 Network Guy Premium Member join:2000-08-25 New York kudos:3 ·T-Mobile US
·Google Voice
·Verizon FiOS
|
Stupid people will continue catering this carrier wet dreamWhen people stop justifying the need for YouTube, Facebook and text messaging and begin to realize current pricing structure is ridiculous and react accordingly with their wallets, it is when carriers will stop thinking of themselves as the victims of an alleged outdated or inadequate business model.
And it's not like there's a lack of options out there. MetroPCS is now offering 3G web, phone and text for $40 per month. THAT is a deal. | |
|
 |  | |
Re: Stupid people will continue catering this carrier wet dreamsaid by Network Guy:When people stop justifying the need for YouTube, Facebook and text messaging and begin to realize current pricing structure is ridiculous and react accordingly with their wallets, it is when carriers will stop thinking of themselves as the victims of an alleged outdated or inadequate business model. And it's not like there's a lack of options out there. MetroPCS is now offering 3G web, phone and text for $40 per month. THAT is a deal. Yep the ISP/Carriers looked at Australia and saw. Hey a pricing scheme like that for us would make us far more money. Which is understandable for australia. Not even slightly understandable for north america. | |
|
 |  | |
to Network Guy
said by Network Guy:When people stop justifying the need for YouTube, Facebook and text messaging and begin to realize current pricing structure is ridiculous and react accordingly with their wallets So we are now blaming youtube/facebook users for this? | |
|
 |  |  Network Guy Premium Member join:2000-08-25 New York kudos:3 1 edit |
Re: Stupid people will continue catering this carrier wet dreamThe ones willing to pay at least $30 per month in addition to their voice plan just so they can do YouTube/facebook, yes. | |
|
 |  |  |  | |
Re: Stupid people will continue catering this carrier wet dreamsaid by Network Guy:The ones willing to pay at least $30 per month in addition to their voice plan just so they can do YouTube/facebook, yes. What about those who use those plans but download all sorts of movies or large files? I mean, if we are going to place blame on certain groups..... | |
|
 |  |  |  |  Network Guy Premium Member join:2000-08-25 New York kudos:3 ·T-Mobile US
·Google Voice
·Verizon FiOS
|
Re: Stupid people will continue catering this carrier wet dreamThen a carrier should define what "heavy" or "excessive" usage means and bill accordingly.
Sprint does it pretty fair IMO these days. A-la-carte 3G access at $15 extra up to 5 GB per month, then throttled web access for the rest of the month. Same cap is in place for all-inclusive phone/text/web plans, and network access devices with data-only plans except 4G. | |
|
 |  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little Guy Premium Member join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK Netgear WNDR3700v2 Zoom 5341J
|
to Network Guy
Funny how nobody even talked about this issue until all major parties got into IPTV and selling video services to consumers.
Then suddenly, overnight, caps, metered billing etc appeared on the scene being sold as "inevitable". Gotta stop that third party Internet competition! | |
|
 |  | |
to Network Guy
Sweet! I can just vote with my wallet! ....so I can just take my iPhone and go where exactly? | |
|
 |  |  Network Guy Premium Member join:2000-08-25 New York kudos:3 |
Re: Stupid people will continue catering this carrier wet dreamWhere you were before.. with a different phone. Or file a lawsuit with Apple for pain and suffering from having to deal with AT&T and force him to break that exclusivity deal. | |
|
 |  KearnstdSpace Elf Premium Member join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ kudos:2 |
to Network Guy
Corporations and the stupid models of IP rights are holding the true IP era back. take TV shows for example, there is no logical reason that shows couldnt be streamed as well as shown on TV at the same time other then some stupid rights bullshit and ad dollars(though the stream could just have the same ads as the broadcast since most of it is network fed anyway). | |
|
 | |
ScottM8
Anon
2010-Feb-9 10:02 am
Welcome back to 1990AOL will now begin making a resurgence when they announce that they are moving from an hourly billing model to all you can eat for $24.95 | |
|
 |  SnakeoilIgnore Button. The coward's feature. Premium Member join:2000-08-05 Mentor, OH kudos:2 |
Snakeoil
Premium Member
2010-Feb-9 11:12 am
Re: Welcome back to 1990so true lol.. I remember back in the early 90's paying over 100 bucks a month for dail up to AOL. Then a local company started and gave you all you could eat at 20 bucks a month. Needless to say AOL went away. | |
|
 33358088 Premium Member join:2008-09-23 kudos:2 |
33358088
Premium Member
2010-Feb-9 10:40 am
if everyone tha hated thissent me a dollar i could prolly start my own isp and if you did this for a year as in 24$ id prolly have half canada covered. THEN the next year all canada and part of the usa and so on FULL UNLIMITED no bothers you do it your responsible see how easy that is mister govt
if you break law YOU GOTO prison what they are really saying is the feds are no good at catching anyone so we should disband them
waves at csis | |
|
 |  | |
Re: if everyone tha hated thisExcept chronoss. You cant buy wireless frequencies. Without that... you cant operate.
