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glinc
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2009-Dec-23 9:34 am
IdeaHere's an idea. They should track iphone users usage every month and if the usage is less than 50MB then cut that month bills by half. | |
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2009-Dec-23 9:38 am
Re: IdeaBut that's the opposite of what they'd like to do! Given the opportunity, I'm sure they'd like to double the bills of those who use more than (insert arbitrary number here) MB per month. | |
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Right, I use almost nothing for data/voice, does that mean my bill will go down based on my usage? Not a chance.  | |
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2009-Dec-23 10:06 am
Re: Ideasaid by steve1515:Right, I use almost nothing for data/voice, does that mean my bill will go down based on my usage? Not a chance. Exactly, prices will go up for everyone under the guise of penalising the heavy users. | |
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2009-Dec-23 10:15 am
Re: Ideasaid by james16:said by steve1515:Right, I use almost nothing for data/voice, does that mean my bill will go down based on my usage? Not a chance. Exactly, prices will go up for everyone under the guise of penalising the heavy users. this is at&t we are talking about. you don't have to be a heavy user to take the network down. | |
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How much data can you really use after watching poor quality youtube videos and only download 11mb songs on itunes with AT&T "3G" network? Its stupid. You can watch a good quality clip of a movie on itunes but you cant download it lol. | |
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Are you joking? I use almost a gig on my phone. The streaming music and radio stations eats it up. If they didn't want to offer unlimited they shouldn't have had it as a must have tier. Now that being said I will ditch AT&T and the iPhone if they goto a per mb charge or whatever. It's a phone so the data can't be that bad. They should invest, wish this was still Cingular they were the bomb. Wouldn't even have this problem if they were still around. But anyway yes alot of peoe will leave. It's a dumb move if they go that route | |
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"I bought an iPhone. Too bad it was on AT&T, the great Satan. 3G and Edge was like Anne Heche, I'm in, I'm out, I'm in. Then, my powerbook broke so I built a computer. My iPod collasped two days after the warranty. I couldn't get my text messages from all my girlfriends. I bought a Droid. It worked. Now, my wife knows. I'm on the boat. I'm losing all my sponsors, wrecked my caddy, and TMZ.COM WON'T SHUT UP ABOUT ME!"
"CUT!!! Tiger, this is not a tell all. Just say Verizon is great, AT&T sucks, and the Droid is great." | |
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I wish they would do this. I almost always have WiFi available to me so my usage is really low. I'd love to see a bit of a discount on my bill. | |
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I used 922MB this month without even trying. And Ive spent alot of time on WiFi. | |
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2009-Dec-23 9:47 am
Arrogant and they will soon learn.The 50% price hike they took on data does the job. Plus they dropped free limited texting (texting is extra on 3G plan). iPhone users pay hefty monthly fees whether they use the service or not.
They can get away with this nonsense only until the iPhone makes it to another supported carrier. The day the phone makes it to Verizon for example is the day AT&T rethinks their fleecing of subscribers. | |
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2009-Dec-23 9:54 am
Re: Arrogant and they will soon learn.ARROGANT , you are so right, in the same conference call, one brand of AT&T from broadband to wireless one price in all areas that they operate on its products, not depending on where you live as it is now. | |
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Right, because Verizon has no history of fleecing customers.
Verizon will simply implement the same pricing model AT&T has. You might get more network coverage (which is a little better), but I guarantee you won't be paying any less (possibly even more). | |
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2009-Dec-23 11:27 am
Re: Arrogant and they will soon learn.You can't guarantee anything. The fact is the only reason AT&T thinks they can get away with it is because they have an iPhone exclusive in the US market. | |
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2009-Dec-23 12:05 pm
Re: Arrogant and they will soon learn.And because they are, billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of iPhone customers at a time. So what's the problem? | |
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2009-Dec-23 12:07 pm
Re: Arrogant and they will soon learn.You don't see it? Really? | |
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Not true, when Bellus got the iPhone in Canada they set the rates at an almost identical level to Rogers. I called them and asked why their prices are the same and they told me that apple sets the rates on the iPhone.
I'm not saying I believe this (it's more likely price collusion between Bellus and Rogers) but don't be suprised if the same thing happens with Verizon and AT&T, because if they see some other country doing it (and getting away with it) they will try the same thing. | |
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Re: Arrogant and they will soon learn.It's true, the price points are set by apple.
