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ptrowski
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2010-Jan-20 1:35 pm
It is a price war....Only thing it is being waged against the consumers and we will be the victims... | |
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thegeek
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2010-Jan-20 2:28 pm
Re: It is a price war....I like how the carriers keep dropping the price of voice but raise the price of data. I get a 20% discount through work for Verizon. But it only applies to the voice charges for the first line. I have the 700 minute Family plan with three lines. So I get 20% off the $80 ( I think) charge for the main line voice. Nothing else is discounted. With three $30 data plans my discount seems hardly enough to make up the difference from all the taxes and fees added on top.
So it is a price war against the consumer. I highly doubt the discounts will ever be applied to data service. And it probably won't be long before all voice is free of charge with a $120 data plan capped at 5GB. | |
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2010-Jan-20 3:46 pm
Re: It is a price war....said by thegeek:I like how the carriers keep dropping the price of voice but raise the price of data. Expect the exact same thing to happen with your wired Internet connection as more and more people cut their phone line and pay TV. said by thegeek:So I get 20% off the $80 ( I think) charge for the main line voice. Lucky. My discount is only 15% against my primary line of $80 for the 1400 minute family share. | |
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said by thegeek:I like how the carriers keep dropping the price of voice but raise the price of data. I get a 20% discount through work for Verizon. But it only applies to the voice charges for the first line. I have the 700 minute Family plan with three lines. So I get 20% off the $80 ( I think) charge for the main line voice. Nothing else is discounted. With three $30 data plans my discount seems hardly enough to make up the difference from all the taxes and fees added on top. So it is a price war against the consumer. I highly doubt the discounts will ever be applied to data service. And it probably won't be long before all voice is free of charge with a $120 data plan capped at 5GB. I agree I get a discount too, and it is against only what they claim is the first line of my family share, but you cannot have a family share without atleast 2 lines LOL so to me the price of the 2 lines is the base price that should get discounted | |
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So I shouldn't complain that my Sprint Bill is:
$70 - 2 Lines 800 Mins add mins .05 cents/Nationwide/ Free Sprint to Sprint. $15 - Vision $8 - 500 Text $10 - 6pm Evenings + Taxes - 27% of everything
Total: $81 a month.
My iphone sucks ass, drops calls left and right and it's $84 a month. Where's the iPhone CDMA, EvDO Rev. A (or b) and WiMax. | |
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sholling
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2010-Jan-20 1:58 pm
Price War or Gentleman's AgreementWhat most people don't realize is that telecoms are the nations largest good 'ol boy (and girl) network. It's the only business I know where $100M deals are done on a handshake.
Telecoms don't compete, they expand or limit competition by buying up competitors until stopped and those left wink at each other. Ask any Verizon executive and they will repeat their mantra that on the consumer level Verizon does not compete on price, only on features and service. That competing on price is a losing proposition. So yes this is just a reshuffling of deck chairs.
However for those with decent Sprint or T-Mobile coverage can save a few bucks by switching to the smaller, hungrier players. I'll be switching as soon as my Verzion contract is up and shutting off my landline. | |
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FFH5
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2010-Jan-20 2:15 pm
Re: Price War or Gentleman's AgreementSwitching is where consumer power lies. Don't like the price move to another carrier. » www.pcworld.com/business ··· you.htmleven after the price cuts, neither of them are as cost effective as plans that have already been available from Sprint or T-Mobile. | |
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Re: Price War or Gentleman's Agreementquote: Switching is where consumer power lies. Don't like the price move to another carrier.
You're correct, in theory. However, what happens when companies collude together and form an illegal cartel to ensure that price remains a non-issue? Oh that's right, because it's not "collusion" or a "cartel"... it's a "gentleman's agreement." | |
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NOVA_Guy
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2010-Jan-20 3:32 pm
Re: Price War or Gentleman's AgreementIt's hard to call things a "gentleman's agreement" simply because it's hard to call AT&T, Verizon, or any of the other giants "gentlemen"...
