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Years of complaints 'resolved' by $2 bill credits...
09:00AM Wednesday Nov 11 2009 by Karl Bode
tags: business · Verizon Online DSL
While Verizon gets a lot of warranted attention for investing heavily in fiber to the home, the last few years have seen a growing number of allegations that this investment came at the cost of neglected DSL and landline networks. Union workers have told us they aren't getting the tools and resources they need to support DSL & landline customers effectively, and in some states the resulting service issues have been obvious. Florida in particular has been a problem spot for Verizon, with higher than normal customer complaints, and union employees picketing Verizon offices last year.

Regulators investigated, and found that lack of prompt repairs were leading to extended outages for customers. After many months of debating how these complaints should be resolved, Verizon yesterday agreed to refund customers $1.75 million and pay the state another $250,000. Of that $250,000, about half of it will be going to the state's the state's Lifeline Assistance program, which was designed to aid elderly and low-income Floridians.

What does this mean if you're a Verizon customer in Florida? According to the Associated Press, Verizon has roughly 900,000 customers across six Florida counties. Each one of them should see a whopping $2 credit on their bill sometime in the next ninety days.

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Gary A

join:2008-03-02
Odessa, FL
·Embarq
·Verizon FIOS

$2

Ooooo... I can hardly wait to get my $2. That will more than make up for the $25 monthly increase I will be getting when my 2 year FiOS triple-play bundle contract finally has to be renewed.

TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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Avalon, NJ
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast

Re: $2

said by Gary A See Profile :

make up for the $25 monthly increase I will be getting when my 2 year FiOS triple-play bundle contract finally has to be renewed.
Threaten to jump to cable and you will keep your discount.

NY Tel
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Smithtown, NY
·VOIPo

Re: $2

said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by Gary A See Profile :

make up for the $25 monthly increase I will be getting when my 2 year FiOS triple-play bundle contract finally has to be renewed.
Threaten to jump to cable and you will keep your discount.
I second that. They do have SOME leeway to negotiate getting you on the "current" discount plan.

Gary A

join:2008-03-02
Odessa, FL
·Embarq
·Verizon FIOS

Re: $2

Reading what some FiOS bundle customers have posted here in the FiOS forum, the typical discount they have gotten from the Retention Dept is $5-10.

But am I surprised after 2 years at $94.99 for the "old" triple play bundle - NO. Disappointed but not surprised.

NY Tel
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join:2004-04-09
Smithtown, NY

Re: $2

I was paying 120 for TV and Internet and I re-negotiated and got it all for 96.99 a month for a 1 year contract.

Gary A

join:2008-03-02
Odessa, FL
·Embarq
·Verizon FIOS

Re: $2

said by NY Tel See Profile :

I was paying 120 for TV and Internet and I re-negotiated and got it all for 96.99 a month for a 1 year contract.
Yup! We've all seen that you folks in NY get better deals than the rest of us due to the competition.

NY Tel
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·VOIPo

Re: $2

said by Gary A See Profile :

said by NY Tel See Profile :

I was paying 120 for TV and Internet and I re-negotiated and got it all for 96.99 a month for a 1 year contract.
Yup! We've all seen that you folks in NY get better deals than the rest of us due to the competition.
Oh, yeah....well if it makes you feel any better, we are taxed to death here...

Gary A

join:2008-03-02
Odessa, FL
·Embarq
·Verizon FIOS

Re: $2

said by NY Tel See Profile :

said by Gary A See Profile :

said by NY Tel See Profile :

I was paying 120 for TV and Internet and I re-negotiated and got it all for 96.99 a month for a 1 year contract.
Yup! We've all seen that you folks in NY get better deals than the rest of us due to the competition.
Oh, yeah....well if it makes you feel any better, we are taxed to death here...
Pay me now, or pay me later...LOL!

NY Tel
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Smithtown, NY

Re: $2

said by Gary A See Profile :

Pay me now, or pay me later...LOL!
Yup.
hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
and that's what happens when you sign up for FiOS. That should have not been a surprise when you signed up that it would jump that much. We're talking about a Telco after all. You never see Cable's rates jump $25 at any time all at once.
openbox9

join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast

Re: $2

said by hottboiinnc See Profile :

You never see Cable's rates jump $25 at any time all at once.
You do when your contract/intro pricing expires
jjeffeory

join:2002-12-04
USA

Re: $2

Absolutely! Let that contract/intro rate expire and you can see a doubling in the price of services!
hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH

Re: $2

i re-bundle and get the same price again.
k1ll3rdr4g0n

join:2005-03-19
Homer Glen, IL

Time to hit the dollar menu at Mcdonalds!

