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Only Good For A LaughUntil idiots like these present real evidence that Wi-fi and other wireless solutions actually inflict harm, besides what'd being done to turn these people into baseless spewing idiots, all the arguments are good for is a laugh. I needed one to start my day.
Will someone on these ruling counsels please wake up and stop letting these fringe idiots screw with things that help the rest of the people living among these groups?
They need to make a ruling about these idiots and get them psychiatric help instead. Psychosomatic indeed. | |
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Re: Only Good For A LaughThe problem is that those idiots, and idiots like them, are quickly becoming the majority. Those of us with a brain aren't pumping out 6+ kids like they are, so its only a matter of time before they take over. | |
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Re: Only Good For A Laughsaid by Camelot One:The problem is that those idiots, and idiots like them, are quickly becoming the majority. Those of us with a brain aren't pumping out 6+ kids like they are, so its only a matter of time before they take over. The movie "Idiocracy" springs to mind.... | |
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Re: Only Good For A LaughBuy brondo its what plants crave | |
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Re: Only Good For A LaughIt's Got Electrolytes! | |
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Re: Only Good For A LaughYou want to give plants water? Like from the toilets??
That movie scared me more than People Under the Stairs when I was 8.
Not a day goes by where I don't see a real-life example of us slipping further into that MOUNTAIN DEW!!! sad reality. | |
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said by Camelot One:The problem is that those idiots, and idiots like them, are quickly becoming the majority. And they seem to grow them in California faster than any other place in the US. | |
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LOL, the dumb shall inherit the earth. Sorry a good health care system ends up with breeding pairs that should have died. Same p[problem in Africa, make them healthy and they multiply. End result is they starve again or fight to the death over resources. | |
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said by Camelot One:The problem is that those idiots, and idiots like them, are quickly becoming the majority. Those of us with a brain aren't pumping out 6+ kids like they are, so its only a matter of time before they take over. couldnt have said it better | |
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someone could find a way to make faraday cage clothing (they could sell to these people and make a good amount) | |
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2010-Mar-16 1:50 pm
Re: Only Good For A LaughYou don't even need a real Faraday cage built into your clothes. I think a placebo Faraday cage would work just as well. "Why yes, this shirt is Faraday 2.0 compliant. The Faraday threads are so small, you can't even see them. Go ahead and take a close look. See any? No? See? Really tiny. All the better to block the tiny electromagnetic waves." | |
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Re: Only Good For A LaughYou'd just have to watch out for if someone tried to test the cloths | |
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Re: Only Good For A LaughWhy? Idiot scammers like RF Safe and BioPro / BioLife (the big scam here in Kalispell, MT now) never prove their products do anything and people still buy them... | |
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Re: Only Good For A LaughDon't you live near Steve Quayle who hawks all kinds of this kind of shit on his site? | |
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Re: Only Good For A LaughI just looked him up, he's in Bozeman. That's a LONG ways from me - Montana is a big state. Even he isn't pushing stuff as stupid as cell phone radiation "protection" as far as I could tell - he's pushing things like potassium iodide pills (that you'd take after a nuclear bombing to lower the risk of radiation damage to your thyroid) and filters and masks and stuff for a chemical/biological attack... you know things that COULD be real risks in the horribly unlikely event World War III started... | |
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Re: Only Good For A Laughsaid by meowmeow:things that COULD be real risks in the horribly unlikely event World War III started... Heh, believe me, WW3 will be the shortest conflict in the history of the earth, followed by world peace until some other species becomes sentient. Blood, Blister and Nerve agents, Nuclear warheads... all the iodine and gas masks in the world won't save you from those. | |
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oh, you mean like a "quantum pendant" ? below from the website (no, im not just making this up): Every Quantum Pendant has the following values:
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It's embarrsing having this be how people think of my area, my county, local ISP, and local paper are all mentioned here. And it does not make me proud of where I live at the moment. | |
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there to many fools in this country. | |
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These are a major INVASION OF PRIVACY!!!!!
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Harm, yes or no.We dont know if frequencies harm humans yet. There has not been a long enough study to determine this yet. I hear frequencies that apparently you cant hear, as with many others as well.
If a frequency causes cancer... Then the chances must be very remote and I for one would not give a dam.
Put your head between two giant magnets for a couple hours, I would say you most likely would walk away with a head ache.
This debate seems really funny to me, yes something could be bad. Lets study it first. But this would be a like a 100 year plus study. As you would need two people to fully live their lives. One not touched by frequencies(hermit) and one intagrated with every device known to man. Then see the outcome. | |
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Re: Harm, yes or no.Well.... Wi-Fi runs on common 2.4 and 5 Ghz so if thats the case get rid of all cordless phones.
