ptrowskiGot Helix? Premium Member join:2005-03-14 Woodstock, CT |
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2009-Dec-22 12:57 pm
Good....Sometimes a swift kick in the rear is what is needed to some of these companies. I hope they come clean..... | |
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2009-Dec-22 4:45 pm
Re: Good....said by ptrowski:Sometimes a swift kick in the rear is what is needed to some of these companies. I hope they come clean..... only that swift kick will most likely result in higher unfees on your bill! | |
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2009-Dec-22 4:53 pm
Re: Good....That $1.99 mystery fee will be now added to a 'Federal Recovery Surcharge Fee'. Problem solved | |
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Amazing that Verizon can just get awaywith this with little to no penalty | |
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2009-Dec-22 1:41 pm
Re: Amazing that Verizon can just get awayThey didn't get away with it yet. The FCC hasn't made a ruling. And the class action lawyers are still probably figuring how many millions to sue for. | |
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2009-Dec-22 1:56 pm
Re: Amazing that Verizon can just get awaysaid by FFH5:They didn't get away with it yet. The FCC hasn't made a ruling. And the class action lawyers are still probably figuring how many millions to sue for. Just wait. I am sure they will. In fact, if the government does sue them, and I would be very surprised at that, the only winner will be the government in the collection of fines. The customers would see a penny of it. | |
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2009-Dec-22 4:45 pm
Re: Amazing that Verizon can just get awayThat's not the point. While I'm not a Verizon customer (nor do I live in the country that they service), the point is:
1) Prevent them from continuing to do it in the future 2) Punish them for having done it.
Getting back $1.99 or so doesn't mean much to the individual consumer, but losing millions of dollars does mean something to Verizon. | |
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2009-Dec-23 8:47 am
Re: Amazing that Verizon can just get away...and to other companies thinking about/doing the same thing. | |
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| | | | NOVA_GuyObamaCare Kills Americans Premium Member join:2002-03-05 |
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While fining Verizon and closely watching their practices may prevent them from doing this in the future, it will do little else.
They have already collected the fees from their customers, so they've already gotten use of millions of dollars for years. This use cannot be undone.
Any fines levied by the government and any settlements from class action lawsuits filed by attorneys will simply be used as justification to raise fees and prices even higher for Verizon's customers-- much like how the credit card companies are screwing customers these days by raising rates up to 30% or more and using the excuse of having to pay federal government bail out loans back. (Bail out loans which, IMHO, shouldn't have been given to them in the first place.)
In the end, the only people who will lose on this will be Verizon's customers-- the ones who were supposed to have been the beneficiaries of additional regulatory action from the government and lawsuits from the lawyers. Ironic, isn't it? | |
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2009-Dec-22 5:49 pm
Re: Amazing that Verizon can just get awayIncrease in 'regulatory fees' by $1.99 (+ an extra piece to cover for the money spent on lawsuit and penalties) | |
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2009-Dec-23 9:25 am
Re: Amazing that Verizon can just get awayI would actually hope this happens. If it does, all Verizon customers should take advantage of this material adverse increase in price to get out of their contract immediately. Since I just started service on Verizon last week (got a new Droid) this would be perfect. I'd cancel the contract with no BS ETF fee, and either port the number over to some other service where I could use the Droid (prepaid maybe?) or immediately sign another 2 year contract with Verizon for another phone subsidy (allowing me to eBay one of the phones for a profit). I was initially opposed to the idea of them raising fees... But now, on second thought, go ahead Verizon-- make my day. I could use an excuse to get out of a new 2 year contract with you with no ETF, socking you for a loss of the phone subsidy you provided... | |
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The Gentleman from California agrees! | |
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Boricua
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2009-Dec-22 1:03 pm
Hmmm...Looks like I will have to go back and check my bills. I have seen the $1.99 on my bill and never bother to get it credited. | |
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wonder if..the investigators at the FCC get a cut from Verizon from the phone fees? | |
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But...this is critical to National Security!
"I will let the letter to the FCC speak for us.."
