Council of Better Business Bureau, a voluntary industry remediation forum. NAD was designed, by industry, as a self-regulatory system to handle false advertising disputes without the need for regulator involvement. The down side is that rulings can be ignored by companies, making the process often toothless.

Most recently, NAD ruled against Cablevision for running a series of ads that annoyed Verizon, by claiming Cablevision's network was "America’s most advanced fiber optic network," "state-of-the-art" and "second to none." Verizon has also filed a complaint about a series of Comcast ads that claim the cable giant "already has a fiber-optic network serving ALL customer homes." According to a statement over at the NAD website, NAD asked Comcast to address the ads, but Comcast refused:

The National Advertising Division of the Council of Better Business Bureaus has referred an advertising claim made by Comcast Cable Communications to the Federal Trade Commission for further review, following the company’s decision not to participate in an NAD proceeding. . . In response to NAD’s inquiry, the advertiser said it declined to participate, citing concerns regarding ongoing litigation not directly related to the instant NAD proceeding. NAD noted that it appreciated the sincerity and good faith of both parties, but was disappointed at Comcast’s decision.

A toothless pseudo-regulatory agency designed by industry to be a substitute for real regulators probably shouldn't be surprised by Comcast's decision to laugh off the proceeding. The complaint will now be forwarded to the FTC, who'll likely also ignore the growing industry trend of carriers pretending they offer fiber to the home service. After all, pretending you run fiber is cheaper than actually deploying it, and as long as nobody wants to stop carriers from playing make believe -- the misleading ads will likely continue.

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I remember when Comcast did the same thing.....

And there was one very vocal supporter claiming it was not misleading at all....

Found it. Enjoy the reading.....
»Why on Earth...

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Re: I remember when Comcast did the same thing.....

All ads are misleading to a degree - that is the whole point of them. Ever hear of "buyer beware"? There are NO people that are fooled by ads except morons. And fixing the ad won't help them anyway.

Do you think this ad is 100% accurate?

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vfSFXKlnO0

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Re: I remember when Comcast did the same thing.....

I work with plenty of people with engineering degrees, who have been in the field for years, have doctorates, and are extremely smart, and have no clue what the difference between last-mile fiber and core fiber is. Not everyone grew up with technology, or spends their free time researching it.
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Re: I remember when Comcast did the same thing.....

said by canesfan2001:

Not everyone grew up with technology
If they were born after 1950 they did. I'll give a pass to those older than 60.

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Re: I remember when Comcast did the same thing.....

I guess it was my turn to pay the troll toll.
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Re: I remember when Comcast did the same thing.....

said by canesfan2001:

I guess it was my turn to pay the troll toll.
lmao
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said by ThrowDemsOut:

If they were born after 1950 they did. I'll give a pass to those older than 60.
A pass, huh? Gee thanks.

I guess mainframes and time-sharing weren't "technology".

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said by canesfan2001:

I work with plenty of people with engineering degrees, who have been in the field for years, have doctorates, and are extremely smart, and have no clue what the difference between last-mile fiber and core fiber is. Not everyone grew up with technology, or spends their free time researching it.
And for the most part people don't care. All most people care is that they can turn on their computer, open a web browser, go to google and surf.

Maybe do some IMing or work from home.

But most people don't really care.

Around where I live the choice is between cable and DSL. Cable is available up to 30Mbps but a lot of people are on 5-10Mbps DSL. It is good enough for them.
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Who Cares

Amen to that. Who cares as long as it works. This is a typical story as of late here at Broadband. I think they wake up some days and decide lets bash some companies. Leaving a bad taste in my mouth here. I mean enough is enough.
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said by canesfan2001:

I work with plenty of people with engineering degrees, who have been in the field for years, have doctorates, and are extremely smart, and have no clue what the difference between last-mile fiber and core fiber is. Not everyone grew up with technology, or spends their free time researching it.
Not all engineers have degrees in tangible objects or even useful fields. Tradesmen and technicians need the rubber stamp of an engineer.

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Yes, to a degree. But let's face facts here. Having a fiber backbone and fiber such as Fios are two different things.