Oh while you are at it radio/tv stations run on microwaves and frequencies get rif of them and lets all go back to horse/buggies and the telegraph.
point given that theres many things in life killing us. why bother about it now.... especially how long has it been since the birth of radio waves of any kind? | |
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Re: Harm, yes or no.That's a really dumba$$ remark. The transmission power of a cordless phone is much lower than many other transmittive devices. Why must people feel the need to comment on something they know so little about? | |
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Re: Harm, yes or no.said by ackman:That's a really dumba$$ remark. The transmission power of a cordless phone is much lower than many other transmittive devices. But, those "transmittive devices" aren't stuck 1" from your brain for hours constantly radiating the whole time. A smart electric meter only transmits when polled. PG&E should just pull Sebastapool off the grid and let them live in dark, quite peace. I am sure there are some Amish that can school them on true low-tech living. Then the Electromagnetic Field Safety Network can explain why nothing has changed, health-wise. | |
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Re: Harm, yes or no.What PG&E will do is install their meters anyway. The City and those 12 people aren't going to get their way that easy with a company of that size. | |
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Re: Harm, yes or no.This is in California, north of San Francisco. You have no way of predicting the outcome. | |
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Re: Harm, yes or no.I know where It is at. My brother is a lineman for PG&E.
PG&E doesn't care about a handful of people. They'll do as they please and the world will move on. | |
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Re: Harm, yes or no.You obviously don't know northern California. | |
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Their belief that it's harmful is what makes it harmful, hence the "psychosomatic" label... perception becomes reality--in the mind, then the body. | |
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Re: Harm, yes or no.and medication/treatment is around the corner... but its not "natural" | |
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said by djhexer:Well.... Wi-Fi runs on common 2.4 and 5 Ghz so if thats the case get rid of all cordless phones. Oh while you are at it radio/tv stations run on microwaves and frequencies get rif of them and lets all go back to horse/buggies and the telegraph. point given that theres many things in life killing us. why bother about it now.... especially how long has it been since the birth of radio waves of any kind? ... said by ackman:That's a really dumba$$ remark. The transmission power of a cordless phone is much lower than many other transmittive devices. Why must people feel the need to comment on something they know so little about? sar·casm [sahr-kaz-uhm] noun1. harsh or bitter derision or irony. 2. a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark: a review full of sarcasms. (or, maybe it's just me?) | |
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Wow - you really need to read a physics textbook before making nonsensical posts like that. | |
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said by cpsycho:We dont know if frequencies harm humans yet. There has not been a long enough study to determine this yet. I hear frequencies that apparently you cant hear, as with many others as well. um yeah we do....science has proved over and over and over again what does and does not interact at a cellular level. People are exposed to more dangerous cosmic radiation daily than any cell phone or home wireless device. Bad science is what these and other are reporting its as simple as that. | |
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Re: Harm, yes or no.and you have to have a cell phone up to your head for how many hours again before it even causes any damage? | |
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Radio stations have been on the air for close to 100 years. | |
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Re: Harm, yes or no.And people have been dying for 100 years. Coincidence?
Heavy use of sarcasm tags here. | |
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said by cpsycho:We dont know if frequencies harm humans yet. There has not been a long enough study to determine this yet. I hear frequencies that apparently you cant hear, as with many others as well. yes, we do. » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Io ··· adiation» en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No ··· adiationthere is a reason why x-rays and c-t scans operate in the frequency ranges that they do. there is also a reason why your microwave operates at its frequencies too. If a frequency causes cancer
a sinusoidal carrier of a given frequency can cause cancer if that frequency is in the correct range. however, this frequency is above that of visible light (>10^{14} hz). Put your head between two giant magnets for a couple hours, I would say you most likely would walk away with a head ache.
different forces at work there, especially when you consider the trace amounts of magnetic minerals present in your body at any one time. One not touched by frequencies(hermit) and one intagrated with every device known to man.