Go David! Oh wait, you're a tool for Apple.. oh snap! | |
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2009-Dec-22 1:24 pm
If this is the way these big companies insist on behaving...... then bring on the regulations. They clearly can't regulate themselves. How much is ever enough for these companies?? | |
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2009-Dec-22 1:52 pm
Re: If this is the way these big companies insist on behaving...Yep, they abuse, so bring the Rod. Bring it. | |
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Normally I'm opposed to government intervention and interference, but this sounds like a good idea to me.
The wireless market has not been competitive [enough] in a long while. (That's typically what happens in oligopolies.) Clearly there is a problem when the major wireless providers (AT&T and Verizon) can continually screw their customers by placing caps on their service, placing restrictions on their service, adding mystery fees to their service, and charging exorbitant amounts of money for the service.
The last competitive sign in the wireless marketplace, IMHO, was when Alltel introduced calling circles and the major players followed suit. And that really wasn't much of a competitive move anyway considering that Verizon bought Alltel, and Verizon and AT&T only allow their calling circles on higher priced tiers (those on the lowest tier can't even get it as an add-on feature). True competition, of course, would have led to different results for this feature-- and would also provide enough pressure to keep prices down (or at least avoid collecting unfees from existing customers).
Maybe a nudge here or there from the government could help drive the noncompetitive wireless marketplace in the right direction. I'd love to read about others' ideas of what this nudge from the government should be. | |
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2009-Dec-22 1:36 pm
SolutionThe government should get into cellphone business or buy every single carrier out there. That way we would get cheap services. | |
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2009-Dec-22 1:42 pm
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said by glinc:The government should get into cellphone business or buy every single carrier out there. That way we would get cheap services. LOL | |
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to glinc
Let's see how much they save us on health insurance first? | |
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2009-Dec-22 1:54 pm
Re: Solutionsaid by jester121:Let's see how much they save us on health insurance first? Looks grim, unfortunately because they are caving in to the industry and not actually regulating or fixing the problem. | |
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Re: Solutionthey cave to big business just like they do to the cable co, the telcos, and the entertainment people. Entertainment wants more copyright, more control over TV. etc | |
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In communist Russia, cell phone call you. | |
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said by glinc:The government should get into cellphone business or buy every single carrier out there. That way we would get cheap services. Surely you jest? | |
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Re: Solutionsaid by wifi4milez:said by glinc:The government should get into cellphone business or buy every single carrier out there. That way we would get cheap services. Surely you jest? because the free market has done so well to protect us at this point? You notice almost all of the cellphone companies charge about the same exact fee for services yet there is no basis for it or reasoning. Essentially they are acting in collusion with each other which is a crime and it should be investigated. The free market has pretty much screwed us over just as much or more than a government entity could ever do. I'm no advocate of bigger government but if they want to compete more power to them maybe it will shock some of these companies into doing something. I highly doubt it though because government is all about getting paid off and letting the corporations make the law and you and I getting sent the bill and screwed over which we have seen time and time again over the last 20-30 years. I really wish google would of opened up their dark fiber, bought up the 700mhz spectrum, then offered some decent cellphone/wireless internet prices and shut down all of these companies. Instead they are just providing devices and OS's to them so they can continue the churn of ripping you and me off daily. The fact that the text message pricing is at it's current level is a joke, the actual message for them to send and process is almost zero costs yet they charge a premium. That alone should of sent flairs up to people in government to investigate their pricing methods. | |
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Re: SolutionCharge what the market will bear. That is what capitalism is about. If people hated it that much, they would stop texting. | |
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2009-Dec-23 7:41 am