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Re: I remember when Comcast did the same thing.....

said by ptrowski:

Having a fiber backbone and fiber such as Fios are two different things.
Yes. I agree. But then the ad never SAID they were the same. Just stated a fact that fiber was involved without explicity explaining the difference between fiber backbone; FTTC; & FTTH.

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Re: I remember when Comcast did the same thing.....

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said by ptrowski:

Having a fiber backbone and fiber such as Fios are two different things.
Yes. I agree. But then the ad never SAID they were the same. Just stated a fact that fiber was involved without explicity explaining the difference between fiber backbone; FTTC; & FTTH.
Right. And why are those ads being run? To combat VZ's version of FTTH which the cable companies or other telco's do not do, hence the pretending going on.
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in that logic they can say that fiber is involved with dialup, because somewhere down the line it is involved.

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said by ptrowski:

Yes, to a degree. But let's face facts here. Having a fiber backbone and fiber such as Fios are two different things.
ummm...true. Cept Comcast, TW and others have far more than just "a fiber backbone".

Fiber to the node takes the fiber right into a customers neighborhood..an investment the cable co's made LONG before
Verizon made theirs.

And, if you were to look at Verizon as a whole with their limited fios rollout..and comcast as a whole with a nationwide fiber to the node network..who really has more fiber in their networks?
IMO..verizon is on the shakier ground when you consider that
and their network consists of much more DSL based hsi service than fios.

And now..Comcast is well into their d3 rollout as well.
IMO..Comcast has much more right from an advertising standpoint to claim what they do than any of the other hsi providers.
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Re: I remember when Comcast did the same thing.....

But let's look at the reason Comcast is running the ads: Verizon promises MUCH better performance because their network is pure fiber to the home. So Comcast is trying to muddy the waters about FTTH vs. FTTN so they can keep performance-minded customers.

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Re: I remember when Comcast did the same thing.....

said by iansltx:

But let's look at the reason Comcast is running the ads: Verizon promises MUCH better performance because their network is pure fiber to the home. So Comcast is trying to muddy the waters about FTTH vs. FTTN so they can keep performance-minded customers.
Muddy the waters?

I don't know about you but I'm pretty darn happy with this Comcast performance..

Last Result:
Download Speed: 19473 kbps (2434.1 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 2023 kbps (252.9 KB/sec transfer rate)

and this isn't even on a D3 network which within a few months it will be.

People are putting WAY too much emphasis on FTTH. It's great technology but it's going to take a LONG time to get to a lot of places and a whole lot of money. Meanwhile..the huge defection of landlines and DSL customers continues.

It's not always the best technology that winds up winning. And, there's nothing really saying that ftth is better for all practical purposes. If people can get 50~100Mb on a d3 fiber/coaxial network..does it really matter ?

I don't think so.
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Re: I remember when Comcast did the same thing.....

Prepare to be flamed by folks who want a connection with more than 10 Mbps up, or a connection with more than 5 Mbps up for under $100.

I have 22/5 Comcast now. It's great compared with any other internet connection I've used, short of my school's connection when you're plugged into Ethernet. However I'd switch in a heartbeat to a connection with 20 Mbps of upload speed. Makes shuttling around TIFF images of past school yearbooks (working on getting them put online) much easier.

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Re: I remember when Comcast did the same thing.....

said by iansltx:

Prepare to be flamed by folks who want a connection with more than 10 Mbps up, or a connection with more than 5 Mbps up for under $100.

I have 22/5 Comcast now. It's great compared with any other internet connection I've used, short of my school's connection when you're plugged into Ethernet. However I'd switch in a heartbeat to a connection with 20 Mbps of upload speed. Makes shuttling around TIFF images of past school yearbooks (working on getting them put online) much easier.
I respect your point but I really think when you look at the big picture..it's going to be D3 that wins out. It's going to be mass marketed on a big scale MUCH faster than Verizon will ever get their FTTH network rolled out. And, the cost to do it for them
is huge compared to the limited number of people who will really wind up all that impressed with the differences.

AND..look at even yourself. If you have 22/5 now..that means you ALSO have 50/10 available to you for UNDER 100.00.
But..you don't have that service. Why? I'd venture it's because of cost and for your purposes right now..the 22/5 at current prices serves you very well.