Wohoo, $2.
Why did they even bother? I think it would be worth more to just give it all to the government. At the rate we are going, we will need every bandaid we can get. For those who are like "but the money should go to the customers!", I think you need to open a news paper and see how screwed we really are. And if you are really willing to argue over $2, then I don't think you should have the service in the first place if you were that tight on cash.
Of course, I would be fine with the money going to the government just as long as the money doesn't go to **AA. And, you know, I wouldn't mind if it got funneled down to me either (I have a government job).
lesopp

join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL

Show Me The Money

Now that the "regulators" determined returning $2 to every customer is better than making Verizon put the money into fixing the problem, I prefer a cashiers check to a credit on my phone bill.

n2jtx

join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
·Optimum Online

$250,000 For Lifeline?!?!

Gee, they are ponying up $250,000 for lifeline assistance yet who winds up with the money in the end? Verizon! I wouldn't be surprised if they figure out a way to take a tax deduction on it since it is helping the poor. If they can get away with the Reverse Morris Trust tax breaks, why not this?
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bicker

join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA

High Quality versus Low Quality

The problem is that folks want low cost and high quality. They're not willing to pay top dollar for DSL & landline, yet they expect an extraordinary amount of resources to be directed towards supporting those services. That lack of reasonableness on the part of consumers and regulators is why Verizon has been abandoning offering such services.

If we make it "not worth" offering something, companies, if they are well-run, will oblige us but not offering those things. So either we accept that low-cost means lower quality, or we accept that low-cost means phasing out provision of service. Anything else is unreasonable.
8744675

join:2000-10-10
Decatur, GA

Re: High Quality versus Low Quality

While the rest of the world enjoys even lower cost, much higher quality and good customer service, we would be willing to settle for low cost and high quality, without providers treating us like pariah and whining about having to actually provide us with the level of service that they promise.

The way that corporate America treats it's customers these days is appalling. They whine, whine wine....all the way to the bank.

bionicRod

join:2009-07-06
Jefferson City, MO
·Mediacom


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Re: High Quality versus Low Quality

bicker said:

The problem is that folks want low cost and high quality. They're not willing to pay top dollar for DSL & landline, yet they expect an extraordinary amount of resources to be directed towards supporting those services.

...WHAT?!? People want the stuff that companies offer, and that they pay for UNDER THE COMPANY'S TERMS, to, I don't know....actually WORK. If VZW doesn't want to keep up the older copper network and concentrate on FIOS, that's their call. Stop accepting people's payments and don't offer the service. As long as they offer these services and charge for them, they have to work. I really don't understand your point of view here.
bicker

join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA

Re: High Quality versus Low Quality

said by bionicRod See Profile :

If VZW doesn't want to keep up the older copper network and concentrate on FIOS, that's their call.
No it isn't. They are forced to continue offering terrestrial copper landline service. The quality of service, or lack thereof, that you're experiencing, therefore, is a reflection of the regulators and/or market forces forcing a company to do something, and then not allowing them to charge enough to provide the level of service the you personally would want. Instead, the regulators and/or market forces specify a lower cost structure, to justify a lower price structure, to maintain affordable service. That's the PEOPLE'S choice: Lower quality matching the lower price than the service provider would charge for a more premium level offering.

said by bionicRod See Profile :

As long as they offer these services and charge for them, they have to work.
They only "have to work" as specified by the QoS standards, not your personal standards.

said by bionicRod See Profile :

I really don't understand your point of view here.
I'm sure you're not alone. Consumers often have a hard time applying reasonable standards to the quality/price scenario when they're the ones consuming the service.
jjeffeory

join:2002-12-04
USA

Re: High Quality versus Low Quality

Hmmmm, this sounds like a spoiled little kid getting back at mommy and daddy by punishing it's pet. Wow, that's what Verizon thinks of it's customers? It used to be that companies had to work had for their customers. Now they're so big they can just treat the customer how they please. That sure does sound like fascism/corporatism to me.
bicker

join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA

Re: High Quality versus Low Quality

said by jjeffeory See Profile :

