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Karl, you might want to read thisKarl, check this out The Dolans response which basicaly says pissoff FCC
www.tvpredictions.com/fcc012010.htm
Update: Cablevision released the following statement this afternoon:
"While we find the legal basis for the decision unfounded, we are pleased that the FCC recognized the value of Cablevisions local programming strategy and investments. Verizon and AT&T will not receive an FCC bailout that will allow them to capture News 12, MSG Varsity and other programming that we have developed for our customers. We are also pleased that despite the phone companies' overwhelming lobbying effort, the FCC has ensured a complaint process. If the phone companies complain that they are unable to compete, we are confident that we can prove that it is for a variety of reasons, none of which have to do with HD sports programming. Verizon and AT&T do not need a regulatory bailout in order to compete." | |
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Re: Karl, you might want to read thisI think this is far from over. The FCC has proven time and again that they are toothless tigers.
And Cablevision loves nothing better than a fight. | |
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Re: Karl, you might want to read thissaid by fifty nine:I think this is far from over. The FCC has proven time and again that they are toothless tigers. And Cablevision loves nothing better than a fight. Didn't hear from Comcast yet on this. But they withhold Philly basketball, baseball, & hockey from DirecTV and Dish. I suspect we will see a huge delay action by cable at the FCC as complaints are lodged. And then off to the Federal District Court in DC where the FCC will likely lose once again. | |
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Re: Karl, you might want to read thisI suspect you are correct. | |
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said by FFH5:said by fifty nine:I think this is far from over. The FCC has proven time and again that they are toothless tigers. And Cablevision loves nothing better than a fight. Didn't hear from Comcast yet on this. But they withhold Philly basketball, baseball, & hockey from DirecTV and Dish. I suspect we will see a huge delay action by cable at the FCC as complaints are lodged. And then off to the Federal District Court in DC where the FCC will likely lose once again. But comcast also wants the NBC / cocmast deal to pass and playing hard ball may kill it or force then offer it even if this fcc rule dies. The question is how bad do they want the deal to pass? | |
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2010-Jan-20 6:05 pm
Re: Karl, you might want to read thissaid by Joe12345678:said by FFH5:said by fifty nine:I think this is far from over. The FCC has proven time and again that they are toothless tigers. And Cablevision loves nothing better than a fight. Didn't hear from Comcast yet on this. But they withhold Philly basketball, baseball, & hockey from DirecTV and Dish. I suspect we will see a huge delay action by cable at the FCC as complaints are lodged. And then off to the Federal District Court in DC where the FCC will likely lose once again. But comcast also wants the NBC / cocmast deal to pass and playing hard ball may kill it or force then offer it even if this fcc rule dies. The question is how bad do they want the deal to pass? Good point. Politics may make them negotiate a deal. | |
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What about DRM and such, wouldn't a law forcing sharing affect DRM, and the RIAA rules about sharing media ? I would think this would be a collision of rules. You have total rights to your media, but now you have to share ????? | |
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Appeals???Hi, I guess another year if there is an appeal pocess. Thank god the Knicks suck. I would like to see the Devils in HD | |
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Re: Appeals???You can see the Devils in HD. Subscribe to Cable. | |
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Re: Appeals???Again CORRECT ! Not on Fios CV yes. Comcast, TW , Sorry they do not compete head to head Only Fios ATT and DTV and maybe Dish Lee | |
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2010-Jan-20 4:32 pm
ExpropriationGiven that the Supreme Court legalized the forcible transfer of private property from one private entity to another through the misguided Kelo decision, I see that this ruling might actually have a chance of being upheld once it gets to the Supreme Court. | |
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2010-Jan-20 4:37 pm
no sunday ticket no dealif satelites want theese they should give up nfl sunday ticket xclusive rights | |
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2010-Jan-20 4:40 pm
Re: no sunday ticket no dealsaid by ajwees41:if satelites want theese they should give up nfl sunday ticket xclusive rights I agree. What is good for the goose, should be good for the gander as well. | |
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Re: no sunday ticket no dealOf course the FCC has never applied the rules equally when comes to cable and satellite companies. Take the CableCARD mandate for example. | |
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said by FFH5:I agree. What is good for the goose, should be good for the gander as well. Agreed. These "Exclusive" agreements shaft everyone.... 1) The fans who can't get it period and 2) The fans who have to pay mega $$$$ to cover the subscription price because their provider paid zillions to get exclusive rights. Better it be open to everyone, and then it will be accessible by all and a lot more affordable! | |
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Re: no sunday ticket no dealsaid by KrK: 2) The fans who have to pay mega $$$$ to cover the subscription price because their provider paid zillions to get exclusive rights. Better it be open to everyone, and then it will be accessible by all and a lot more affordable! YEah... like screw the evil cable and satellite companies. Make a PROFIT? I mean, like...what were they thinking? | |
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2010-Jan-21 12:55 am
Re: no sunday ticket no dealTalk about missing the point.
DirecTV in their zest to be the only NFL ticket provider, will pay any price--- outbid everyone else-- to get the exclusive rights. (Over 700 million a year!)