Look at what it will cost verizon or any telco to get ftth dug into every home in their service area. They need a LOT of customers to make up that multi billion dollar price tag.
And..by then who's to say that D3 isn't at 100/20 or 100/30 long before they even get ftth to someones residence?

I respect what verizon is doing but it comes with a big price tag and a lot of risk. And meanwhile..they continue to lose dsl and landline customers bigtime.
And AT&T? They've never even started with FTTH that I know of. This is really the cable co's game to lose...and companies like TW really should get on the bandwagon with D3 in a big way.
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Re: I remember when Comcast did the same thing.....

50/10 is NOT available to me under $100. I don't have CATV. I don't want to spend $120 (which si what I'd be spending) on internet service that still has that pesky 250GB cap. If I'm paying that much for internet I sure as heck am gonna use it.

AT&T U-Verse has fiber, just not much of it, and without any speed advantage over their anemic VDSL product.

Fiber is the future; cable will eventually have to replace their plant with fiber. However if you have an HFC plant then by all means use it. Just realize that a fiber competitor can win against you on upload speeds, until you get upstream channel bonding in the field. At which point 10GEPON will be out and cable loses, plain and simple. At that point even a 1GHz plant full of DOCSIS channels won't be able to match the capacity of one PON node.

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Re: I remember when Comcast did the same thing.....

Well put. Cable is still trying to milk 40 year old technology designed for television (not unlike DSL on copper pairs designed for POTS) and will end up in the same black hole unless they ditch this dead-end and go with an all fiber plant like FiOS. However, television is still their primary income stream and accounts for the bulk of cable profit so you'll never see them actually do it. By that time forward-thinking companies like Verizon will own the market.

Sucks to be Rick.

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Re: I remember when Comcast did the same thing.....

They will eventually but for the short term DOCSIS 3 can match FIOS downstream speeds with room to grow. If Verizon had an easy, relatively cheap, option for doing FIOS type speeds over copper DSL you can bet they'd be doing it. That's what cable has with DOCSIS 3. It may not scale as far but the question is does it have to? What type of demand is there for 100Mbit+ residential Internet even in the next 5 years? I don't think much at all. 30-50Mbit/sec is going to be sufficient for multiple HD IP video streams and that's the real driving demand for bandwidth these days. As usual the best technology at any given time doesn't automatically win. The winner is the technology that is most practical and you can get into people's hands the quickest. In the short term I think that's going to be DOCSIS 3.

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said by iansltx:

Prepare to be flamed by folks who want a connection with more than 10 Mbps up, or a connection with more than 5 Mbps up for under $100.
Cablevision offers up to 15Mbps up on their 100Mbps tier.

Verizon doesn't even offer a 100Mbps tier.
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Re: I remember when Comcast did the same thing.....

You're correct, Verizon doesn't offer 100 Mbps FiOS because they don't see a need to. They figure that the $300 setup fee will be enough to scare away customers that they want from Cablevision. Also, personally I'll take the extra 5 Mbps up over the extra 50 Mbps down at this point.

I think that when Comcast goes national with 100/15 business ervice you'll see 100 Mbps FiOS get deployed. They've already done trials at employee residences, so the tech is definitely there to match and raise what cablecos have to offer.

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Re: I remember when Comcast did the same thing.....

Fios, from what I understand, being a FTTH product is capable of far more speed than is known at this point. if verizon would just plan strong buildouts they could muscle cable co's but i see verizon as kind of weak in this field from a business standpoint.

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said by Rick :
I don't know about you but I'm pretty darn happy with this Comcast performance..

Last Result:
Download Speed: 19473 kbps (2434.1 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 2023 kbps (252.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
Believe me, fiber to the home is on a whole different level than cable, even if the cable co. has some fiber plant in the network. You have great numbers for a cable connection, but FTTH is just stunning. Compare it to the numbers for my 100M/100M Paxio connection below. (The only reason I don't get the 1000M/1000M connection is that I don't have a firewall/router that can do it justice. Oh, and it costs more! )

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Re: I remember when Comcast did the same thing.....

You forgot to mention that no website can really handle those kind of speeds so it is worthless in my opinion.

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Re: I remember when Comcast did the same thing.....

Except when you want to download/upload from/to different sites/clients at the same time.