Hmmmm, this sounds like a spoiled little kid getting back at mommy and daddy by punishing it's pet.
That is indeed what many of the criticisms of Verizon in this thread sound like.

said by jjeffeory See Profile :

It used to be that companies had to work had for their customers.
When customers are willing to pay for what they want, surely, that is still the case. When consumers are unreasonable, and act like, as you say, "spoiled little kids" then that's when there is a problem.

said by jjeffeory See Profile :

... fascism ...
I don't think you know what that word means.
sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH

Allow me to explain to you what should be most obvious. Companies have no real rights. Nothing in the constitution states that corporations should exist and be given protection by the government, as well as all the other various laws in place to protect them and their investors.

Verizon has no rights. There is nothing `reasonable` or `unreasonable` about what consumers expect from them.

The other aspect of this argument is that Verizon is an extremely, incredibly profitable company. They`re making billions in profits every year despite the very expensive layout of fiber and upgrades to LTE. There is no reason for them to be skimping on landline maintenance on account of `cost, certainly not without providing actual proof that their costs are higher than their income.
bicker

join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA

Re: High Quality versus Low Quality

said by sonicmerlin See Profile :

Allow me to explain to you what should be most obvious. Companies have no real rights.
Their owners do. And your perspective would deprive the owners of their rights. Your perspective is indefensible.

said by sonicmerlin See Profile :

There is nothing `reasonable` or `unreasonable` about what consumers expect from them.
That's ridiculous. You're simply trying to rationalize bad behavior by consumers by trying to avoid the reality that business is always a two way street: Consumers motivate companies to provide them what they want. That's the way of the world.

said by sonicmerlin See Profile :

The other aspect of this argument is that Verizon is an extremely, incredibly profitable company. They`re making billions in profits every year
But not on the things you want them to spend money on. Let the market determine what is important to invest in by what the market is willing to pay for. If the money isn't there to support the service, then either let the company decommission the service or accept that the service level will vary to match the extent to which consumers are willing to pay for good service.

dialupleast

@xmission.com

No, people want at least the same quality they had with dialup at a reasonable rate. We get neither. If Verizon doesn't want to provide basic telephone or DSL support they should get out of the business and let someone else provide it. Instead they lock us into their oligopoly and do us a disservice.
bicker

join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA

Re: High Quality versus Low Quality

said by dialupleast :

No, people want at least the same quality they had with dialup at a reasonable rate.
If you think that you're getting worse Internet from broadband than you got from dial-up, then we have nothing further to discuss.



said by dialupleast :

If Verizon doesn't want to provide basic telephone or DSL support they should get out of the business and let someone else provide it.
Nobody wants to. Consumers don't make it worthwhile.
elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
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·Verizon Online DSL

said by dialupleast :

... If Verizon doesn't want to provide basic telephone or DSL support they should get out of the business and let someone else provide it.
Verizon has done exactly that ... much to the chagrin of the more vocal members of this forum.
Dolgan
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quote:
The problem is that folks want low cost and high quality. They're not willing to pay top dollar for DSL & landline, yet they expect an extraordinary amount of resources to be directed towards supporting those services. That lack of reasonableness on the part of consumers and regulators is why Verizon has been abandoning offering such services.
What a load of crap. Verizon does have the money to maintain the network, but it goes into the pockets of the Executives with their obscene bonuses. The company is becoming more and more top heavy with all the layoffs and buyouts of the Techs. Maybe if they started to cutout the unnecessary Executive and Management positions, instead of the positions that deal directly with the customers and network maintainence, Verizon would not have this problem. Furthemore, the low take rates on FIOS is, in part, due to lack of service consumers have received on their POTS service. Management always has an excuse for repair and install delays--maybe if they actually resolved issues instead of providing lip service they could win back some of the consumers' trust.
bicker

join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA

Re: High Quality versus Low Quality

said by Dolgan See Profile :

What a load of crap. Verizon does have the money to maintain the network, but it goes into the pockets of the Executives with their obscene bonuses.
What a load of crap. That just sounds like consumerist nonsense.
Dolgan
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Sun Prairie, WI
·Verizon Online DSL

Re: High Quality versus Low Quality

Must be Verizon Exec with that attitude.