The word "rapist" would be a more accurate description for those companies and their executives. | |
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Re: Price War or Gentleman's Agreementsaid by NOVA_Guy:The word "rapist" would be a more accurate description for those companies and their executives. Ok, I laughed | |
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said by FFH5:Switching is where consumer power lies. Don't like the price move to another carrier. » www.pcworld.com/business ··· you.htmleven after the price cuts, neither of them are as cost effective as plans that have already been available from Sprint or T-Mobile. Hard to do that when it costs a few hundred to do so | |
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2010-Jan-20 3:06 pm
Re: Price War or Gentleman's Agreementsaid by Bill Neilson:said by FFH5:Switching is where consumer power lies. Don't like the price move to another carrier. » www.pcworld.com/business ··· you.htmleven after the price cuts, neither of them are as cost effective as plans that have already been available from Sprint or T-Mobile. Hard to do that when it costs a few hundred to do so So wait until end of your contract. Everything doesn't have to be immediate. | |
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ptrowski
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2010-Jan-20 3:09 pm
Re: Price War or Gentleman's AgreementSome areas of the country certain carriers have better service. If you switch then you will be paying less for inferior service in theory. | |
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2010-Jan-20 3:20 pm
Re: Price War or Gentleman's Agreementsaid by ptrowski:Some areas of the country certain carriers have better service. If you switch then you will be paying less for inferior service in theory. True. But that is true of any product or service you buy. You have to balance cost vs quality vs your ability to pay while making your decision | |
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ptrowski
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2010-Jan-20 3:22 pm
Re: Price War or Gentleman's Agreementsaid by FFH5:said by ptrowski:Some areas of the country certain carriers have better service. If you switch then you will be paying less for inferior service in theory. True. But that is true of any product or service you buy. You have to balance cost vs quality vs your ability to pay while making your decision Of course, but that makes it harder to say "just switch". | |
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said by FFH5:said by ptrowski:Some areas of the country certain carriers have better service. If you switch then you will be paying less for inferior service in theory. True. But that is true of any product or service you buy. You have to balance cost vs quality vs your ability to pay while making your decision Oh please. You know as well as everyone else just how uncompetitive this market really is. Most people only have access to 2 major wireless carriers. The smaller competitors can`t even come close to competing in terms of quality of service. It`s a duopoly in most places, and contracts forced upon consumers prevent people from siwtching even when they manage to find a better deal. | |
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said by FFH5:So wait until end of your contract. Everything doesn't have to be immediate. Depends on the situation. Some actually need changes for work. Not everything is black and white in today's ridiculously complicated contractual world. I am a lawyer. I know all about contracts....yet the yings & yangs of dealing with these companies can be a headache | |
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Keep an eye on the unfees associated with your contract. As soon as Verizon or the like makes a small change to one of them, you're materially affected and able to cancel without penalty.
It worked for me with Sprint. I left them after 3 months of service after buying a subsidized new Palm Pre. Now I've got a Droid on Verizon and couldn't be happier. | |
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Dest
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2010-Jan-21 1:14 am
Re: Price War or Gentleman's AgreementSo True!