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said by Z80A:The day the phone makes it to Verizon for example is the day AT&T rethinks their fleecing of subscribers. Keep dreaming. VZ's data plan is currently $30/mth...just like T's. | |
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2009-Dec-23 11:26 am
Re: Arrogant and they will soon learn.So what, it means competition. Even without all the AT&T shenanigans you have people wishing for the iPhone on VZW. | |
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2009-Dec-23 10:13 pm
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Texting costs them almost nothing. It should be free. If everyone texted more they'd have no problem. | |
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2009-Dec-23 9:57 am
what if?What if the cable companies charged you more for watching TOO MUCH T.V.?
Anyone would laugh at them ... if a policy change came about, the standard package, only permits 10 hours of T.V. time per day. Anything above 10 hours, and you must pay extra.
One of the first ISPs I worked for (is gone now ... thanks Prodigy) sold "unlimited" dial-up internet access, but if you used more than 30 hours a month, would shut you off. The deal was ... it was for residential use, and anything more than 30 hours a month, wasn't occasional, residence internet use.
Can you imagine such a thing... when is "all you can eat" only two plates? If you go for a third plate ... we charge you more!
Granted, I think folks who use P2P services SHOULD be subject to something ... fees and/or penalties. It was bad enough when folks used Usenet for all that filesharing crap.
I had Usenet servers that took in 300-500GB per day, and sent over 1TB out to other servers. When I started running Usenet, a FULL feed (including alt.*) was only 2-3GB per day!
The internet is a lot like a herd of elephants with diareea. Uncontrollable and capable of producing mass amounts of excrement when you least expect it! | |
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2009-Dec-23 10:21 am
Re: what if?said by t3ln3t :
What if the cable companies charged you more for watching TOO MUCH T.V.? That's an entirely different model and not a fair comparison. said by t3ln3t :
Granted, I think folks who use P2P services SHOULD be subject to something ... fees and/or penalties. It was bad enough when folks used Usenet for all that filesharing crap. I had Usenet servers that took in 300-500GB per day, and sent over 1TB out to other servers. When I started running Usenet, a FULL feed (including alt.*) was only 2-3GB per day! Why? You're painting an example of exactly why Internet services should be limited. Seems like you just ruined the point you were trying to make. | |
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2009-Dec-23 1:10 pm
Re: what if?said by openbox9:said by t3ln3t :
What if the cable companies charged you more for watching TOO MUCH T.V.? That's an entirely different model and not a fair comparison. How so? If you're watching digital television, the signal is just 1's and 0's, just like internet packets. | |
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2009-Dec-23 3:36 pm
Re: what if?Because even most digital TV is broadcast right now. It costs the cable or satellite company nothing in terms of capacity to add new users because they're always broadcasting every single channel 24x7 to everone. When moving to switched digital video or VOD where each set top ties up a part of limited bandwidth then the comparison to TV would be valid. | |
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2009-Dec-23 3:37 pm
Re: what if?said by yabos:Because even most digital TV is broadcast right now. It costs the cable or satellite company nothing in terms of capacity to add new users because they're always broadcasting every single channel 24x7 to everone. When moving to switched digital video or VOD where each set top ties up a part of limited bandwidth then the comparison to TV would be valid. Well, here, it's switched digital video (Comcast or U-Verse), so it's the same to me... | |
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said by Gbcue:said by openbox9:said by t3ln3t :
What if the cable companies charged you more for watching TOO MUCH T.V.? That's an entirely different model and not a fair comparison. How so? If you're watching digital television, the signal is just 1's and 0's, just like internet packets. because television is a broadcast model where everyone is sent the same 1 and 0's. it doesn't matter if 1 person or 1 million people are watching. | |
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2009-Dec-23 4:22 pm
Re: what if?See my above post. | |
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Re: what if?said by Gbcue:See my above post. which is still wrong. SDV is still broadcasting the same 1's and 0's to everyone who wants to watch. | |
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2009-Dec-23 4:43 pm
Re: what if?said by plat2on1:said by Gbcue:See my above post. which is still wrong. SDV is still broadcasting the same 1's and 0's to everyone who wants to watch. It's broadcasting the same 0's and 1's. I hope so, otherwise everybody would be watching the same channel but a different show. SDV doesn't transmit from the cable office to your digital STB until you switch to that channel. Notice how it's called "SWITCHED digital video"? | |
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Re: what if?said by Gbcue:said by plat2on1:said by Gbcue:See my above post. which is still wrong. SDV is still broadcasting the same 1's and 0's to everyone who wants to watch. It's broadcasting the same 0's and 1's. I hope so, otherwise everybody would be watching the same channel but a different show. SDV doesn't transmit from the cable office to your digital STB until you switch to that channel. Notice how it's called "SWITCHED digital video"? wrong again, as long as someone is watching, the channel is still on the line. | |
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I had prodigy. i left it up 24/7 all month long. they had programs that would redial your modem for you after they d/c'd you every 8 hours. i never got cut off. | |
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said by t3ln3t :
The internet is a lot like a herd of elephants with diareea. Uncontrollable and capable of producing mass amounts of excrement when you least expect it!