Re: Solutionsaid by scott2020:Charge what the market will bear. That is what capitalism is about. If people hated it that much, they would stop texting. Sure, and just like the banking crisis, they will have their hands out looking for a federal bailout because they will say they are "too big to fail." How many government agencies contract with cell phone providers now? You think Uncle Sam is going to let their service go dark? We don't have a pure capitalistic system. There are some regulations in place but they do not protect the consumer. Or would you rather go back to "caveat emptor." | |
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said by RiseAbove:The fact that the text message pricing is at it's current level is a joke, the actual message for them to send and process is almost zero costs yet they charge a premium. That alone should of sent flairs up to people in government to investigate their pricing methods. The pricing is a joke according to whom?? Why are Lamborghini's so expensive, is that a "joke" too? How come luxury yachts cost hundreds of millions of dollars, is that also a joke? At the end of the day all the above (including text messages) are luxury services that people chose to purchase/use. If you dont like it, you have a few options: 1) Stop using text messages 2) Use one the the many free text messaging services out there It will be a sad day when people "sent up flairs" and complain to the government about the price of ancillary, and totally optional, services being provided by companies. | |
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Re: Solutionsaid by wifi4milez:said by RiseAbove:The fact that the text message pricing is at it's current level is a joke, the actual message for them to send and process is almost zero costs yet they charge a premium. That alone should of sent flairs up to people in government to investigate their pricing methods. The pricing is a joke according to whom?? Why are Lamborghini's so expensive, is that a "joke" too? How come luxury yachts cost hundreds of millions of dollars, is that also a joke? At the end of the day all the above (including text messages) are luxury services that people chose to purchase/use. If you dont like it, you have a few options: 1) Stop using text messages 2) Use one the the many free text messaging services out there It will be a sad day when people "sent up flairs" and complain to the government about the price of ancillary, and totally optional, services being provided by companies. what are you babbling on about? yes it is optional but that doesn't mean the prices can't be fair. Nothing wrong with asking for companies to charge a reasonable price for a service. | |
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We do not have a free market capitalistic system in place when it comes to cell phone companies. We have an oligopoly. Free market capitalism requires numerous suppliers offering a homogeneous product for competition. We do not have numerous suppliers in the cell phone marketplace; at most we have 4 major players (AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, T-Mobile). We do not have a homogeneous product either. Consider the coverage and network differences between the providers. Also consider the number of people flocking to AT&T for the iPhone, despite AT&T's abysmal network quality. Consider the number of people (myself included) who switched to Verizon for the Droid. Consider the differences between GSM networks and CDMA networks. Free market capitalism also requires low barriers of entry into the marketplace. Barriers of entry are significant in the wireless market. FCC regulations, costs to build your network (or lease it from others, if the providers will let you do it), costs to build a nationwide network of retail stores, agreements with phone manufacturers, etc. all create significant hurdles when it comes to starting up a wireless company. Also consider the time it would take to enter the marketplace; one cannot start up a wireless provider without months (perhaps years) of planning. It is not free market capitalism that has "screwed us over", as you've put it. It is the lack of free market capitalism that has, in this case. All of that said, I essentially agree with the points you've made in your post. More government involvement-- at least in setting up a consumers' bill of rights, and creating price ceilings for some things where there is significant mark-up (like text messaging)-- may create enough of a shock to get the market to at least partially correct itself. I also wish that Google had done more than just provide the operating system for Android-based phones. But I can understand why they didn't-- if they had started their own wireless company and used devices with their own OS, they would have been subject to much more government scrutiny. Players like AT&T and Verizon would likely have pushed the DOJ into investigations, which may have forced Google's hand in some areas, or forced some sort of splitting up of Google's functions similar to what happened with Microsoft in the past. Strategically, Google did the best thing for themselves. They're getting a number of devices out there with their OS on them, on a number of providers. This gives Google a much larger potential footprint and gets more people using their services, which gives Google much more data to collect on people and sell to advertisers in aggregate form. (This is where Google makes a ton of money, in case you haven't heard. ) It also positions Google very well for moving into other facets of people's lives. Google Voice integrates nicely on Android-based phones, as does Google Maps. Both are potential threats to wireless company revenue, and may eventually lead to revenue streams for Google. I'm sure it's also caused a ton more people who didn't have GMail accounts to get one, leading to more advertising revenue. I could go on, but I'm sure that you've more than gotten the idea by now. | |