my girlfriend's family plan about $120 monthly recurring on AT&T = $38 tax and "fees" or roughly 31%
my own 3 line family plan and 1 individual plan on Sprint total recurring about $105 = $19 or roughly 18% | |
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MxxCon
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2010-Jan-20 2:55 pm
Ulimited my buttBut what % of customers actually benefit from buying an unlimited plan. how many people actually talk that much that it'll be cheaper for them to buy an unlimited plan and not like 2500minutes plans. also don't forget that this is just for voice, in addition to that many people will also have to buy data plans and let's not forget Telco's favorite cash cow, fake taxes and fees. in some cases tho fake taxes and fees can be as high as 30% of the total bill amount.  | |
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sholling
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2010-Jan-20 3:15 pm
Re: Ulimited my buttsaid by MxxCon:let's not forget Telco's favorite cash cow, fake taxes and fees. in some cases tho fake taxes and fees can be as high as 30% of the total bill amount. I have to agree with this statement. How can you shop price when a company may agree to sell you a service for $30 and then tack on $12 in fees. They should all be legally required to limit charges to the advertised price instead of this bait and switch crap. | |
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MxxCon
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2010-Jan-20 5:28 pm
Re: Ulimited my buttMetroPCS deserves a lot more credit than they get. their plan prices are the final prices you'll be paying, already include fees and taxes. and their plans start at $40 for unlimited voice and text. | |
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Keep it up SprintAs much as it is possible to like a big corporation I have to hand it to Sprint. For (2) smart phones on a 1500min Family Everything Plan with all the perks, insurance on my Pre, and my wifes 20% Target employee discount my monthly bill is $115.00 & change.
Unless you do not/cannot get a Sprint signal where you need it I don't see how anyone could choose anything else, the pricing difference is night and day. | |
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Re: Keep it up SprintI agree with you. I have 1500min Everything Data plan with 4 line an pay in total tax and other charges included is $153 with a 22% discount. I do not see why anyone with sprint coverage would have att or verizon. I guess people like to give money away to corporation that rip them off. | |
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Re: Keep it up SprintAmen Brother! | |
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Dest
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2010-Jan-21 1:18 am
Re: Keep it up Sprint+1
my girlfriend about to join my Sprint plan
with her joining I'll change plans to make it 5 lines 1500 plan 130+60 - 25% discount = 142.5 / 5 = 28.5 before tax...
total per line after tax is roughly $33 with what's basically unlimited calling (we don't call land line much anyway!) and Unlimited Text and Data on all lines...
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said by outtherenost:As much as it is possible to like a big corporation I have to hand it to Sprint. For (2) smart phones on a 1500min Family Everything Plan with all the perks, insurance on my Pre, and my wifes 20% Target employee discount my monthly bill is $115.00 & change. Unless you do not/cannot get a Sprint signal where you need it I don't see how anyone could choose anything else, the pricing difference is night and day. You have no idea how much cheaper wireless service is in the rest of the world. It`s kind of funny how people in America think they`re getting a `good deal` in one way or another. | |
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Re: Keep it up Sprintquote: said by sonicmerlin It`s kind of funny how people in America think they`re getting a `good deal` in one way or another.
No it's not. | |
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jsuboh
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2010-Jan-20 5:28 pm
Don't Forget all the Hidden FeesAT&T Wireless Bill
Unlimited Wireless Voice Plan $69.99 Unlimited IM Plan $20.00 Unlimited Data Plan $30.00 Total $119.99
New Price Recovery Fee $30.00 Regulatory Cost Recovery Fee $5.00
Actual Cost to Consumer $154.99
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Re: Don't Forget all the Hidden Feessaid by jsuboh:AT&T Wireless Bill Unlimited Wireless Voice Plan $69.99 Unlimited IM Plan $20.00 Unlimited Data Plan $30.00 Total $119.99 New Price Recovery Fee $30.00 Regulatory Cost Recovery Fee $5.00 Actual Cost to Consumer $154.99 There you go - you end up paying more for the new plan. you forgot the spanish american war tax. | |
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dvd536
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2010-Jan-20 8:27 pm
did anyone notice?When VZW dropped quote from "$99.99 to $69.99/mo" that $69.99 tier doesn't include unlimited pix, txt and data[ok, 5gb/mo] that the other tier has! | |
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stop the scamsif customers would just stop getting scammed into 2 year contracts and go prepaid with BASIC talk/text/web phones w/ unlimited usage and THEN buy a netbook with wifi for all the rest of their needs.. customers would save MILLIONS each year, but they are indeed stupid, gullable, and $BUY$ into the marketing hype that is the at&t's Apple Iphone, Verizon google Android, and Tmobile Clones... | |
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