Unfortunately it costs money[and manpower] to maintain a network properly. If Verizon believes they can not make money on their landlines[FIOS or POTS] due to these costs, then they should get out of the landline business and become strictly a wireless company.
bicker

join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA


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Re: High Quality versus Low Quality

said by Dolgan See Profile :

Must be Verizon Exec with that attitude.
No: Just a reasonable adult. There is no justification for expecting a company to do something that isn't going to serve the obligations of the company.

said by Dolgan See Profile :

Unfortunately it costs money[and manpower] to maintain a network properly. If Verizon believes they can not make money on their landlines[FIOS or POTS] due to these costs, then they should get out of the landline business and become strictly a wireless company.
and wireless and fiber... They're trying to get out of the landline business, but some people refuse to let them sunset their copper business. Those folks are being unreasonable effectively forcing Verizon to continue operating a business that consumers and regulators simply don't want to pay for.
sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH

said by bicker See Profile :

said by Dolgan See Profile :

What a load of crap. Verizon does have the money to maintain the network, but it goes into the pockets of the Executives with their obscene bonuses.
What a load of crap. That just sounds like consumerist nonsense.
Are they profitable, yes or no?

Is it guaranteed in the constitution that they will make a huge profit every year, yes or no?
alchav

join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC

said by bicker See Profile :

The problem is that folks want low cost and high quality. They're not willing to pay top dollar for DSL & landline, yet they expect an extraordinary amount of resources to be directed towards supporting those services. That lack of reasonableness on the part of consumers and regulators is why Verizon has been abandoning offering such services.
It cost money to use and maintain old Copper Infrastructures. This Copper goes back to the Central Office and ties into old obsolete equipment. Now the FiOS that Verizon has been deploying, goes back to new Digital Equipment. So if you were running a Company, would you spend money on replacing and maintaining old Copper that goes back to obsolete equipment? The answer is simple, Fiber is the Future I want it!
bicker

join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA

Re: High Quality versus Low Quality

said by alchav See Profile :

It cost money to use and maintain old Copper Infrastructures. This Copper goes back to the Central Office and ties into old obsolete equipment. Now the FiOS that Verizon has been deploying, goes back to new Digital Equipment. So if you were running a Company, would you spend money on replacing and maintaining old Copper that goes back to obsolete equipment? The answer is simple, Fiber is the Future I want it!
Absolutely, and it is an offering that customers are actually willing to pay the price for the level of service that they want, unlike with copper where customers are unwilling to pay for the level of service they want.
jjeffeory

join:2002-12-04
USA

Well then Verizon needs to more rapidly deploy the new technology so that these problems go away. Instead they're doing it too slowly and this whole situation is the result. I LOVED Fios when I had it, but it now seems too expensive and I see that Verizon is doing some very "interesting" things overall. It makes me wonder if I want to do business with them again.
nasadude

join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast

$26,600,000,000

"Verizon's total operating revenues grew 11.6 percent to $26.6 billion in Q1 09."

2 x 10*6 / 26.6 x 10*9 = 0.075 x 10*-3

or, to put it in english: the $2M fine represents 0.00075% of Verizon's operating revenue.

wow, that's gotta hurt - I know if I lost 0.00075% of my income, I would.......notice it?
openbox9

join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA

Re: $26,600,000,000

What's VZ's net income in FL?

yolarry

join:2007-12-29
Creston, WV

Why not 5 dollars???

I want a foot long each month from subway :|

rsa0

join:2003-01-25
Birmingham, AL

Where is the map for that ?

Having crappy Verizon service in FL ?! they got a map for that
For everything else, there is 2$ for ya'

batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
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·Verizon Online DSL

Hang em' high.

Verizon has 900,000 customers in Flori'duh and in 2008 194 had extended outages. So a politician and an insurance hustler got to make some political hay.

Verizon was accused of not providing "Lifeline" service to triple play customers. If a mouth breather can afford CATV and Internet why should tax payers and Verizon subsidies voice? I'm sure Vontage will give them a discount on VoIP.

Verizon could have used that $2,000,000.00 to finish running FIOS in my town. Verizon should have remained Bellatlantic and not gotten involved with the great unwashed.

Loco
Premium
join:2002-11-09
So Cal

Re: Hang em' high.

Sounds good.
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