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I have stopped buying any new movies from Hollywood or MPAA Stooges.I will now only buy new movies used so they will not get a dime out of me.
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Camden, TN | Re: How Sad said by gorehound:This is why I hate SONY and all these other MPAA Bastards.They will pay for this just like the RIAA will for their shit. I have stopped buying any new movies from Hollywood or MPAA Stooges.I will now only buy new movies used so they will not get a dime out of me. Wish I could make a network in Portland Maine. Here's an idea, why not hate the stupid idiot that was pirating the movies in the first place? That's who I hate. I mean how cheap can someon be not to pay a few dollars for content? Even Burger King pays you $7.25 an hour. More than enough to pay for a movie.
Your logic is like hating the cops for shutting down your favorite hangout because the owners were laundering money instead of hating the people doing the illegal activities. | |
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| | | | | | Re: How Sad No, more akin to a local hangout deciding to close down because a patron did something illegal there.
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kudos:2 | ... while other patrons use the incident to somehow justify their own illegal behavior that hasn't been caught yet. I'm curious exactly how many people who badmouth the RIAA and MPAA have nothing to hide (very few) and how many are just making excuses (the vast majority). If you're going to steal, at least be a man, admit it, and don't try to blame your own mistakes on other people. | |
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| said by BF69:Here's an idea, why not hate the stupid idiot that was pirating the movies in the first place? ... I would rather hate the system that allows the MPAA to send shutdown notices with little or no proof whatsoever. There is nothing in the referenced article to indicate the MPAA has actual proof of an illegal download.
of course, there are dead grannies and people that don't own computers that can attest to how accurate the MPAA claims can be. | |
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kudos:12 | Re: How Sad said by nasadude:said by BF69:Here's an idea, why not hate the stupid idiot that was pirating the movies in the first place? ... I would rather hate the system that allows the MPAA to send shutdown notices with little or no proof whatsoever. There is nothing in the referenced article to indicate the MPAA has actual proof of an illegal download. of course, there are dead grannies and people that don't own computers that can attest to how accurate the MPAA claims can be. You are confusing the MPAA and RIAA. The MPAA is fairly reasonable when it comes to DMCA notices and doesn't fling lawsuits around like candy or extort users for $5,000 per infraction.
Anyway, a DMCA takedown notice just means they have to remove the infringing content, a completely reasonable request. It's the owner of the network who is at fault here as he decided to just shut it down rather than respond. If he would have simply ignored the error, nothing would have happened anyway.
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join:2002-03-05 | If we keep using your police scenario, I'd say that the RIAA and MPAA are more akin to drug dealing cops who are shutting down the favored hangout because it's affecting their side income...
The RIAA and MPAA are hardly innocent poor organizations who have been molested and wronged. Quit trying to paint them as some sort of heroes or even as law abiding citizens.
While I don't pirate anything myself, I certainly won't discourage others from doing so. There has to be some good in any activity that causes harm and loss to the MPAA and/or RIAA.
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| | | | said by gorehound:This is why I hate SONY and all these other MPAA Bastards.They will pay for this just like the RIAA will for their shit. I have stopped buying any new movies from Hollywood or MPAA Stooges.I will now only buy new movies used so they will not get a dime out of me. Wish I could make a network in Portland Maine. Sony in a nutshell:
Lets invest millions to make each device we make use a different format of a memory card.
Lets invest more millions into DRM that will be useless to the general consumer, but to prevent a few consumers from making a copy of it.
**AA in a nutshell:
Lets send take down notices to ANYONE without any actual investigations, which includes printers.
Lets harass the elderly and young.
All this trouble all because they don't want to keep up with the technology and move all their content online. I can't understand why not. If its online then you don't have to pay for materials, which in turn could be paid to the sysadmins/servers to support this AND once you actually have the groundwork in place its easy money. | |
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| Re: How Sad Because if they put the content online people wont pay as much as if it was on DVD. Know anyone who would pay 15.99 to see a movie on their computer once? And if its downloadable then at that point you might as well get the DVD so you will have a backup in case of harddrive failure. A DVD can be ripped/copied over and over, a file on the other hand is only good until the drive its on dies | |
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| | | | | | Re: How Sad said by zipjay:Because if they put the content online people wont pay as much as if it was on DVD. Know anyone who would pay 15.99 to see a movie on their computer once? And if its downloadable then at that point you might as well get the DVD so you will have a backup in case of harddrive failure. A DVD can be ripped/copied over and over, a file on the other hand is only good until the drive its on dies That is a common myth. DVDs are made from plastic which can become scratched or cracked which will make them unreadable in players. Even if you treat them like your newborn, the laser can wear down the material.
And I didn't say that people should pay 15.99 to watch it once. But, that 15.99 is part material costs, part distributing costs. You could probably knock that down to $5-10 easy to watch a movie once. If the quality was good, I am sure a number of people who pirate movies today would buy it.