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Not to flame, but those are not sustained speeds from Comcast. That's readyboost. Comcast will give you nice speeds on a short speed test, but it's not happening on larger downloads.

To be fair, you aren't going to get those download speeds from most places anyway and readyboost sure makes your normal surfing faster. Comcast customers seem to like it.

Point is, if Verizon were available in your area it is the better choice and Comcast knows it. You may be happy with the inferior technology, but that doesn't make cable honest for pretending they're the same. Sure price and bandwidth caps should be part of the decision between ISPs, but cable knows they have the inferior technology regardless.
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said by iansltx:

So Comcast is trying to muddy the waters about FTTH vs. FTTN so they can keep performance-minded customers.
Those "performance-minded customers" would think they got FTTH if they removed bonzi buddy, mcafee, most of the tray icons, browser toolbars, and all the spyware they installed on their system.
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Re: I remember when Comcast did the same thing.....

???

Performance-minded folks tend to be running OS X or Windows 7 with late-model computers. It's the econo-peeps who are fueling the botnets...
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Performance-minded folks tend to be running OS X or Windows 7 with late-model computers.
Of course they will. Its cheaper and smarter to buy a new computer every year than to pay GeekSquad to de-spyware it or reinstall the OS.

I don't think any REAL performance-minded folks would ever fall for cable internet is fiber in the first place and they wouldn't be so uninformed the cable ads would be accepted at face in the first place, I hope your joking.
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Then may be verizon needs to have ad that also states in the commercial, We have fiber home service.. most likely not in your area add. Considering they advertise the crap and trick dumb people all the time of Baltimore city. They advertise here yet there is no service be sides a few parts. Mainly the county......

The fact is Comcast owns them, FTTN and beyond here in Baltimore city. Verizon uses technology invented in the 1870 here. So really Comcast can claim all day that they have the most advanced network out their. Lets also consider the fact that all of their customers are served by fiber by on way or another. No so with with Verizon.

You know what, I can see Comcast over the Verizon.
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Re: I remember when Comcast did the same thing.....

Verizon has a fiber backbone. I think they were the first ones to test 100 Gbps per wavelength technology several months back. They may not have as much fiber as Comcast in some areas, but FTTH areas make up for that.
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Verizon uses technology invented in the 1870 here.
Really? They had ADSL in 1870?

Voice over copper was patented in 1876.

TV over coax was invented ~1948.

Ethernet was invented in 1973-1975.

When it was invented, Ethernet was available as:

10Base5 (ThickLAN coax)
10Base2 (ThinLAN; RG-58U coax)
10BaseT (UTP; Unshielded Twisted Pair)

Consumer ADSL was first tested in 1988.

DOCSIS 1.0 specs weren't issued until March 1997.

So there is really not that much difference in age between the technologies in use (ADSL and DOCSIS); about nine years. All developed contemporaneously in the last 25 years of the twentieth century.
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said by Rick:

said by ptrowski:

Yes, to a degree. But let's face facts here. Having a fiber backbone and fiber such as Fios are two different things.
ummm...true. Cept Comcast, TW and others have far more than just "a fiber backbone".

Fiber to the node takes the fiber right into a customers neighborhood..an investment the cable co's made LONG before
Verizon made theirs.

And, if you were to look at Verizon as a whole with their limited fios rollout..and comcast as a whole with a nationwide fiber to the node network..who really has more fiber in their networks?
IMO..verizon is on the shakier ground when you consider that
and their network consists of much more DSL based hsi service than fios.

And now..Comcast is well into their d3 rollout as well.
IMO..Comcast has much more right from an advertising standpoint to claim what they do than any of the other hsi providers.
With verizon being part of the internet backbone (MCI/UUNET) and Comcast being part of it does that make any difference to argue over?

In reference to this:
"And now..Comcast is well into their d3 rollout as well.
IMO..Comcast has much more right from an advertising standpoint to claim what they do than any of the other hsi providers."
Comcast has no right to advertise their claims in saying their service provides the full fiber optic service. Technically majority of isp's service is provided over fiber optic in some shape or form. Fiber Optic DS3 OC1-196.

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said by ptrowski:

And there was one very vocal supporter claiming it was not misleading at all....