So they over pay massively... and it doesn't matter, because then they turn around and jack up the sub price to cover their insane bid!
Ask yourself, if you wanted to make money, which would YOU prefer:
2.5 million subscribers, all paying $300 for Sunday Ticket, or 25 million subscribers all paying $50 for Sunday Ticket?
Better it be available on all cable Satellite and IPTV, Fiber, etc systems. Better for everyone, except maybe DirecTV. | |
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Re: no sunday ticket no dealsaid by KrK:Talk about missing the point. DirecTV in their zest to be the only NFL ticket provider, will pay any price--- outbid everyone else-- to get the exclusive rights. (Over 700 million a year!) So they over pay massively... and it doesn't matter, because then they turn around and jack up the sub price to cover their insane bid! And this is the Government's concern because? Nobody's putting a gun to your head and saying you have to have DirecTV, Dish or even a TV set. Ask yourself, if you wanted to make money, which would YOU prefer:
2.5 million subscribers, all paying $300 for Sunday Ticket, or 25 million subscribers all paying $50 for Sunday Ticket?
Better it be available on all cable Satellite and IPTV, Fiber, etc systems. Better for everyone, except maybe DirecTV. The Government shouldn't be in the business of making sure that businesses survive or fail. If they make a dumb move, let them fail! That's how capitalism works. It shouldn't be up to some bureaucrat, let the market work. | |
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2010-Jan-21 1:03 pm
Re: no sunday ticket no dealuntil there are three cable providers in my neighborhood, it is my concern. | |
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It's because of the Government that this type of "business" occurs at all. | |
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said by ajwees41:if satelites want theese they should give up nfl sunday ticket xclusive rights How about the cable companies under InDemand outbid Directv for it when it comes up for renewal. They failed to do so in the past, yet people on this forum continue to use the NFLST as an example for what cable has been doing with RSNs as an analogy. A bad one at that. | |
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2010-Jan-20 5:15 pm
Re: no sunday ticket no dealsaid by UofMiamiGrad:said by ajwees41:if satelites want theese they should give up nfl sunday ticket xclusive rights How about the cable companies under InDemand outbid Directv for it when it comes up for renewal. They failed to do so in the past, yet people on this forum continue to use the NFLST as an example for what cable has been doing with RSNs as an analogy. A bad one at that. the rsn's are avalable to satelite customers with certain packages. | |
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said by UofMiamiGrad:said by ajwees41:if satelites want theese they should give up nfl sunday ticket xclusive rights How about the cable companies under InDemand outbid Directv for it when it comes up for renewal. They failed to do so in the past, yet people on this forum continue to use the NFLST as an example for what cable has been doing with RSNs as an analogy. A bad one at that. InDemand can only do 2 HD channels at ones and not all systems even have 1 InDemand HD channel. also some system don't even have the room for NHL CI , MLB over lap. and do want NFL ST in SD at 15:1 QAM? | |
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said by UofMiamiGrad:said by ajwees41:if satelites want theese they should give up nfl sunday ticket xclusive rights How about the cable companies under InDemand outbid Directv for it when it comes up for renewal. They failed to do so in the past, yet people on this forum continue to use the NFLST as an example for what cable has been doing with RSNs as an analogy. A bad one at that. The NFL still will want for people who can't get cable / there cable co does not have Indemand to be able to get it? also the NFL wants all the games in HD and IDdemand will have a hard time doing that. | |
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Different Animal. CV Refused to negotiate DTV Won the rights via $$$ for exclusive rights. Lee | |
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said by ajwees41:if satelites want theese they should give up nfl sunday ticket xclusive rights Why? The NFL is not owned by DirecTV, so there are competitive forces that come into play for the programming (e.g. bidding). The terrestrial loophole eliminates competitive pressures BY DESIGN. The Philadelphia Flyers, for example, are owned by Comcast. So their exclusive programming rights would continue to be awarded to Comcast FOREVER with the loophole in place. The NFL, on the other hand, will do what is best for its bottom line when it comes to programming (including Sunday Ticket), and that means providing its programming to the highest bidder(s). | |
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Re: no sunday ticket no dealCorrect.. That wasn't by design. However if your a Flyers fan and not on Comcast you are screwed. If your a Rangers Fan, Devils Knicks you are screwed unless you subscribe to CV. As for NFL you can watch your area team OTA or on any service. NFL has a contract with DTV (High bidder) to watch other out of market teams. You can watch SD but the BS Terrestrial loophole circumvented that. NO SOUP or HD FOR YOU! Bottom line if you bitch enough.. ie I wrote a letter to the FCC about this. They listen. BTW I am sure it was the lobbyists and not me that got it done. Lee | |
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said by ajwees41:if satelites want theese they should give up nfl sunday ticket xclusive rights Totally unrelated! Sunday Ticket is not owned by DirecTV. It was purchased by DirecTV from the NFL as the highest bidder. It also does nothing to take away from your LOCAL programming. This ruling relates only to local "must have" programming owned by cable systems that refuse to sell to competitors. If you have a beef with Sunday Ticket, take it up with the NFL. | |
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Re: no sunday ticket no dealThx Rob.. Here is a quote that may help the ones that are having difficultly grasping the issue.