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Re: Solutionsaid by NOVA_Guy:We do not have a free market capitalistic system in place when it comes to cell phone companies. We have an oligopoly. Free market capitalism requires numerous suppliers offering a homogeneous product for competition. We do not have numerous suppliers in the cell phone marketplace; at most we have 4 major players (AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, T-Mobile). We do not have a homogeneous product either. Consider the coverage and network differences between the providers. Also consider the number of people flocking to AT&T for the iPhone, despite AT&T's abysmal network quality. Consider the number of people (myself included) who switched to Verizon for the Droid. Consider the differences between GSM networks and CDMA networks. Free market capitalism also requires low barriers of entry into the marketplace. Barriers of entry are significant in the wireless market. FCC regulations, costs to build your network (or lease it from others, if the providers will let you do it), costs to build a nationwide network of retail stores, agreements with phone manufacturers, etc. all create significant hurdles when it comes to starting up a wireless company. Also consider the time it would take to enter the marketplace; one cannot start up a wireless provider without months (perhaps years) of planning. It is not free market capitalism that has "screwed us over", as you've put it. It is the lack of free market capitalism that has, in this case. I'm sorry I read all of this and your little quoted text in your sig and below your avatar and that is all I had to know how far outside of reality you actually exist. Not to mention that glorious and highly laughable last paragraph. It was pretty devoid of reality in any sense of the word. Please insert another 25 cents and try again. | |
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Re: Solutionsaid by NOVA_Guy:Isn't it bad enough that Obama and the liberal Democrats are trying to destroy a decent, stable, working health care system while simultaneously wallet-raping the American public? I'd have thought that people could have learned a lesson from those actions. Apparently not. You keep saying paragraphs like this and it makes you out to be more and more of a GOP loon. If I go back through all of your posts will I find you bitching about how Bush also increased budgets and spending astronomically in the last few years? I'm not a fan of Obama or Bush and their spending but don't be a fooled into thinking this "wallet-raping" started on Obama's watch, if you truly give a damn you would be all over both of them but I bet money your posts don't reflect that I bet it has a lot of teabagger colloquialisms positioned through out them all. I also love your bit about the "trying to destroy a decent, stable, working health care system," it ads a nice Hannity flare to your post and once again throws up a huge signal of just how out of touch with everything you truly are. | |
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class action... and what will happen after a class action suit? The customer will receive a coupon for a discount on their next phone upgrade!
Wowee!! Gooooo lawyers! | |
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2009-Dec-22 8:12 pm
Re: class actionsaid by theyipper:... and what will happen after a class action suit? The customer will receive a coupon for a discount on their next phone upgrade! Wowee!! Gooooo lawyers! And VZ doesn't try stealing $2 from thousands of their customers again. | |
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2009-Dec-22 1:52 pm
Denial--- It's not just a River in Egypt...They are BEGGING to get a class action suit filed. Some random legal firm could end up making millions and millions in dollars while Verizon victims customers get a coupon good for a Free PPV movie on FIOS or something.... | |
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2009-Dec-22 2:15 pm
Re: Denial--- It's not just a River in Egypt...said by KrK:They are BEGGING to get a class action suit filed. Some random legal firm could end up making millions and millions in dollars while Verizon victims customers get a coupon good for a Free PPV movie on FIOS or something.... You and the previous poster are both right. Verizon customers will get next to nothing but some lawyers will have a huge payday. Whatever those lawyers get it's Verizon fault for having so many anti-consumer fees in the first place. | |
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Re: Denial--- It's not just a River in Egypt...True, but I bet the $1.99 fee gets fixed. | |
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2009-Dec-22 2:09 pm
No $ for usWe won't see a dime of this anyway. Only the government or FCC will be making $. | |
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pnh102
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2009-Dec-22 2:11 pm
Government Should ActThe government should require that the costs of these fees be included in the advertised price of the service. It is not right for people to be surprised with mystery fees on their monthly bills.