Found it. Enjoy the reading.....
»Why on Earth...
I wrote it...and just read it again. And still agree completely.
Comcast DOES have a fiber network service ALL their customers.
Interesting that the company that has a problem with them saying that only has fios in a limited # of places. (with expansion plans on hold now as well if what BBR has reported lately is accurate?)

BTW..shortly after that ran didn't you ditch your telco service for cable CHSI to?

I thought so.
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Re: I remember when Comcast did the same thing.....

said by Rick:

said by ptrowski:

And there was one very vocal supporter claiming it was not misleading at all....

Found it. Enjoy the reading.....
»Why on Earth...
I wrote it...and just read it again. And still agree completely.
Comcast DOES have a fiber network service ALL their customers.
I am also served by fiber. Have been since I signed up for Pacific Bell DSL Service in February, 2001.
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said by Rick:

said by ptrowski:

And there was one very vocal supporter claiming it was not misleading at all....

Found it. Enjoy the reading.....
»Why on Earth...
I wrote it...and just read it again. And still agree completely.
Comcast DOES have a fiber network service ALL their customers.
Interesting that the company that has a problem with them saying that only has fios in a limited # of places. (with expansion plans on hold now as well if what BBR has reported lately is accurate?)

BTW..shortly after that ran didn't you ditch your telco service for cable CHSI to?

I thought so.
By that token, if CC had a fiber connection between 2 switches ONLY in their core network and everything else was copper, their statement would still be true, right ?
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said by WernerSchutz:

By that token, if CC had a fiber connection between 2 switches ONLY in their core network and everything else was copper, their statement would still be true, right ?
And Verizon, ATT and Quest have been delivering Fiber Optics straight to you for over 30 years. 3 decades of reliability and trust by customers for Verizon, ATT and Quest 's Fiber Optic network.

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By that token, if CC had a fiber connection between 2 switches ONLY in their core network and everything else was copper, their statement would still be true, right ?
Except that is a straw man argument, because that is not true. Comcast has fiber to the node, and has had it for years, and that is what they are advertising. They're not advertising that they have fiber just somewhere.

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said by Rick:

said by ptrowski:

And there was one very vocal supporter claiming it was not misleading at all....

Found it. Enjoy the reading.....
»Why on Earth...
I wrote it...and just read it again. And still agree completely.
Comcast DOES have a fiber network service ALL their customers.
Interesting that the company that has a problem with them saying that only has fios in a limited # of places. (with expansion plans on hold now as well if what BBR has reported lately is accurate?)

BTW..shortly after that ran didn't you ditch your telco service for cable CHSI to?

I thought so.
Yes, about 10 months ago. Pros are that the cable company in my area provides up to 10 mb down and 1 mb up for $70 a month. Do I consistently hit those speeds? Not at all. Now my AT&T DSL was the elite package, which was around $40 a month for 6/512 but it never waivered. So I am on the fence.
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Warp Speed internet

were can i get this

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said by Anonymous_:

were can i get this

Warp drive is a faster-than-light (FTL) propulsion system in the universe of many science fiction setting
They should develop warp speed internet. Then my ping times would go down.
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said by Anonymous_:

were can i get this

Warp drive is a faster-than-light (FTL) propulsion system in the universe of many science fiction setting
They should develop warp speed internet. Then my ping times would go down.
If they would only use Thiotimoline in the processing of fiber. Then you might have -1120 ms ping times!
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Warp Speed is a faster-than-light (FTL) propulsion system in the universe

Does this mean my data will go faster then the speed of light?

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Any speed other than 0 warps space-time. It is only a matter of how much. GPS satellites have to have their clocks running slow because they are moving and they aren't moving anywhere close to c.

Actually I prefer my data move at ludicrous speed.

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Re: SUE

said by Z80:

Any speed other than 0 warps space-time. It is only a matter of how much. GPS satellites have to have their clocks running slow because they are moving and they aren't moving anywhere close to c.

Actually I prefer my data move at ludicrous speed.
I would prefer my data to go plaid.
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»www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk7VWcuVOf0


mandatory link

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Re: SUE

thank you. i needed this.

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said by Anonymous_:

Does this mean my data will go faster then the speed of light?
Since the velocity of propagation of coax cable is greater than fiber optic cable, yes.

Simba7

join:2003-03-24
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Fiber is not Copper..