thats just not possible. light is a "frequency". electromagnetic transmission of tv, radio, etc are all "frequencies". even if you live in the middle of nowhere, the atmosphere still reflects those frequencies such that they can still "affect" you. the whole proposition is made by people who have no background in physics and refuse to understand the concepts that go in to making their theory complete and utter horsesh!t. stupidity at its finest. q. | |
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said by cpsycho:We dont know if frequencies harm humans yet. There has not been a long enough study to determine this yet. I hear frequencies that apparently you cant hear, as with many others as well. If a frequency causes cancer... Then the chances must be very remote and I for one would not give a dam. Put your head between two giant magnets for a couple hours, I would say you most likely would walk away with a head ache. This debate seems really funny to me, yes something could be bad. Lets study it first. But this would be a like a 100 year plus study. As you would need two people to fully live their lives. One not touched by frequencies(hermit) and one intagrated with every device known to man. Then see the outcome. Actually we do, with 100+ years of test and experiments, along with actual data to back up the claims. That kind of argument is the reason stuff like this persist. If you live in a world where "we don't know anything", then you all you prove is that you "don't want to know anything" I'm afraid. Not to knock you specifically, your view is shared among my friends and family as well and while it doesn't mean that *everyone* is just an idiot, it just means that people need to take the time and effort to educate themselves. You get more radiation from the Sun every day then anything you would get in years of talking on a cell phone 24/7. The power difference between what the Sun bathes us in daily and that of your cell phone is on the order of millions of magnitudes. Plus the Sun spews out all types of radiation, not just that single frequency that the phone is using. Something to think about.... | |
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Re: Harm, yes or no.Better not tell them that. That'll be the next to go.
"What?? The sun spews out radiation?? We must destroy it!!" | |
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Haven't we been born and raised in generations of background electromagnetic radiation enough to conclude the results of such a study?
Seriously, these idiots make it seem like radio waves are a new thing in earth's history. | |
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I was in an MRI for an hour and didn't get no headache. Loud as hell though. | |
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smart meter privacyFinally a good way of stopping smart meters from spying on everything you do. With second by second or minute by minute measuring resolution, the power company and the government will know exactly when you get up, go to sleep, turn on the TV, make coffee, do your laundry, turn on the furnace or AC, etc
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It's About Time That Normal People Have Rights.I guess politicians listen to these crack pots because the politicians need their votes.
We have the same issues here on Long Island NY. Maybe a group of "normal" people should get as organized as the crazy people seem be able to do.
I think the problem is that these whack jobs really believe in their misinformed cause and normal people just get on with their everyday lives. | |
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Re: It's About Time That Normal People Have Rights.I couldn't agree with you more. I don't like seeing a few crazy people change something like this, but I'm not about to parade down to my city council to complain about it either. Crazy people have nothing better to do and normal people actually have normal lives to occupy their time with. | |
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I'm in full agreement. The problem is the vast majority of people don't do anything. The nuts have nothing else to do.
All this community clearly needs is 24 people to fight the 12. That way they can say that only 1/3rd of the people agree with them while 2/3rds do not. Problem solved. | |
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12 people statiscally insignificantAccording to the 2000 census, this city had a population of 7774. Why are 12 people dictating wireless policy there? These people represent 0.68% of the population, yet the other 99.32% allow themselves to be walked on by these loonies. Are these people and politicians that weak and spineless, or just to lazy to put up any resistance?
If you figure in the 10s of thousands of surrounding people that are serviced by this town, the 0.68% becomes much smaller.
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This Might be a Good ThingI've never been a fan of having smart meters use WiFi personally, it seems like a security flaw. Plus each channel can only handle a finite amount of data so it could negatively impact nearby WiFi performance for homes and businesses. As for health effects, that's garbage but the squeaky wheel gets the grease. | |
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Ahahahah.I sleep in a cramped room with 4 computers, a 2.4 GHz wireless router, a 6.0 DECT GE cordless phone, and a slew of other active electronics. I always seem to be in a room with electronics galore, yet I'm still alive and well. Very well. And so is my girlfriend... Oh yes, 2.4 GHz can give you cancer alright. Not even the sun, which radiates towards the Earth on a daily basis cannot match such power. I'll bet at least half of these anti-wireless people have microwave ovens in their homes.. Oh, the irony. | |
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Whats sadThe real shame is that these 12 people have managed to do just this... Just like the American way if even 1/3 of the other 7978 people in that area would show up at that meeting those 12 would most likely have a seat. People are lazy that is the true self inflicted disability. if you can call it that! | |
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Re: Whats sadRemember "all thats needed for evil to win is for good people to do nothing"
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I'd like to propose a test...Take over 10 rooms of a big hotel, far enough apart that they would be out of each other's WiFi range
Persuade the hotel to shut off their own WiFi networks for the duration of the test
In each room place a WiFi access point, with any indicator lights covered over and randomly either switched on or off
In each room have a laptop connected to the AP, with the screen turned off and any indicator lights covered
If the AP is on, have the laptop hammering the WLAN, streaming or downloading. If the AP is off, turn the laptop's WiFi card off
Take each one of the 12 members of the protest group to each room in turn, and ask them whether the access point is on or off
Run the test at least 5 times, one of the runs with all the APs off and one with them all on.