yep but in a series of tubes. | |
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said by t3ln3t :
What if the cable companies charged you more for watching TOO MUCH T.V.?
That would only be legitimate to consider if they were talking about only SDV (Switched Digital Video) as opposed to 24/7 always available channels. SDV is a shared resource that is only in use if someone on the node is watching that channel. A Normal TV Channel is independent of if someone is actually watching it. Normal TV is broadcast while SDV is a dedicated connection (although received by more than one user) that only exists when some is tuned to it. | |
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2009-Dec-23 7:21 pm
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said by t3ln3t :
What if the cable companies charged you more for watching TOO MUCH T.V.? Pay-Per-View or metered billing (time wise) has been the wet dream of cable companies for decades. Luckily, consumers wouldn't go for it.... then. | |
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Re: what if?said by KrK:said by t3ln3t :
What if the cable companies charged you more for watching TOO MUCH T.V.? Pay-Per-View or metered billing (time wise) has been the wet dream of cable companies for decades. Luckily, consumers wouldn't go for it.... then. Pay per internet model,yep they definitely want that. ALL telco's in North America are just dying for that model to be used. | |
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MoffettI suppose Craig Moffett would have told Sam Walton - "Don't open up a new store, this first one is profitable enough, just focus on it and forget about spending money on anything new." | |
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2009-Dec-23 11:00 am
Re: MoffettI took the liberty of posting a picture of Craig Moffett..... | |
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Re: Moffettsaid by N3OGH:I took the liberty of posting a picture of Craig Moffett..... Was that picture from the Spencer's Gifts adult toys section of their catalog | |
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2009-Dec-23 10:10 am
SubjectFor a hint of what pricing their usage models would look like, take a glance at their text message a la cart model. | |
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2009-Dec-23 10:15 am
Marketing cringesVZ and Sprint are going to make fun of AT&T like Southwest makes fun of the other airlines bags.
AT&T's marketing niche: people who do not use the internet very much. | |
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2009-Dec-23 11:37 am
Re: Marketing cringessaid by banner:VZ and Sprint are going to make fun of AT&T like Southwest makes fun of the other airlines bags. AT&T's marketing niche: people who do not use the internet very much. Already happening. My favorite is the iphone on the isle of misfit toys! | |
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2009-Dec-23 10:28 am
they are all reading from the same playbookThey may run ads attacking each other but all the wireless carriers are always looking for ways to increase revenue while minimizing expenses (i.e. actually spending money on providing and expanding service). As long as there are only a few major wireless providers it's just going to get more and more expensive and the service worse and worse. That's the way modern capitalism works. | |
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And when it does get implemented in 2011, willthat implementation be prepared for what is actually happening in 2011? Or will we be needing ANOTHER upgrade that won't be ready until 2015 to deal with what is happening in 2011? | |
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2009-Dec-23 10:37 am
Other Idea'squote:
Still though, de la Vega continues to insist he was misunderstood, telling Business Week he was simply talking about ways to get people to use less bandwidth
Another idea would be to allow people to own and use iPhones without forcing a data plan down their throat. They could use WiFi exclusively. That would be a model I would be interested in myself if I were with AT&T. This idea that you have to have a data plan but we really want to force you onto WiFi is not going to cut it. | |
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2009-Dec-23 10:50 am
Re: Other Idea'sYou do realize that the iPhone is primarily a data device that can also make phone calls. Not the other way around like most other devices.