I remember these ads..

I looked at Qwest's "Fiber Optic Internet" offering and was like "Copper is *NOT* fiber.. Not even close.."

If I sign up for "Fiber Optic Internet", I'd better have a fiber going directly to my router.

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majortom1029

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hmm

Well Just because verizons fios uses fiber it doesnt mean anything. Considering verizon is not giving all fios customers 100/100 connections what does it matter.

Cablevision is doing a decent job of competing with copper. Also considering fios uses the same way of bringing cable to the houses just over fiber means something also.

Couldnt cable move internet related services above 850mhz, get rid of analog channels live verizon did to get the same tv quality ?

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burgerwars

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All Fiber Diet

I guess one can't argue with logic that if your network just has one foot of fiber, then it's a "fiber network."

Anyway, my argument isn't with Time Warner or Comcast, but AT&T. Their U-Verse fiber stops way down the street from me, and is copper the rest. So whoever's fiber gets right to my house first, gets to keep me as a customer. But I don't have my hopes up.

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Re: All Fiber Diet

said by burgerwars:

I guess one can't argue with logic that if your network just has one foot of fiber, then it's a "fiber network."
Except that none of these companies are saying that. Cable has had fiber to the node for well over 10 years. They aren't trying to say that they have fiber between 2 routers somewhere in their network.

Why do people keep saying this as if this is what is being advertised?

Even the main article is misleading, because it says "core" fiber, and the author knows FULL WELL that the cable companies have fiber to the node and are not talking just about "core" fiber. Nodes are not the "core."
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RFoG Radio Frequency over Glass is not digital.

If you check out this link:

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Freq···er_Glass

You will find that most Cable Companies are using fiber for RFoG which is not true digital technology. All they are doing is sending the old NTSC Channel Frequencies over Fiber. In reality that is not high tech and is what I call CATV double talk. More double B.S. as the Cable industry lies about the last mile and infers that the way the Cable Industry uses fiber is the same as the telephone companies use of FiOS.

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TheKnossos

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Argyle, TX

Might as well keep things consistent...

If the cable companies are pretending a fiber backbone is the same as fiber last-mile, why don't they just advertise their connections as "up to 622mbps" or more?
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Re: Might as well keep things consistent...

Because DSL already has the market cornered on using "up to" to advertise speeds it will never hit.
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said by TheKnossos:

If the cable companies are pretending a fiber backbone is the same as fiber last-mile, why don't they just advertise their connections as "up to 622mbps" or more?
Upto 622mbps with our Turbo Accelerator Toolbar!*

*Extrapolated speed using sub-second measuring. Actual speeds may vary.

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I'm sure there's a Map for that too

And then they can sue again !

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jdjbuffalo

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FTC

This is what the FTC is supposed to be for. But it's a limpwristed agency that serves no real purpose...

For once, this is one thing that the UK does better than the US. Their regulators actually do something. When a company makes a false claim, regulators make them pull the ad.

It'd be nice if we saw the same kind of changes at the FTC that we are seeing at the FCC. I'd like to see them make the following mandatory:
1. You have to stop running the ad immediately.
2. You have to run an apology ad describing what mistake was in your previous ad, why it was wrong and that you are sorry for misleading the public. This ad has to be run in the same timeslots and for as long as the original ad ran.
3. You have to pay a fine of say 1 Million dollars.

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Re: FTC

said by jdjbuffalo:

This is what the FTC is supposed to be for. But it's a limpwristed agency that serves no real purpose...

For once, this is one thing that the UK does better than the US. Their regulators actually do something. When a company makes a false claim, regulators make them pull the ad.

It'd be nice if we saw the same kind of changes at the FTC that we are seeing at the FCC. I'd like to see them make the following mandatory:
1. You have to stop running the ad immediately.
2. You have to run an apology ad describing what mistake was in your previous ad, why it was wrong and that you are sorry for misleading the public. This ad has to be run in the same timeslots and for as long as the original ad ran.
3. You have to pay a fine of say 1 Million dollars.
You mean elsewhere in the world you can't spout complete horseshit* and disclaim it?