Wireless is funny because the spectrum is practically unused; but it's owned by the big 3(WIND coming to an area near you soon)
The spectrum is essentially the barrier to enter the market. The barrier is gigantic and doesnt let anyone in. | |
|
 |  Network Guy Premium Member join:2000-08-25 New York kudos:3 |
to 33358088
You forgot the part where the incumbents will sue you for providing yourself service even if they don't want to provide you service themselves.
At least one county won their case over this sort of stupidity. | |
|
 El QuintronWe must pray to be eaten first. Premium Member join:2008-04-28 Momtario kudos:4 |
Metered Billing isn't the real issueAssuming there was such a thing as a true metered billing model so access + $/gig or even a regulated per gig rate based on actual transit costs this wouldn't even generate complaints.
But what big media companies really seem want is current pricing + usurious overage charges and in order to offset the death of television, and other media revenues. | |
|
 |  Sammer join:2005-12-22 Canonsburg, PA |
Sammer
Member
2010-Feb-9 11:03 am
Re: Metered Billing isn't the real issueYour right, absolutely no ISP wants to charge grandma less than $10/month and their true cost per megabyte. If our corporate overlords get their high monthly base charge plus ripoff overage charges it's time for American consumers to stage a second Revolutionary War to get rid of such tyranny. | |
|
 huntml join:2002-01-23 Mullica Hill, NJ |
huntml
Member
2010-Feb-9 10:44 am
FierceWireless is a good read......if you want to see where the industry's PR and FUD campaigns are. As a source of real reasoned analysis of what's going on in the industry, though, it's pretty much a waste of time. | |
|
 | |
Cost of ServiceLets look at some costs of service.
911/emergency costs: Well my old unactivated phone has service. For FREE. Except if you're a customer... it costs you $2 every month. Activation costs: For the right to become your customer... I have to pay. There is no associated costs to the carrier. Yet they charge up to like $100. Phonecall costs: GSM codec(if i remember correctly) essentially runs about 64kbit; or 8KB/s or just slightly above dial up 56k speeds. So 1 minute is equivalent of 480KB. Pricing for phonecalls is roughly around 25cents per minute. So roughly you pay 50 cents per megabyte. Text costs: A text/sms message is the equivalent of 250bytes of data. It literally costs a carrier nothing to send them. Yet they charge roughly 20 cents per text msg. This is the equivalent of $1,000 per megabyte. Data costs: 1 Gigabyte is generally 40$/roughly 4 cents per megabyte. The overages are 5 cents or so per megabyte.
Now the reality of what it costs to serve up that Gigabyte; 5 cents is pretty much the highest expense per gigabyte. Their pricing literally is 1000x more expensive then it really is. The cost regardless of the application or whatever; doesnt change. A packet is a packet. Charging insane amounts of money on text msgs doesnt mean that somehow it costs them more to send them. It's also not like there's some sort of person's wages involved in it neither.
Hell I'll be first to say should someone be paying $30/month and be able to download 1.5 terabytes in that month? Hell no. It costs the carrier 75$ to transfer that 1.5 terabytes; but how about 200 gigs/month? For the carrier to transfer 200 gigs in the month. It costs them 10$ to transfer that data. Well within the costs for service of $30; also healthy profit. | |
|
 |  | |
Re: Cost of Servicesaid by munky99999:Lets look at some costs of service. 911/emergency costs: Well my old unactivated phone has service. For FREE. Except if you're a customer... it costs you $2 every month. 911 service is like ER costs. You can't refuse service to people even though they can't pay because federal law says you (the company) have to provide it. Most people who call 911 have cell phone plans anyway and pay the 911 tax. | |
|
 |  | |
to munky99999
You do make a great point in all areas..
I would laugh at how a person could get 1.5TB via a 3G connection though, especially in one months time!
As a whole though, these prices are fairly outragious and cannot be justified beyond a little more profit. | |
|
 |  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they come Premium Member join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ kudos:4 |
to munky99999
A sms message is 160 chars MAX and don't forget it runs over what they need anyway to provide voice service and then theres the double dipping issue. SMS is the cell providers CASH COW! | |
|
 deadzoned Premium Member join:2005-04-13 Cypress, TX |
The realityAll this metered broadband talk only seems to highlight the sorry state of Broadband and Wireless in our country.
We should be doing better in this area as a country.
If we had robust broadband and wireless infrastructure then it would be much harder for the mouthpieces to complain about the bogus "Bandwidth Apocalypse".
It's sad because it's true. | |
|
 bbrlogueLearning New Things Daily Premium Member join:2003-12-07 Alexandria, VA |
bbrlogue
Premium Member
2010-Feb-10 10:26 am
Prepaid Unlimited Data for $10 and upThis is contrary to a trend in the prepaid arena: unlimited talk, text and data for about $50 to $60 (there is also $10 unlimited data a month with pay go minutes). My worry is with those users who abuse these kinds of good deal, which could force the main provider to tell the MVNO to pull out the plug on unlimited data. | |
|
 |
|