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»consumerist.com/5402972/sony-hun···-a-movie
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| | Someone wanted this thing closed I'd be willing to bet that someone in the local government wanted this thing closed. Most towns of any size either have an attorney on staff or on retainer, so they could have easily learned they weren't liable. Furthermore, anyone with technical knowledge could have stated that, if the DMCA complaint had listed a time and IP address, the router logs could have been checked, and the MAC address of the user could have been found and then blocked from connecting to the network again.
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Franklin, TN | said by ISurfTooMuch:No, someone wanted this network switched off, and this was just the excuse they needed. I have to agree, I run a wireless ISP in my area and have already received some letters for the same reason. It was trivial to track down the user. I never had to take down the entire network though, that's silly. So one could complain to AT&T and they shutdown all millions of their customers? Yeah right! 
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kudos:4 | said by ISurfTooMuch:I'd be willing to bet that someone in the local government wanted this thing closed. Most towns of any size either have an attorney on staff or on retainer, so they could have easily learned they weren't liable. Furthermore, anyone with technical knowledge could have stated that, if the DMCA complaint had listed a time and IP address, the router logs could have been checked, and the MAC address of the user could have been found and then blocked from connecting to the network again. No, someone wanted this network switched off, and this was just the excuse they needed. Yes,this shutdown wasn't caused or even asked for by the MPAA. The local pols did this, for whatever reason. And if you read the ENTIRE news item, you will see that it hasn't been decided that this is permanent. After the gov't IT org investigates to see if it was an employee that did this, it looks like the HOTSPOT(and that is all it is and not some typical muni WiFi setup) will reopen.
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| Re: Someone wanted this thing closed said by ThrowDemsOut:...The local pols did this, for whatever reason. ... and that reason was fear of a debilitating lawsuit. you don't actually need the law on your side these days, just money to drag someone to court and threaten them with bankruptcy.
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kudos:4 | Re: Someone wanted this thing closed said by Z80:So having a retainer agreement makes defending lawsuits free then. No, but it makes it business as usual. | |
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Don't let him destroy our town.
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| | Just think of what whould of happed if it was child porn? Just think of what would of happen if it was child porn?
Would the city it workers have to go to court over something that they did not do?
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ATM fraud ring: millions of dollars stolen, but they go to a medium security prison
Ponzi scheme: billions of dollars stolen, but they go to a minimum security prison.
Bankers: trillions of dollars stolen, and they're given more by the government with a bonus on top
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| Re: Don't forget the Sony BMG CD rootkit copy protection scandal said by Mr Matt:Originally Sony was a supporter of consumer rights during the BetaMax lawsuit. Things have sure changed. If you Google Sony + Spyware you will see several articles about the Sony BMG CD rootkit copy protection scandal. Sony Music CD's included software that installed rootkits when played through consumers computers. See the article in Wikipedia: » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_C···_scandal Yes, this is a complicated web-- conflict of interest city. How much longer before cable companies and telcos who sell cable-tv try to screw the consumer since they own 99% of the last mile internet. Right now it might be the indie & municipal providers.. but this special interest is viscious and they won't stop at that. The XXAA's have even had an influence in Sweden.. land of the bays that pirate. | |
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Newark, OH | Local ISP overreacted Funny, I lived and graduated from Coshocton High School. My wife's family still lives there.
Anyway, I think the local ISP overreacted. Not too surprising though given that it's not eactly every day that a company the size of Sony Pictures contacts them. The community has been hit hard by the loss of manufacturing jobs in recent years and the recession has only made matters worse. I'd say this is definitely a case where the county was afraid of the potential legal ramifications and just thought it would be easier to pull the plug... at least for now.
Personally, I think it's crap that the MPAA, RIAA, and copyright holders in general can throw their weight around like this. It's simply ridiculous for them to expect for ISPs to play copyright cop for them. It's this kind of logic that could force ISPs in the US into implementing a 3 strikes rule. It kind of reminds of how medical doctors are forced to practice defensive medicine because of their fear of lawsuits.
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This article was woefully lacking in detail and information.
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| i love it! send a letter. get a free muni-wifi shut down. Sony didn't have to do a god damned thing except send a letter. no proof of the offense, nothing! just a simple 'someone on your network did something very bad'.
i wonder if the local telcom and Sony did this together to shut down the telco's competition?
maybe the MPAA should get some good publicity out of this and give the town the $2900 to buy and install the filtering hardware/software? nah, who am i kidding. they're just greedy bastards that only spend money on letters and lawyers.
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2 edits | Blame the person doing the illegal activities. The only blame here is the person that was uploading illegally. If they want to do that, then do it from their own ISP, don't use a public spot.
They shoudl make sure they have a way to idnetify every user. And when something like this happens, publicy release their names and addresses so people in the community know who caused the problem.
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