The iphone is not the kind of device you want w/o a data plan without which, it would be severely crippled. No visual VM, no push updates, etc.
What you're looking for is exists in the form of an ipod Touch w/ Skype. | |
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|  amarryatVerizon FiOS
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said by n2jtx:quote:
Still though, de la Vega continues to insist he was misunderstood, telling Business Week he was simply talking about ways to get people to use less bandwidth
Another idea would be to allow people to own and use iPhones without forcing a data plan down their throat. They could use WiFi exclusively. That would be a model I would be interested in myself if I were with AT&T. This idea that you have to have a data plan but we really want to force you onto WiFi is not going to cut it. That is exactly what I think. I bet a ton of customers just want the iPhone and could get by with wifi only instead of a data plan. That would be a win-win since their network would be less congested resulting in happier data customers, and non-data customers would save $30/mo. They could even decrease the subsidy for non data customers to mitigate some of the lost revenue and still have happy customers. | |
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It's reasonable to think that heavy users are worth zero.Wow, now I know who the genius was who cooked up that ridiculous LTV1 idea a few years ago whereby users were denied upgrades based on their perceived value to the company. | |
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2009-Dec-23 11:12 am
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2009-Dec-23 11:45 am
Re: soRemember that when it does come out, AT&T would prefer that you only tether when the iPhone is connected via wifi...  | |
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AT&T has no worries. They don't have to worry about losing customers because I-Phone users will pay any price for a second rate service and convince them self that they are cool and elite in doing so, just like I-Pod and Mac users have been doing for years. | |
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2009-Dec-23 1:35 pm
If he doesn't want us to use his network....... then perhaps we should skip the iPhone on AT&T’s network altogether and just get an iPod touch and a copy of Skype. I bet that would make Mr. de la Vega really happy. | |
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| RolteCThe Need for Speed
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2009-Dec-23 2:22 pm
Re: If he doesn't want us to use his network....Maybe they should remove the iPhone all together, and never get another good/fast/GUI type phone every again?
Then they can never have to update the network again and stop bitching.
Then give it a year or so, and they will crumble because everyone will leave them for a company that knows the future it about faster and better, Verizon, ect.
Im starting to hate AT&T and people like that Craig fool/tool. | |
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Unbelieveable The most obvious solution is to get them to switch to wireless Wi-Fi networks whenever possible.
Oh yeah because Cable internet companies havent been crying either. | |
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2009-Dec-23 11:55 pm
high end phones attract high network usersWhen you market premier network phones which only really shine when you use bandwidth, you must expect high bandwidth users will be attracted to them. The high end windows mobile, Apples, (and for other companies, the droid) attract potential customers who are drawn by the internet features these phones offer. If is really serious about limiting bandwidth, they need to follow other companies lead, and offer phones which don't utilize the internet well. ATT has created their network crunch by offering the exact kinds of phones which by nature are bandwidth hogs. Don't get me wrong, I own a high bandwidth ATT phone. The unlimited plan stopped being unlimited when you hit 4 gigs a month. If you watched much UTube you could easilly exceed this amount and be hit with staggering over-limit fees. | |
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2009-Dec-24 11:33 am
FunnyCompanies want to charge more for people who use a lot of bandwidth, which is a few people. Now ATT is saying that they want to give incentive to people that use less bandwidth. Are they saying that we're all bandwidth hogs? | |
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2009-Dec-24 2:00 pm
att datastop all the complaining about att's network and the high prices of service of att and verizon. give them a message by switching to Sprint. Great network, great pricing and great phones: Pre, Hero, Moment, Pixi and coming soon a 4G phone. | |
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Re: att dataright on and with "simply everything" no more calling circles just calls. Use all the stuff on your phone and not for 30 bucks extra, it may have taken Sprint some time but, the plan is finally working | |
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2009-Dec-29 5:11 pm
Re: att data4g does not exist. The technology as a whole as not bee approved yet. the "4g" network they are pushing is just a clever word gimic. Why switch to Sprint? In this years satisfaction survays At&t was the worst and Sprint was the second worst. Verizon and Tmobile were at the top in customer satisfaction...Tmo with the introduction of the 9700 is by far the best service for the least amount of money. My tmo 9700 on 3g can download faster than my brothers iphone. Also my bill is a FRACTION of the cost.... | |
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