As for the $350 ETF, I don't have a problem with it, because this fee is fully disclosed and is entirely avoidable. | |
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$1.99 fee for 1 MB of usageHonestly I think many of these appear when people let their kids or friends borrow their phone and/or they accidentally hit browser/download on a touch screen and get billed the minimum. | |
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US GDPI wonder what the GDP ratio in the states is for suits? If its higher then 5% I think People should consider that a bad thing and something to frown upon. | |
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Marketing and scandal combination...After all of the marketing tactics, ads attacking att etc, vzw sure does have some legal and repetitional egg on its face from this stupid avoidable problem. "Yes we have the biggest 3G network (but we have lower speeds and no medium speed fall-back), the best phones (that can't talk & do data services stuff at the sane time) and the best pricing on service (that we will screw up and blame on you &/or pretend it isn't happening)." - A | |
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But corporations are ENTITLED.........to ALL the money they can beg, borrow or STEAL from their customers! Just ask all the corporate shills that hang out here! | |
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CRAZY chargesSprint has the same thing on their bill. It's a percentage of the total bill and it says that they are EXTRA CHARGES that they are NOT REQUIRED to collect.
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Ioweyou
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2009-Dec-22 7:37 pm
Back and forth banter"Open the pod bay doors HAL?" "I'm sorry Dave but I'm afraid I can't do that."
"Please... open the pod bay doors HAL?" "I'm sorry Dave but I'm afraid I can't do that."
"HAL. Open the pod bay doors!" "I'm sorry Dave but I'm afraid I can't do that."
"Open the DAMN doors HAL!" "I'm sorry Dave but I'm afraid I can't do that." | |
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2009-Dec-22 8:12 pm
If I stole $2 from someoneI could be charged with petty theft. VZ does it and it's an "error". | |
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maccur
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2009-Dec-23 12:04 pm
Monthly ScrewingThese mystery charges are driving me crazy. Every month, I make the call to Verizon. Every month I'm told my in-laws, who are on the family plan, are mistakenly hitting the data button. Every month my in-laws say, no, we don't touch that button because we know Verizon will charge. I've taken away internet from their phones, but want to keep text messaging with photos available to them. So every month I get screwed by Verizon. | |
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2009-Dec-23 5:26 pm
Verizon fee??Fire them!! There are other choices. Let them lose couple million customers and see what they do. If you cant deal with them fire them period. | |
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Verizon CrooksI've had verizon phone the last two decades, only because there had been no other choice. They routinely add charges to the bill. For example they charged me wiring fees until I finally got them to stop a few months ago. I told them at the beginning to not charge wiring fees, and called them constantly to have the fees removed. But they never did it and kept putting the charges on the bill every month.
They say you can't contact them by mail, in writing, that it won't do any good, the only way to contact them is by phone, and then they do nothing, unless you want to order more service. Over the last two decades they have charged about $3000 in wiring fees based on today's prices. This does not include their other overcharges. I have only local calling, no out of local area calling, no long distance, no 900 calls etc etc. At times the phone bill was up to $100 a month for two phone lines, but only for occasional local calls, at the supposed lowest flat rate.
Finally two months ago the bill was down to $41.xx with one phone line, but this month back up to $49.99. They had added $6.02 for two 900 MCI calls and the bill said to contact MCI, but the number that I called was Verizon. I have never made any 900 calls and had verizon block all non local calls many years ago.
I talked to the rep to have the charges removed, repeated that such calls were never made, and said "you must be getting a lot of complaints on these charges", which was confirmed by the rep. There must be millions of verizon customers being changed $6.02 or whatever, and most of them would just pay the bogus charges, which was confirmed by the rep. The rep credited the charges, made sure the block was in place, and said there would be a credit the next month.
I said, no, there were no calls made, I'll just subtract this amount from the bill. The rep said you can't do that as there would be a late charge! And then I'd have to call again to have the late charge removed, but if I didn't pay it then there'd be another late charge the following month, ad infinitum. So the only way to stop continuous late charges is to pay the charges, for calls that were never made, and that verizon knows were not made.
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