*no actual horses were harmed in the typing of this post
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Finally

A story that exposes the truth on the false ads. I know that all cables companies are not 100 percent true fiber but yet they continue to advertise like they are. I always wondered why no watch dog group has stood up and sued them.
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Re: Finally

said by Sr Tech:

A story that exposes the truth on the false ads. I know that all cables companies are not 100 percent true fiber but yet they continue to advertise like they are. I always wondered why no watch dog group has stood up and sued them.
But they have fiber everywhere, in the fiberglass messenger wire:p
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BBB. LMAO

the BBB! LMAO! They're nothing but a bunch of POS assholes that have nothing better to do but bitch about companies and make them look back when they refuse to pay their extortion fees to protect them.

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Bell Canada pretentds its copper is fibre !

Bell Canada advertises its ancient copper based network as "fibre". In fact, it brands it as "Optinet" when you subscribe to speeds higher than 5mbps.

Brags about the best fibre network etc etc, just like the cable companies in the USA. My guess is that they have all hired the same PR firm who has told them to share the same tactic to make it look like they have an all fibre network without actually stating it.

I suspect that the choice of words is done carefully to give that illusion without being illegal at the pedantic level.
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Re: Bell Canada pretentds its copper is fibre !

give up bce is lost cause
if you think the govt is protecting fraudsters sue the conservatives
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These ads do work!!

kudos to them, comcast was advertising their internet service as 100% fiber in my area.
Recently I was talking to an employee at a computer store and I asked him what kind of internet he has. He said he had fiber and i was surprised because there is no such a thing as "fiber internet" in Memphis. Then he told me to switch to comcast because they have fiber and awesome speeds. I immediately left.
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about fiber

well see here in rural northwest ohio there is alot of smaller telco are coming out with FTTH/FTTP because they know that verizon will not come into the area with there FIOS. Matter as fact I work for bright.net as a tech support and most of bright.net network is on the fiber ring.

We offer:
cable
wireless (starting to do WiMax)
fiber (FTTH,SWAN On DSL Conenctions)
dial up
DSL

so I could see more smaller telco's having FTTH/FTTP its just matter of time before they can do this.
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Re: about fiber

all of Bright.net ISP connected to that Fiber Ring. Contact the actual company that owns the Bright.net name and ask them for details they'll tell you.

Wireless via the BRight.net brands is a laugh. DSL is a laugh, dial-up is still over priced, and cable is only with 1 provider of the brand (and they don't really even USE it anymore). Fiber prices are hit or miss really because they don't list them online.

Bright.net needs to lower their prices especially since the numbers for Dial-up are OWNED by the co-op phone company that usually OWNS the ISP portion as well.

And if they're doing WiMax they're already lost on the game. Much of Toledo is already being covered with WiMax from an out of state ISP. AND NOW Clear is advertising for employees in Toledo. You don't advertise for a Networks Ops manager, Sales Manager, and a General Manager for nothing. Cleveland has the same job listings posted. Bright.net lost their nitche and they'll feel the pinch.

FastiBook

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Anyone.........

Anyone who would take stuff on tv at face value without researching a ton on their own is a chump.

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FYI:

if you don't have an ONT in your house somewhere, you aren't getting fiber from your ISP. its as simple as that.
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When I lived in Tucson in 2002...

When I lived in Tucson in 2002, all the Qwest trucks had a logo made up of a curled piece of fiber lettered "Ride the Light" .

Of course, what they OFFERED for 'broadband' was 640 kbps down, 256 kbps up DSL.

We used to call it Qworst: Ride the lie!
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Why have internet at all

copyright so strict you cant pee without a new patent fee
and liscence arrangement
throttling and caps...LIKE how about 600 million people say FUCK YOU

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Angels on the Head of a Pin

The arguments about FTTN and FTTP don't matter.
What matters is consistent performance and customer satisfaction.
I've had cable, copper and FiOS.

I prefer FiOS.

You can quote me on that.
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FastiBook

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Re: Angels on the Head of a Pin

I think what a lot of people are saying, is that as neat as RF can be, or POTS, or digital over copper, fiber optics is like touching the moon rock vs using thick rubber gloves.

That being said, i personally agree. I mean, it's light coming into my house and going from my house from out in the world. All they need to to make a seriously beefy home connection is run another line and swap out the ONT, but unless you're a college campus or CERN i don't think you'd need that.

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