"Cohen's of course conflating Sunday Ticket with regional sports programming. Locals in Philly have no way of seeing many local sports games unless they sign up with Comcast. Local NFL fans still get to see their teams play on national networks if they don't subscribe to the Sunday Ticket out of market package. While many cable users hate DirecTV's exclusive deal with the NFL, and it is the bane of NFL fans and cable execs everywhere, the scenarios are different. Apparently Comcast's hoping that if they lose an FCC appeal, they can at least gain access to DirecTV's cash cow via conflation, but that seems unlikely. | |
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Re: no sunday ticket no dealsaid by HarleyYac:. Apparently Comcast's hoping that if they lose an FCC appeal, they can at least gain access to DirecTV's cash cow via conflation, but that seems unlikely. Worth noting there is that the only reason it's a cash cow is because it's an exclusive. And if I had to guess, I'd say it's actually a money loser on the surface. What it does, though, is keep subscribers from leaving because it's so important to them. In short, it's a loss leader. If it weren't an exclusive, it wouldn't be worth anywhere near as much to anyone. DTV would likely lose hundreds of thousands of subscribers without it. | |
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Re: no sunday ticket no deal I can not imagine at least this point in time a battle for "NFL Sunday ticket" even if the agreement ended today. I wonder what the cost of the agreement was. Surely they all have the money to bid. I would not pay for it, it FIOS had it Lee | |
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Re: no sunday ticket no dealDTV pays somewhere between $700 and $800 million a year. The most unique aspect of this contract is that unlike all other programming contracts this is a fixed cost whereas the rest of them are per subscriber. | |
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said by ajwees41:if satelites want theese they should give up nfl sunday ticket xclusive rights I read somewhere in the internet a more proper analogy for the Sunday Ticket. Sunday ticket is like the rights to the Summer and Winter Olympic games. NBC outbid Fox and ESPN and got the exclusive rights to Summer and Winter Olympic games. NFL Sunday Ticket, like the Olympic games rights, were out for bids, it just so happen that Directv outbid cable. Now, one could argue that, say, Knicks put their rights up for sale to everyone and, say, Cablevision + TWC + Comcast outbid the satellite cos and Telecoms and got the rights. But that's not the case right now, the case right now is the owner of MSG and MSG+, who currently owns the rights to Knicks games, is withholding MSG and MSG+ in HD its competitors. The analogy here would be, going forward, Comcast withholding NBC from teleco and satellite. | |
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2010-Jan-20 5:06 pm
Turn about would be fair playThe TelcoTV companies should get exclusive rights and then let the the other parties cry in their beer.
The sports leagues need to be careful they could lose the support of the cities they are located in if the kids do not grow up watching and supporting a team because they do not get service from a TV service. | |
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2010-Jan-20 5:27 pm
FCC brings this upon itselfBy banning cable operators from too much horizontal expansion (like we saw with Comcast hitting their ownership limit) these operators then vertically integrate to expand. But then they get beat on by regulators when they don't offer their content to competitors.
VZ and AT&T are rolling in $$$$. There is nothing stopping Verizon from creating a Verizon Sports Net and regional sport networks and bidding against CV or Comcast or DirecTV or anyone else for sports broadcast contracts. I'm sure sports leagues would love to see such a bidding war. | |
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Whats good for the goose. . .So when can I get NFL sunday ticket on cable? same thing pretty much. | |
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Re: Whats good for the goose. . .said by dvd536:So when can I get NFL sunday ticket on cable? same thing pretty much. It's different because it's in-market vs out-of-market. If you lived in Philadelphia and you were a Flyers fan, the only way you could watch your local team is if you subscribed to Comcast. Considering these teams are supported in some capacity by public funding (ie, publicly funded stadiums / operating tax breaks) it is exceedingly lame to not be able to see your local team unless you subscribe to one specific service. The out-of-market sports packages packages are a bit different in that there is no natural way to get that programming when you live outside of the broadcast area. In the case of the Sunday Ticket package, it's the NFL that wants the Sunday Ticket package to be limited so that most people will watch their local team, thus increasing the value of advertising time for local ads. | |
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I'm sure the FCC will fold again but it'sTime to pry these companies apart with a crowbar. End user providers should not have their fingers in the content pie. | |
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ala carteStill waiting for the ala carte programing the the FCC promised. I have DTV and dont need 40% of the channels they provide. Dont need 20 channels of religous programing, and various other "filler" channels. Maybe this will finally make cable/sat more affordable. | |
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terrestrial loopholeAs a Philadelphia Sports fan I cannot watch Phillies Baseball on my provider of choice Directv. Yet, my tax dollars helped build the building they play in and support tax breaks for the team. Comcast programming must be really bad for them to be so worried that they will lose so many subs if the satellite providers can broadcast the games. Time to free the Philadelphia sports fans. | |
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Oh Boo-hooall the whiners need to stfu seriously if you don't have msg then go get CV if not go get the pass from nba.com
1) Cablevision owns the knicks 2) Cablevision owns Madison Square Garden 3) Cablevision owns MSG & MSG HD and other channels
who says they have to share anything with anyone else ?
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