If they can't tell you whether the AP's on or off with at least 75% accuracy (i.e. better than pure guess), they lose the right to whinge about wireless networks and that's the end of it
If they can, there must be something to the sensitivity (which would be really interesting) and more study is needed
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Re: I'd like to propose a test...Exactly... but you would have to strip search the subjects to verify they arent; carrying a wi-fi detector.
I myself have a tee shirt with one built in. | |
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Re: I'd like to propose a test...said by Hambo15:Exactly... but you would have to strip search the subjects to verify they arent; carrying a wi-fi detector. I myself have a tee shirt with one built in. if they have to use a "detector" they are completely making their entire case void. if you are "sensitive" to something you will notice it the second you walk into range(which wireless is insanely large, so they would always be "uncomfortable"), for instance, i walk into a room with a tube TV on and the screen black and power light burnt out, i can usually tell if it's on because it generates a high frequency squeal that i can hear, does it affect my daily life ? hell no. and if these 12 people are able to "always" be complaining about stuff, i wanna know what their current employment looks like, because if they can't be around "wifi" which is just a catch phrase to begin with, which means they can't work in just about ANY workplace considering the prevalence of wireless interfacing to increase productivity. | |
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If they believe what they're spitting out....Take away their wired connectivity, LAN, phone, cable, etc. Wait and see how long it takes them to be begging for wireless services.... | |
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Misspellings AboundKarl, it's spelled 'Sebastopol', not Sebastpol or how it's spelled wrongly in the subtitle and within the article.
If anybody has actually been there, which I have thousands of times, you'll actually see how crazy some people are. | |
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Re: Misspellings AboundI have been there many times myself and true they are a bit crazy in that part of Sonoma County. | |
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Re: Misspellings AboundThey must get some kind of wicked contact high from all the variety of reefer growing there. | |
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I hope a Hospital Visit is Not NeededI sit here in the hospital in the ICU waiting room using the free wifi provided throughout the hospital--even in patients room. If these people get sick and need to come to the hospital, they are in a world of hurt. | |
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Re: I hope a Hospital Visit is Not NeededYou are forgetting one thing, this disorder is purely psychological. If you don't tell them, then they'll think there isn't any EM waves (LOL) around them, thus they'll be fine. It is never a smart idea to upset an idiot or tinfoil hat wearer. | |
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Complete BSI'm not even going to get into the argument about the dangers of wi-fi, since it'd be like trying to argue about physics with a cow, but I do find it awfully curious that these nuts seem to care so much about this issue and seemingly ignore all the things that really are killing us. You want to make a real difference in longevity? Do something about smoking, obesity, traffic deaths, suicide, etc. I think the reason they ignore them is that the real problems I mentioned don't have easy solutions, so these folks would rather focus on something they think they can solve in a few minutes, never mind that they're trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist.
There is not one single shred of evidence that RF energy from wi-fi access points is harmful, just as there is not one shred of evidence that vaccinations cause autism, yet the idiots out there still believe these things. Of course, many people also believe in ghosts, so that may be indicative of the mentality we're dealing with here. | |
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Re: Complete BSOf course vaccinations can cause autism. Vaccinations save lives and dead people can't become autistic. :P | |
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Re: Complete BSWow, never thought of it that way before. | |
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fo real?Seriously. Don't we get more EM and RFI fromt eh sun and other planetary beings than from a few low powered wifi/cellular devices? Get a life | |
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Re: fo real?Hell we get more EM and RFI from a cellphone than you get from a router, even if you had it strapped to your head. What percentage of those nut jobs that protested do you think had one sitting in their purse or pocket?
Like someone else said, give them some wireless blocking paint and let them go to town... in their own personal spaces. | |
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They are all moronslook up the meaning of "moron" that should fit the description of the 12 people that are basing this on no scientific findings which in turn makes the followers idiots... this is society now.. what is this world coming to... | |
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seen it all [except...]What a great post! I agree the issue seems wierd, but also, what if these people are part of a larger issue whereas they are interfering with the process to allow time for a competitor to get in the game or some other ulterior motive? THAT would almost make sense. [either that or none of them can configure WEP and they're ultra paranoid!] | |
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Just 12 people?Hmmm... I wonder how "sensitive" they will be to my wodden baseball bat? | |
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Well...I seem to have a hypersensitivity to Electromagnetically Hypersensitive people. Can I have them all banned to Guam? | |
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